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I am excited to see training camp with this group of young Dmen in competition for spots. The thought if exhibition games with the chance to see Bereglazov, Day, DeAngoelo, Graves and Pionk getting ice time should be fun.
 
Savant said:
Everything I heard on Day is that he got better as the year went on. Isn't that a good thing?
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He did get better and more consistent. His consistency has improved. Apparently he has matured as he has worked through personal issues. He's on the right path. We'll see what he does this year. People love to **** on guys in the off-season before they have a chance to show where they're at in camp.
 
Grigorenko and Burmistrov would be fine options for the 3C role. I prefer Grigorenko because I feel he still has a little room to grow, and he can also swing out to the wing if need be.

As far as Pionk and Graves are concerned, I think Pionk has the edge if only because he brings a highly sought after skill set to the blue line. I still think he can be a Wisniewski sort of player. Not great in his own end, but is fantastic on the PP and has a nice edge to his game. Kid can absolutely rifle the puck as well.
 
Trxjw said:
Grigorenko and Burmistrov would be fine options for the 3C role. I prefer Grigorenko because I feel he still has a little room to grow, and he can also swing out to the wing if need be.

As far as Pionk and Graves are concerned, I think Pionk has the edge if only because he brings a highly sought after skill set to the blue line. I still think he can be a Wisniewski sort of player. Not great in his own end, but is fantastic on the PP and has a nice edge to his game. Kid can absolutely rifle the puck as well.
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I like Burmistrov over Grigorenko because, as I remember it, Burmistrov is a great skater and good defensively. I know less of Grigorenko so maybe I'm wrong.

I'll have to see Pionk in the pro game, but based on what I've read about him I'm inclined to favor him over Graves who I just don't think brings enough to the table. Graves has a big shot and can move guys out of the crease but I worry about his ability to keep up both physically and mentally. I have no problem with defensive-oriented defensemen (guys like Beukeboom and Girardi have been some of my favorite players over the years and I was a McIlrath guy) but the league is going so fast now. If you're going to play a defensive game that's great but you need to be able to keep up. I've never been sold on Grave's ability to do that dating back to his days in Quebec when everyone was getting excited because he was scoring a lot of points.
 
We should trade for Pääjärvi, should be really cheap to acquire. He's got really solid underlying numbers and he's improving every season, underrated player.
 
nyr2k2 said:
I like Burmistrov over Grigorenko because, as I remember it, Burmistrov is a great skater and good defensively. I know less of Grigorenko so maybe I'm wrong.

I'll have to see Pionk in the pro game, but based on what I've read about him I'm inclined to favor him over Graves who I just don't think brings enough to the table. Graves has a big shot and can move guys out of the crease but I worry about his ability to keep up both physically and mentally. I have no problem with defensive-oriented defensemen (guys like Beukeboom and Girardi have been some of my favorite players over the years and I was a McIlrath guy) but the league is going so fast now. If you're going to play a defensive game that's great but you need to be able to keep up. I've never been sold on Grave's ability to do that dating back to his days in Quebec when everyone was getting excited because he was scoring a lot of points.
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I think you're right on with Graves, and you're certainly right about Burmistrov as well. He's better defensively and is a really good skater. My preference would be Grigs purely based on growth potential, but I wouldn't be upset with Burmistrov at all.

I think the likely candidates for the open D spots are DeAngelo and Bereglazov. Beyond that, Pionk, Graves, Pedrie, etc, will all be getting meaningful minutes in Hartford. But I think having that offensive presence on the back-end might earn Pionk a call-up before Graves. He can also play both sides on the blue line, FWIW.

The footwork and agility was always my biggest concern with Graves. He's definitely improving, but there's still work to be done there, IMO.
 
Realistically, I think we see the following.

sign Burmistrov 1 year, $1.5m
sign Weal 1 year, $1.2m
sign Shattenkirk 6 years, $6.25m AAV
trade Holden for picks

Kreider Zibanejad Buchnevich
Nash Hayes Zuccarello
Vesey Burmistrov Miller
Grabner Weal Fast

McDonagh Shattenkirk
Skjei Smith
Staal DeAngelo/Bereglazov

Bear Gloves and DeAngelo play well enough to hopefully put Staal in the press box as the #7 early on.
 
Sign Shatty
Sign Thornton
Sign Boyle

If those centers dont work out, I'd look for one of the free agent vet wingers like Marleau or Sharp and Id take a look at Stephan Da Costa coming back from the KHL
 
Thoughts on Nick Bonino? I know he wont replace all of Stepan's points but hes like a 15g/40pt 2 way center. Better than nothing, that's for sure.
 
I would bet that Gorton is keeping an eye on Edmonton. If they go big on Draisaitl, they might have to move RNH at a discount, but if they balk at Draisaitl's asking price, maybe the Rangers could build a package for him.

I'm not crazy about RNH, but the Rangers had luck with a similar player in Brassard. A former high draft pick who was supposed to have a ton of upside, but wound up in an organization that was in disarray. Maybe a change of scenery could jump start him.
 
Trxjw said:
I would bet that Gorton is keeping an eye on Edmonton. If they go big on Draisaitl, they might have to move RNH at a discount, but if they balk at Draisaitl's asking price, maybe the Rangers could build a package for him.

I'm not crazy about RNH, but the Rangers had luck with a similar player in Brassard. A former high draft pick who was supposed to have a ton of upside, but wound up in an organization that was in disarray. Maybe a change of scenery could jump start him.
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I'd be okay with this as well (depending on price).

Many of the naysayers to such moves are focused on the performances of the players to date. But the point of a diamond in the rough/reclamation player is to find a guy who hasn't blossomed yet. Of course RNH looks like a lesser Stepan. That's why he may be available – if he'd lived up to his draft slot, he'd either be unavailable or would cost a fortune. But if you trade for him, it's not because you're trying to acquire a lesser Stepan; it's because you think you can unlock the talent that made him first overall in the first place...
 
Trxjw said:
I would bet that Gorton is keeping an eye on Edmonton. If they go big on Draisaitl, they might have to move RNH at a discount, but if they balk at Draisaitl's asking price, maybe the Rangers could build a package for him.

I'm not crazy about RNH, but the Rangers had luck with a similar player in Brassard. A former high draft pick who was supposed to have a ton of upside, but wound up in an organization that was in disarray. Maybe a change of scenery could jump start him.
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I'd take RNH on the cheap.
 
jas said:
Someone is going to overpay him out the wazoo.
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You're probably right - but the Rangers need another center one way or another. I wouldn't be against a 2-3 year deal and slightly overpay. Not sure what his market value is though.
 
h0ckeyman said:
You're probably right - but the Rangers need another center one way or another. I wouldn't be against a 2-3 year deal and slightly overpay. Not sure what his market value is though.
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I'd rather see the Rangers take chances with Grigorenko or Burmistrov.
 
Ok. I'll bite. How much would RNH cost the Rangers? Hayes + 2nd? If so I'd do it. Anything more and I think I'll pass due to his cap hit.
 
jas said:
I'd take RNH on the cheap.
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Yes.

Historically he's a PP producer - even in Junior. The half-wall on the right side was his bread and butter.

So what is the problem for his lack of point production? That's McDavid's area. RNH plays on the 2nd PP unit. You can't really argue with the results - the Oilers PP was lethal last year, so it was justified to leave him on the 2nd unit.

The ES totals between Stepan/RNH is quite similar. RNH played mostly with Lucic and Eberle, while Stepan played with Zuccarello and Kreider.

Zucc, Kreid >>> Eberle, Lucic respectively.

RNH isn't the better player, but I think he's way more dynamic for our offense.
 
DrRecchi said:
Yes.

Historically he's a PP producer - even in Junior. The half-wall on the right side was his bread and butter.

So what is the problem for his lack of point production? That's McDavid's area. RNH plays on the 2nd PP unit. You can't really argue with the results - the Oilers PP was lethal last year, so it was justified to leave him on the 2nd unit.

The ES totals between Stepan/RNH is quite similar. RNH played mostly with Lucic and Eberle, while Stepan played with Zuccarello and Kreider.

Zucc, Kreid >>> Eberle, Lucic respectively.

RNH isn't the better player, but I think he's way more dynamic for our offense.
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This ^^^^^
Also, RNHs skating is severely underrated. Sure he looks like he's skating in cement, but he's sorta like Sean Day. It's so smooth he looks slow.
 
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