Speculation: Roster Building Thread DCLXXXV: July 1st Is Coming...

[Ola]

Kevin Shattenkirk has speed and talent.

Nah, I think he skates like say Stepan or Brad Richards? He is short but very thick.

Shattenkirk is a D who has played a very long time under Ken Hitchcook. He has never been allowed to skate the puck up ice or challenge forecheckers. He will rush the puck up ice as much as Dan Boyle did for us.

He isn't the same slick D that entered the league for Colorado almost a decade ago:

He is great from the blueline and in. Not a one man threat with a heavy shot or something, but can buy himself time and find open lanes, no doubt. Just think like 7x7 is way too much for him.

 

[TheTakedown]

Nilsson would be a great pickup IMO. Couple people here have mentioned him.

Brooks is spot on, Nilsson, niemi, or kinkaid

 

[Off Sides]

Can they at least see what Zbad can do without having a right thing to do player in front of him?

Same for most of the other players, giving coaching high profile vets is... well we all know what will happen.

Rather see them sign some obscure guys as they did last year, at least those guys get tried here or there but are not already deemed as deserving of ice time no matter how they are playing.

 

[bernmeister]

would still do McD + Skjei + acquired Anisimov for MacK + picks, however, not clear even with that massive overpayment, Avs go there. Let's assume they don't.

---------------------
Nash at half for Anisimov
kudos to those who first came up with this -- Savant I believe.

do my other deal
Buch + Zuc + two 3rds
for
Sam Reinhart + two 2nds

------
put McD on the side until satisfactory overpayment is forthcoming

that would leave
Kreider - Reinhart - Zib
Gropp - AA - Miller
Grabner -Hayes - Vesey
Puemp - Nieves - Fast

lacks the super combo of Kreider - MacKinnon, but not too shabby, and we keep Brady.
Skjei Shatty [1 yr overpay]
Smith DeAngelo
Beargloves Graves
etc

plus, like I said, we do a Yankees w/Chapman parallel and flip McD; huge profit; see where his head is at in 2 yrs, and what # does he want; okay since we already got profit for him now.

 

[Ola]

Grigerenko has problems because he is a big guy, and hence has problems keeping up, but he isn't able to use his size to his advantage by being strong on the puck and so forth.

 

[Lion Hound]

Nah, I think he skates like say Stepan or Brad Richards? He is short but very thick.

Shattenkirk is a D who has played a very long time under Ken Hitchcook. He has never been allowed to skate the puck up ice or challenge forecheckers. He will rush the puck up ice as much as Dan Boyle did for us.

He isn't the same slick D that entered the league for Colorado almost a decade ago:

He is great from the blueline and in. Not a one man threat with a heavy shot or something, but can buy himself time and find open lanes, no doubt. Just think like 7x7 is way too much for him.

I agree on the dollar amount and term. That's way too much money. But no way does he skate like Stepan. Not the best skater but more fluid, has better speed imo.

 

[bernmeister]

Chicago isn't trading him and I wouldn't want him for the next 4 years.

maybe, maybe not they do. Debate can be had w/points on both sides
b4 Hossa, totally no. Now.... stop gap for them for playoff hopes, and relocates longer term.

As for us, we are not married to AA either.
You don't want him 4 years? Fine
Hold the fort now, then flip for reasonable profit after year or 2.

Stay the **** away from Joe Thornton...

STICKY THIS. PLEASE

 

[bernmeister]

Brooks is spot on, Nilsson, niemi, or kinkaid

Or develop Halverson from within
Niemi = never
Nilsson/Kinkaid = would want to flip later for profit.

Halvy is part of solution here IMO.

 

[AIexisLafreniereNYR]

maybe, maybe not they do. Debate can be had w/points on both sides
b4 Hossa, totally no. Now.... stop gap for them for playoff hopes, and relocates longer term.

As for us, we are not married to AA either.
You don't want him 4 years? Fine
Hold the fort now, then flip for reasonable profit after year or 2.



STICKY THIS. PLEASE

Whats wrong with a 1 or 2 year deal on 6m per? We get a #1 center and we can afford it.

 

[Gardner McKay]

would still do McD + Skjei + acquired Anisimov for MacK + picks, however, not clear even with that massive overpayment, Avs go there. Let's assume they don't.

---------------------
Nash at half for Anisimov
kudos to those who first came up with this -- Savant I believe.

do my other deal
Buch + Zuc + two 3rds
for
Sam Reinhart + two 2nds

------
put McD on the side until satisfactory overpayment is forthcoming

that would leave
Kreider - Reinhart - Zib
Gropp - AA - Miller
Grabner -Hayes - Vesey
Puemp - Nieves - Fast

lacks the super combo of Kreider - MacKinnon, but not too shabby, and we keep Brady.
Skjei Shatty [1 yr overpay]
Smith DeAngelo
Beargloves Graves
etc

plus, like I said, we do a Yankees w/Chapman parallel and flip McD; huge profit; see where his head is at in 2 yrs, and what # does he want; okay since we already got profit for him now.

That would be a great roster if we are trying to get the #1 overall pick. Also, Colorado would accept the McDonagh + Skjei deal in an instant. Gorton however would laugh if Sakic asked for that. I would too.

Players aren't stocks. They aren't currency. They don't appreciate at AA's age, they depreciate and AA in two years will be worth less than he is now, especially when he posts back to back horrible seasons because he has Ryan Gropp as his winger.

 

[TheTakedown]

Here's how we are getting our generational player and pretty much only way....ready?

Pray and hope as Sirico and I discussed earlier that by the grace of the hockey gods and they smile brightly upon us that Tavares says no to any Islander offers and becomes available as an UFA. It's unlikely but not totally out of the stratosphere that a scenario like this could occur.

Short of that, there are no generational talent available to be had. At least for us there isn't. Gorton is going about things the right way. Hopefully we catch some lightning in the bottle with some of the kids we drafted.

Things can change. We've got the best goalie over the last 20 years as a 7th rounder. Letang was a 3rd round draft pick. Zetterberg a 5th, etc.

 

[GregSirico]

Man I am getting ripped in here

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=2363629

I had no idea Duchene was worth as much as they value ... SHEESH

 

[silverfish]

I like Thornton on a one-year deal a lot. On a two-year deal? No. On a three-year deal? Get the **** outta here.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

Teams can bottom out for a year and rebound. Folks like to point out the failed rebuilds in different cities, but this team doesn't have to strip it all down and tank for 1st overall picks. Anaheim bottomed out in 2012 and added Lindholm. They made the playoffs the following year, then Lindholm suited up for them the year after and has been a workhorse ever since.

This draft is shaping up to be a very, very good one. The Rangers could get a kid in the top-10 who could step in very quickly and make an impact. They drafted this year with the goal of getting kids who will make the jump quickly.

Yeah, well we just added a 7th overall draft pick without needing to bottom out.

Thus, rebuild on the fly and not an actual rebuild.

What's so hard to get about this?

 

[Leetch3]

Or develop Halverson from within
Niemi = never
Nilsson/Kinkaid = would want to flip later for profit.

Halvy is part of solution here IMO.

halverson might not even be the backup in the AHL this year. he isn't even part of the conversation for backup in ny next season.

only way he is helping us next year is we are trading him for someone that can help us next year...

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

If Nick Holden actually has a spot on the team over Bereglazov or Pionk I will lose my mind

 

[Griffinbw]

If Nick Holden actually has a spot on the team over Bereglazov or Pionk I will lose my mind

Bereglazov has a KHL out clause and was guaranteed NHL minutes when he signed. There's no chance he sees the bench

In my opinion, Bereglazov could play any second pairing in the league. He was that solid in the K. Really excited to see him shut down bottom 6 forwards on our 3rd pairing, maybe fill a top 4 role next year. He skates like Day and has a cannon.

 

[RGY]

I like Thornton on a one-year deal a lot. On a two-year deal? No. On a three-year deal? Get the **** outta here.

Love the Dreger rumor. The preliminary steps are starting that lead to negotations.

 

[RGY]

If Nick Holden actually has a spot on the team over Bereglazov or Pionk I will lose my mind

I think (and hope) the Rangers FO is waiting to see how they do in free agency.

If they come away with Smith and Shatty then Holden will be traded.

 

[Blueshirts777]

Whats wrong with a 1 or 2 year deal on 6m per? We get a #1 center and we can afford it.

Him being a #1 center still is up for debate to be honest. He's also coming off a serious knee injury at 37 and his game has slowed down immensely.

 

[Gardner McKay]

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=2363629

I had no idea Duchene was worth as much as they value ... SHEESH

You realize Sakic turned down Hamonic + 1st +?

Hamonic filled a need and they were getting a 1st +. Duchene is valued like a 1C despite him performing like a borderline 2/3C last year. If he is traded, the team that trades for him will sorely regret it. If Stepan got 7th + DeAngelo, Duchene is worth at least that based on his prior performance.

I feel like (as I said in that thread) this ends poorly for the Avs. I think Sakic overplays his hand, the Avs continue to suck, Sakic gets fired, Duchene gets traded for pennies on the dollar.

The deal you proposed is about as much as I would pay for Duchene. I just don't think he is worth any more than that. However, if I was an Avs fan, I would certainly be hoping for more.

 

[Vinny DeAngelo]

Where is this idea of our D skating the puck into the Ozone coming from???

We dont do it often at all, not because of lack of skill but because thats the system. It was something Boyle and Yandle struggled with. They're asked to make the quick first pass not try to carry it.

 

[Griffinbw]

I think (and hope) the Rangers FO is waiting to see how they do in free agency.

If they come away with Smith and Shatty then Holden will be traded.

And Staal....
Give him away. I'll take a bag of pucks and send a 2nd.

 

[eco's bones]

Bereglazov has a KHL out clause and was guaranteed NHL minutes when he signed. There's no chance he sees the bench

In my opinion, Bereglazov could play any second pairing in the league. He was that solid in the K. Really excited to see him shut down bottom 6 forwards on our 3rd pairing, maybe fill a top 4 role next year. He skates like Day and has a cannon.

If the Rangers sign both Smith and Shattenkirk IMO Smith might end up on the left side which would mean pushing Staal out of the picture. I agree with you in that Bereglazov is a very serious candidate for a job this October.

It's not that I don't like Shatty--it's just that he's not elite and long term contracts to non-elite later 20's players are not a good idea. This was an issue last summer with Yandle. The middle to tall end of those contracts everybody's going to hate them.

Mining the Euro leagues--particularly the KHL, Liiga, and the SHL for early 20's players having success like the Rangers are doing in free agency or even picking late drafts seems like a good idea.

 

[Griffinbw]

If magically Staal is traded, and we sign both Shatty and Smith... Our defense might be the best in the league (Nashville?)

McD-Shatty
Skjei-Deangelo
Smith-Bereglazov

Sure AV would mismanage it, but no matter what there's always two solid D man on the ice.