Speculation: Roster Building Thread DCLXXXVI:

[Stasis]

No idea either. Gave up trying to guess. Free agency will be chaotic. Like I said, we're as close to being a contender with the right moves/additions and performances as being a bubble team on the outside looking in. The pendulum can easily swing in either direction. Right now, barring superb performances/improvements from some guys we're pretty obviously bubble. Especially with our insane division. Unless they have extreme injury issues. Or Hank plays out of his mind. Not banking on either. Not saying it isn't possible. I have to add that part in just in case. So I don't get the "See? Look how right we are!" crowd all riled up again when I dare to doubt.

Hopefully we address some stuff and make a run.

 

[Vitto79]

Kreider x Zuc
Buch, Zib, Nash
Grabner , Hayes , Miller
Vesey, x, fast
Puempel , Jensen

4th line C they can go cheap

It's too 6 C that's hard . I only see Thornton . Don't care for marleau or bonino

On D no other option but Shattenkirk That can play w McD . So just keep what they have if it's not a reasonable contract length

 

[DutchShamrock]

Subtract Lack and his cap hit out and the Hurricanes have 19 players and need to make up about $7.5 mil to hit the floor. They're almost the perfect team to give in to Alexander Radulov's crazy demands. That would about do it for them to reach that goal--and he'd fit as the offensive player they're looking for. Just saying--they're a team that could afford to overpay for him and get a benefit out of it.

It could be Semin all over again. I approve.

 

[Ghost of jas]

Kreider x Zuc
Buch, Zib, Nash
Grabner , Hayes , Miller
Vesey, x, fast
Puempel , Jensen

4th line C they can go cheap

It's too 6 C that's hard . I only see Thornton . Don't care for marleau or bonino

On D no other option but Shattenkirk That can play w McD . So just keep what they have if it's not a reasonable contract length

Zibanejad is going to be the #1 center and Kreider will be his left. Hayes is going to get a chance to be the 2nd line center.

 

[Savant]

Jordon weal as 4c and try maybe a Sam bennett roll as 2/3c
Keider-zib-buch
Vesey-hayes-Nash
Miller-Bennett-mza
Grabner-weal-fast

Puempel/Nieves

Continue that youth movement with low risk high reward young players?

So the Rangers are getting Bennett for free?

 

[Ghost of jas]

I'd definitely take a flier on Grigorenko, with Burmistrov as a 2nd choice. Bonino and Hanzal will be bad contracts.

 

[JohnC]

As each day goes by the thought of 2C Kevin Hayes makes me vomit even more and more

 

[RangerBoy]

As each day goes by the thought of 2C Kevin Hayes makes me vomit even more and more

You should try thinking about something else.

 

[Tawnos]

You should try thinking about something else.

Possibly tacos.

 

[Dijock94]

I'd definitely take a flier on Grigorenko, with Burmistrov as a 2nd choice. Bonino and Hanzal will be bad contracts.

I would do the same honestly. Young guys that still have some potential.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

The UFA market for centers is absolutely atrocious. If we are going to sign a center to play on the 2nd line, Thornton is the best option but I don't want him for more than 1 year. We traded Stepan, people are happy. But now what?

 

[eco's bones]

It could be Semin all over again. I approve.

I was thinking about that too--history repeating itself. But then--Radulov did have a good year and he doesn't strike me so much as the somewhat disinterested Semin.

 

[eco's bones]

On the question of who should the Rangers look at center wise---Stepan was a main guy penalty killing. Zib and Hayes got very little of that. The Rangers could use a center who can PK.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

If Gorton is going to give up assets to acquire 2 years of Duchene, I am going to scratch my eyes out. But with the awful market, I have no clue who we should play on the 2nd line (assuming Zibanejad is the 1C)

 

[RangerBoy]

Thornton has a "multi-year offer" from the Kings. It can't really be "an offer" until Saturday. Wink. You get the point. Rob Blake is a former teammate in San Jose. Glen Murray played with Thornton in Boston. Murray works for the Kings in player development. Thornton and Murray have remained good friends. They talk all the time. The Rangers need to continue moving core players. Girardi. Stepan. Who is next? Gorton tried to acquire #3 from Dallas to select Makar. Larry Brooks had that. Trade for a RHD. Young guy. What will Winnipeg do with Trouba? Gary Lawless had a twitter Q&A before he left for Las Vegas. He thought Winnipeg would approach Trouba about a long term contract extension. If Trouba wasn't interested in signing,they would look at moving him. Pierre LeBrun reported Carolina wants to add a forward but do not want to touch their current D. They are willing to move picks and prospects. They have so many D. Miller to Carolina,Hanifan to Winnipeg and Trouba to the Rangers works for all parties. Edmonton needs a winger. Lucic is their best winger. They saved bucks with Eberle for Strome. Would they move RNH to the Rangers for Zuccarello? 4 years at $6M vs. 2 years at $4.5M. Zuccarello would give them a major upgrade at the wing. They already have the two big centers ahead of RNH. A $6M third line center. RNH isn't the perfect player. He is 24. If the Rangers can land someone like Trouba,trade McDonagh. Skjei. Trouba. Smith. Holden. The Rangers can fill out the rest of the D with young players. Push hard to trade Staal. Take back bad contracts. The Rangers have the space. If Staal does not want to waive,then the Rangers leak it to Bob McKenzie and everyone will know the Rangers want Staal off the team. Not a pleasant feeling.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Oh boy. I can't wait to see this place when we get RNH. A poor man's Stepan and everyone will hate him because "he is slow, doesn't score a lot of goals and is overpaid"

 

[eco's bones]

People are talking all about Pionk opening up on the team, but Graves is a better player.

Gorton already has disregarded LH-RH, he's gotten rid of our only two RHD's from last season, only brought in one, and brought in another lefty, so he evidently does not care about LH-RH, therefore considering who is the better player and disregarding how they shoot, its Graves.

I think both could be trade bait, as we have so many young defensemen now, but Graves should be the first of the two to the NHL.

Gordie Clark was talking about Pionk making the team too--that was yesterday--as in not to count him out. He's competitive, a puck mover, right handed and he has a heavy shot.

Klein retires? The Rangers could move Holden. Maybe even Staal.

I don't put Graves ahead of Pionk or the other way around--the same goes for Bereglazov. OTOH I don't think Day will be ready yet--but of Graves, Pionk and Bereglazov they're all going in to training camp even and I think at least one will make the team and that choice will emerge during training camp. I don't have a favorite here. Who plays best gets the job.

 

[NYR Viper]

Burmistrov as one of the open center spots would be a real nice low cost addition. Bit of a reclamation project

 

[RGY]

ill believe it when i see it that the rangers will move more core pieces.

Also will remain patient until something is official with Thornton.

I want no part of Bonino or RNH. I wouldnt mind Duchene but I wouldnt pay the asking price because his stats dont dictate as such.

 

[bernmeister]

No reason for them to take on Staal if they can find a better way to the cap floor. I was just suggesting that Radulov would just about do that for them. I'd give their GM enough credit to know that his team doesn't need MS and wouldn't do that deal.

My main objection to it from a Rangers standpoint is I'd rather not trade another 2nd--especially if 2018 is going to be really good.

Thanks for clarification
I also prefer futures, generally.
Would consider exception if we can move MS

This just isn't true. McIlrath played for 3 AHL teams in 1 season. Stop this ridiculous narrative that McIlrath was held back by AV. He just isn't good enough for the NHL

I will not stop reminding about truth in history
AV screwed McIlrath, we all know it.
Ef AV.
He was entitled to full, legit, uncompromised, fair shot
Fact this or anything else has inhibited his development to date is irrelevant.
So, just stop with the stop

Alexander Burmistrov
Position: C, RW
Age (2017): 26
Size: 6�1" 180 lbs
Shoots: L
Drafted: Round 1, #8 Atlanta (2010)
Stat line 2016/2017 - 49 GP 5 G 11 A 16 P -7 15:24 TOI
NHL stat line career - 324 GP 35 G 60 A 95 P 0,29 PPG -26 127 PIM
NHL Teams: Arizona (latest), Winnipeg, Atlanta
Cap hit 2016/2017: $1,550,000
Talent analysis: Burmistrov's main atributes are his speed and his playmaking ability. He is probably one of the more electrifying players in his age group, having the ability to create offesnive opportunites when none might be obvious. Burmistov's lack of size could hinder him at the pro level

Mikhail Grigorenko
Position: C
Age (2017): 23
Size: 6�3" 209 lbs
Shoots: L
Drafted: Round 1, #12 Buffalo (2012)
Stat line 2016/2017 - 75 GP 10 G 13 A 23 P -14 14:05 TOI
NHL stat line career - 217 GP 22 G 42 A 64 P 0,29 PPG -26 30 PIM
NHL Teams: Colorado (latest), Buffalo
Cap hit 2016/2017: $1,300,000
Talent analysis: Grigorenko is a gifted offensive center who possesses great patience with the puck and the ability to thread passes all over the ice. He is a smooth skater and has the potential to be a top scorer in the NHL. Grigorenko has been criticized for inconsistent and disinterested play in the past, though he has played through injuries.

Peter Holland
Position: C
Age (2017): 26
Size: 6�2" 190 lbs
Shoots: L
Drafted: Round 1, #15 Anaheim (2009)
Stat line 2016/2017 - 48 GP 5 G 7 A 12 P -16 13:09 TOI
NHL stat line career - 243 GP 35 G 46 A 81 P 0,33 PPG -28 105 PIM
NHL Teams: Arizona (latest), Toronto, Anaheim
Cap hit 2016/2017 - $1,300,000
Talent analysis: Holland has begun to put his game together in the past couple of seasons. Where he was a player who could have been described as having all the tools but no tool box, Holland has evened out his effort and consistency. He is a big player with a soft touch. Although he is more of a shoot-first center, he has the vision and passing skills to be a respectable setup man.

Grigorenko?

Thanks for work on a nice sketch for us
leaning to how much is Sam Reinhart, and is Weal FA?

still no decision, open mind on yr ?.....

People are talking all about Pionk opening up on the team, but Graves is a better player.

Gorton already has disregarded LH-RH, he's gotten rid of our only two RHD's from last season, only brought in one, and brought in another lefty, so he evidently does not care about LH-RH, therefore considering who is the better player and disregarding how they shoot, its Graves.

I think both could be trade bait, as we have so many young defensemen now, but Graves should be the first of the two to the NHL.

We should try to avoid trading any of those young Ds until we figure out if they will add to a new core or not.
General rule, exceptions may apply, but still the rule.

Jordon weal as 4c and try maybe a Sam bennett roll as 2/3c
Keider-zib-buch
Vesey-hayes-Nash
Miller-Bennett-mza
Grabner-weal-fast

Puempel/Nieves

Continue that youth movement with low risk high reward young players?

preach, preach!

Possibly tacos.

 

[Ghost of jas]

For Graves to win a spot, theoretically both Staal and Holden would need to be moved.

 

[Fugazy]

Jordon weal as 4c and try maybe a Sam bennett roll as 2/3c
Keider-zib-buch
Vesey-hayes-Nash
Miller-Bennett-mza
Grabner-weal-fast

Puempel/Nieves

Continue that youth movement with low risk high reward young players?

I'm all in for Weal. I think he would be a great fit.

 

[ManUtdTobbe]

Its not my narrative. Take it up with the OHL watchers and Windsor fans who said this. I actually was defending the guy, but I don't watch Windsor that often.

Who am I to argue with people who watch the guy play more than I do?

You are definitely the driver of this narrative on these boards atleast, it's not correct so stop. I watched Windsor plenty, their top 4 was the best in the league and Sean Day was easily on par with Chatfield and Stanley (i'd definitely argue he was better then both).

 

[Savant]

Everything I heard on Day is that he got better as the year went on. Isn't that a good thing?

 

[nyr2k2]

For Graves to win a spot, theoretically both Staal and Holden would need to be moved.

Graves could be the RD on the bottom pair with Holden as a spare, if the Rangers are serious about kids taking spots. Graves is a lefty but has been playing RD since midget hockey.