Speculation: Roster Building Thread DCLXXXV: July 1st Is Coming...

[Blueshirts777]

I don't see this glaring need for forwards. I thought we had to many last year. A lot of same people crying that Buchnevich was on fourth line last year are same clamoring for wingers.

Kreider Zibanejad Buchnevich
Vesey Miller Nash
Grabner Hayes Zucc
Glass/Puempel Nieves/Andersson Fast

Maybe maybe if u want to push grabner down to the fourth line bring a guy in but to me it's the least of my worries.

Rebuild the right side with smith and Shattenkirk and get a goalie over 6'2 and I'll be content

Agree with this, not interested in bringing in guys on one year deals that will push down guys that can actually contribute and grow as Rangers.

 

[Griffinbw]

Not saying we should sign everyone here but these would be my main targets:

Goal (sign 1)

1. Condon
2. Nilsson


Defense (sign 1 or 2)

1. Brendan Smith
2. Kevin Shattenkirk (depending on term length)
3. Christian Folin
4. Joe Morrow

Center

1. Mikhail Grigorenko
2. Jordan Weal


Wings

1. Ryan White
2. Joe Cramarossa

On Shattenkirk--just read an article by Jack McKenna and it's not that he didn't make some good points but he said Alex Pietrangelo was inferior to Shattenkirk and I had to laugh at that. I wouldn't want to go more than 4 years with him. He's not an elite player and paying him long term like he is an elite player is a bad idea.

I like the idea of going after Grigorenko a lot.

On White and Cramarossa--see them as 4th liners who can play 10 minutes a game or so and bring some physical play and edge. The team has been a vanilla team and could use more push back. Cramarossa is 24 and IMO could be another Prust. White always gives good effort and always plays a hard game.

I agree apart from your wingers and centers.
At wing the primary target has to be Dadonov.
For center: Gagner, Bonino (at a reasonable price)

 

[Avery16]

Glass is forbidden from even hypothetical rosters

 

[Mac n Gs]

Nestrasil has been one of my favorite underrated players around the league. He's availavle? If so we shoulf br all over it to replace Lindberg in the bottom 6.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

I don't understand McPhee at all. He made such a strange mix of moves – from brilliant to gawdawful. Here are some of the results of the latter.

 

[Levitate]

Yakupov is just bad at hockey at the NHL level despite his skills. The odds of him being some great reclamation project aren't great

 

[eco's bones]

Condon isn't very good, i don't like him as a target at all, Nilsson is very good though.

Folin and Morrow are very meh, go after a guy like Postma instead, Wiercioch could be good depth aswell.

Love your 2 C's, i'd add Burmistrov as #3 too.

Don't like ur wingers, White is a goon, a bad goon. Nestrasil and Yakupov are good targets imo.

I think I prefer Nilsson but Condon to me is a battler. He wouldn't be bad and I think Allaire could tweak him pretty good.

Folin or Morrow would be depth players-potentially your 7th guy. Morrow is 24, Folin 26. I've never been a fan of Wiercioch.

As far as White or Cramarossa--I really think the Rangers need a player of that ilk as long as they can skate and check and pop in some points once in a while. Yakupov doesn't do a lot for me--and on a 4th line he'd stick out like a sore thumb. He's not made for the job. Nestrasil perhaps.

 

[silverfish]

 

[Irishguy42]

Not sure how interested they are. They're at least doing their due diligence, since they have Nash.

 

[GregSirico]

 

[eco's bones]

I agree apart from your wingers and centers.
At wing the primary target has to be Dadonov.
For center: Gagner, Bonino (at a reasonable price)

Dadonov would be a good pickup. Bonino would cost too much for what's he's worth. I think he's a case of been good in his role on a great team--when he gets somewhere else he's going to disappoint because they'll expect more out of him than that role.

Gagner--I wouldn't hate taking a chance but I wouldn't want to pay a lot.

 

[Mac n Gs]

They should kick the tires on Jumbo, just like they should on Grigorenko. It's two good stopgap options until Andersson and Chytil are ready. Maybe Jumbo can teach Hayes to not be a ****ing moron while he's at it

 

[Griffinbw]

They should kick the tires on Jumbo, just like they should on Grigorenko. It's two good stopgap options until Andersson and Chytil are ready. Maybe Jumbo can teach Hayes to not be a ****ing moron while he's at it

Get real. Hayes is incapable of learning anything

 

[bernmeister]

We need to accumulate young talent, and develop young talent. The first round pick is important, but not the only important part. You can rebuild without the 1st pick.

If you go with Shattenkirk and Smith, you are hurting the chances of Bereglazov, Graves, Pionk developing. Some people don't even want any of these guys in the lineup next year. They want them all back in Hartford, as if we shouldn't ever promote any players from Hartford. The solution last year was to overpay in a terrible market for Smith instead of promoting Graves. Why was that?

If you sign 2nd, 3rd line forwards, you are potentially inhibiting the development of Buchnevich and Vesey. If Andersson is ready this season, him as well. And if its a long-term contract, it inhibits his development, even if he's not on the team this year.

We don't definitely need a long rebuild. What we do need is to start rebuilding, building the team the right way, and if the situation presents itself to quickly and easily shift to being cup contenders, you do so. If we can sign Tavares, do so. That makes us cup contenders. If not, stick to rebuilding. RangerBoy made a very good point a number of weeks ago about free agency. Look at all the teams who've won the Stanley Cup in the last 10 or so years. How many of those teams built through free agency? Building through free agency is not how you build a team capable of winning the Stanley Cup, its how you build a team that might win a lot of games, but won't win them when they matter due to a lack of the key pieces. You rarely find those key pieces in free agency, which is why if they become available, you give them a blank check.

good post
Smith - any # w/in reason we sign, b'c we do not want to have surrendered 2nd + 3rd rnd pix for nothing.
Obtain useful guy at 4/4.25 3-4yrs max
limited NTC
use/flip for profit recover picks later this yr or next

Shatty - overpay just the one yr if he is game, which I think is 50/50. After upcoming season, next yrs are not clear, then Hank is off the books, and if he hasn't opted to move, he may be extended, but nowhere near 8+m. He made his $$$ he will be 2-3m backup after this deal if he stays in NY. So IF Shattenkirk proves himself worthy, there is cap $ from Hank's deal expiring to cover going forward.

The key here is RangerBoy is right.
We can NOT give Shattenkirk a huge upfront deal.
I am willing to overpay the guy 1 mil or so each contract yr to go very short term, 1 yr to start, see how it goes, then do 2 yrs at a clip.
If he is willing to work w/us fine, terrif
If he insists on the max deal upfront, buh-bye
50-50, if we overpay 1 yr, I think he gives us the 1yr show me; after that, not as clear, but results of next season will be reviewed.

We need to make room for and advance young guys.
I'd add to our F and D observations above, and say let's promote Halverson.
See what he has.
If he can be groomed to succeed in NHL, he could have short term production for us, but also ultimately may be a chip to get another asset or picks

Graves for Grigorenko?

No.
Must expect we are moving McD, and need all the more so to groom backliners.
Open to Grigorenko here under correct cost, but not a potentially important D from our reserves under these circumstances

Minnesota didn't qualify Christian Folin. They were afraid of Folin filing for salary arbitration and getting $1.4M. Maybe the Rangers should look at signing him for a year. Stop gap. Right handed. Who is the next Pouliot,Stalberg & Grabner? They look at adding that type of player. Cheap. Short term. Maybe flip at the trading deadline for a pick.

Conditionally yes.
Pay him to show up at camp.
Then, give him a deal IF we like what he shows.
It is not clear he is either all that and/or the proverbial bag of chips, according to some subsequent posts.
Also, must be willing to do 2 way deal.

I'd try for short term 2 year deal with Thornton. Let's miller stay on the wing. Although I believe he should be playing center and figuring it out for good.
If Thornton is a no I probably don't even care if we add another forward.

Thornton is a no.
MAYBE MAYBE MAYBE MAYBE MAYBE Hanzal 1 yr only, which I doubt he goes for.
Def not Thornton

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

They should kick the tires on Jumbo, just like they should on Grigorenko. It's two good stopgap options until Andersson and Chytil are ready. Maybe Jumbo can teach Hayes to not be a ****ing moron while he's at it

On a 1 year deal, Thornton makes a ton of sense.

Anymore than that? Stay away. Someone will give him 3, hope its not the Rangers.

 

[bernmeister]

They should kick the tires on Jumbo, just like they should on Grigorenko. It's two good stopgap options until Andersson and Chytil are ready. Maybe Jumbo can teach Hayes to not be a ****ing moron while he's at it

Get real. Hayes is incapable of learning anything

both of you overly critical on Hayes.
pls stop
he officially has the bernmeister seal of approval
as was given Kreider + JTM.

Mistakes will be made.
Growing pains.
Give the kid more elbow room

And for the love of all that is holy, please get rid of AV, or at least disable him from 2 friggin gazillion line changes that do not help younger players w/learning curve

 

[Mac n Gs]

On a 1 year deal, Thornton makes a ton of sense.

Anymore than that? Stay away. Someone will give him 3, hope its not the Rangers.

Watch him get the Dan boyle conract: 2 years $4.5M AAV

 

[RangerBoy]

Kicking tires means they are looking for a bargain. They aren't very serious. I work in a business full of tire kickers. They want everything for free. Not happening.

 

[bernmeister]

On a 1 year deal, Thornton makes a ton of sense.

Anymore than that? Stay away. Someone will give him 3, hope its not the Rangers.

Anisimov at basically cost of Nash makes a lot more sense.

 

[Off Sides]

Hope they don't kick the tires on Thornton too hard, it may break the suspension system.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Anisimov at basically cost of Nash makes a lot more sense.

Chicago isn't trading him and I wouldn't want him for the next 4 years.

 

[nevesis]

Stay the **** away from Joe Thornton...

 

[Lion Hound]

1 yr deal would make sense. But why would Thornton sign a 1 year deal when he can likely get a club to reach on him and do 3 years. If the Gorton gives him three years that would really be a head scratch type of a signing. At that point it goes from a Stop gap signing to a desperation/overpayment type of a deal. Plus, Nash has 1 year left. If the club is sitting outside of a playoff birth i'm pretty certain Nash could land a first rounder plus a prospect for a playoff club. That would leave one season for Thornton/Nash combo.

 

[Graves94]

I heard Dreger say this on TSN 690 Montreal this morning. However, he ALSO said that Joe is looking for a 3 year deal...Dreger doesn't think anyone will give him that!

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Yeah, and don't forget... agents ALWAYS want it in the news that the Rangers are in on their client.