Speculation: Roster Building Thread DCLXXXIV: We have Cap space! Hoorraayy!!!

[DanielBrassard]

I don't buy we opened up space to get Shattenkirk honestly. We already had enough cap room to sign him. I have no idea what the plan is though.

 

[broadwayblue]

For his salary and expectations, Nash has been a disappointment as a Ranger. The page should have been turned on him awhile ago.

In hindsight that's true. After his dismal 15-16 season would have been the time to turn the page. But they wanted to bring the guys back for one more run. They were obviously hoping he would revert to his 40 goal performance of the year prior (or something close to it) but instead got a repeat of his underwhelming performance. So yeah, last summer should have been the time.

 

[broadwayblue]

I don't buy we opened up space to get Shattenkirk honestly. We already had enough cap room to sign him. I have no idea what the plan is though.

What if Stepan has a bad 2017-2018? That would make it very hard to move him...and add on top of that his partial (half) NMC you are looking at being stuck with a guy for another 3 years at 6.5M/per. That's a nightmare. Moving on from Stepan now prevents this scenario from unfolding...the cap space is a bonus. Obviously they need to address the C position, but that could be via a stop gap signing as opposed to making a huge trade/signing.

 

[silverfish]

Reeks of a Jumbo/Nash reunion. Hope that Zibanejad can take that extra step to be a top-line guy, and have Thornton help shelter Hayes.

 

[NickyFotiu]

In hindsight that's true. After his dismal 15-16 season would have been the time to turn the page. But they wanted to bring the guys back for one more run. They were obviously hoping he would revert to his 40 goal performance of the year prior (or something close to it) but instead got a repeat of his underwhelming performance. So yeah, last summer should have been the time.

I do not think Nash will be a Ranger in 2018-19 but you never know. Gorton has to now weigh the benefits of trading him now in the offseason, or holding him till the trade deadline. He may bring more at the trade deadline but then you could mess up your team plus there is always a injury risk.

 

[NickyFotiu]

I hope Hayes comes around. He really could be a very good player. I just hated seeing how much "cheating" he started doing in the second half of last season and even in the playoffs.

 

[Elevate]

I also think the stock of Nash is too low. If he only yields the returns talked about in here, I'd rather keep him. He really isn't that bad.

 

[broadwayblue]

2018:
John Tavares
Evander Kane
Mikael Backlund
Mark Stone
Kyle Turris

2019:
Jeff Skinner
Tyler Seguin
Artemi Panarin
Matt Duchene
Jakob Silfverberg
Adam Henrique

Assuming he even gets to UFA, how much is Tavares going to cost? 11M x 7 years? I'd love to have him, but it's going to be a hell of a contract.

 

[NickyFotiu]

I also think the stock of Nash is too low. If he only yields the returns talked about in here, I'd rather keep him. He really isn't that bad.

I think Nash's stock actually went up over last summer. The main reasons are:

Now his contract is only 1 year (no commitment)
We can pick up 50% of his salary (no cap issue)
He scored 3 goals/5points in our playoffs

 

[broadwayblue]

I also think the stock of Nash is too low. If he only yields the returns talked about in here, I'd rather keep him. He really isn't that bad.

Whether he's been "bad" is debatable. But how much should you be paying a guy who has 40 points a year? Clearly less than we are, and by a considerable bit.

 

[Ail]

I don't buy we opened up space to get Shattenkirk honestly. We already had enough cap room to sign him. I have no idea what the plan is though.

Reeks of a Jumbo/Nash reunion. Hope that Zibanejad can take that extra step to be a top-line guy, and have Thornton help shelter Hayes.

That's the only thing that scares me about all of this cap space, instead of trying to think outside of the box and use it to acquire more assets for the future they'll just do the typical thing and supplement the young roster with vets and try to go for it again.

 

[eco's bones]

Not against the Rangers kicking the tires with Shattenkirk--but a 4 year term would be enough. 5 would be really pushing it. Keep away from NMC's.

As for Nash--he's at the point where he's worth about half of his cap hit. I have no issue with trying to move him--just would hope we'd get something good back for him--the best likelihood of that is probably at the trade deadline.

Not much out there as far as UFA's. Radulov has crazy ideas. Shattenkirk. Thornton, Marleau, Williams and Fisher are really, really old. Trevor Daley might be interesting--short term. Brendan Smith. Best NHL experienced goalie available might be Mike Condon.

Free agency this year might be best raiding the European leagues.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Whether he's been "bad" is debatable. But how much should you be paying a guy who has 40 points a year? Clearly less than we are, and by a considerable bit.

Nash has not been bad. He has been good at times but just not often enough for a 7.8 mill player. He knows that. He has spoken about that. If the darn league did not have a cap then it would not be a huge issue.

 

[DutchShamrock]

Look at it this way, one line is kreider-zibanejad-buch, the other top line is miller-hayes-zuccarello. So Nash and his $7.8m on the 3rd line? Just on principle that's bad.

 

[broadwayblue]

Nash has not been bad. He has been good at times but just not often enough for a 7.8 mill player. He knows that. He has spoken about that. If the darn league did not have a cap then it would not be a huge issue.

And as they say, if the Queen had balls, she'd be King. In a cap league it's all about value. And Nash (outside of one season) has been an anchor in that department. I expected a lot more from him, but unfortunately, he hasn't been able to be the guy.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Not against the Rangers kicking the tires with Shattenkirk--but a 4 year term would be enough. 5 would be really pushing it. Keep away from NMC's.

As for Nash--he's at the point where he's worth about half of his cap hit. I have no issue with trying to move him--just would hope we'd get something good back for him--the best likelihood of that is probably at the trade deadline.

Not much out there as far as UFA's. Radulov has crazy ideas. Shattenkirk. Thornton, Marleau, Williams and Fisher are really, really old. Trevor Daley might be interesting--short term. Brendan Smith. Best NHL experienced goalie available might be Mike Condon.

Free agency this year might be best raiding the European leagues.

which is why I'm on the "rebuilding" train.. and I'm not talking about rebuilding with everyone..

Rangers have many quality young pieces.. Zibby, Miller, Hayes, Kreider, Skjei, Deangelo, Buchnevich, Vesey.. Start with that, and then trade Mcdonagh for a massive haul, Zucc for a big haul, Nash/Grabner and others for smaller pieces maybe some picks, etc and then the Rangers could be in a real good position in 2 years when Igor could be ready to take over.. Why go through a rebuilding period then when Igor is here? start it now.

Unless JG has a plan to get a top line center (meaning a 1 or 1A, or at least a Stepan replacement), it makes no sense to splurge on Shatty (and I'm a huge fan) or anyone on the FA market.

 

[broadwayblue]

which is why I'm on the "rebuilding" train.. and I'm not talking about rebuilding with everyone..

Rangers have many quality young pieces.. Zibby, Miller, Hayes, Kreider, Skjei, Deangelo, Buchnevich, Vesey.. Start with that, and then trade Mcdonagh for a massive haul, Zucc for a big haul, Nash/Grabner and others for smaller pieces maybe some picks, etc and then the Rangers could be in a real good position in 2 years when Igor could be ready to take over.. Why go through a rebuilding period then when Igor is here? start it now.

Unless JG has a plan to get a top line center (meaning a 1 or 1A, or at least a Stepan replacement), it makes no sense to splurge on Shatty (and I'm a huge fan) or anyone on the FA market.

Because you have Hank here? If you are going to blow it up, why spend top dollar on a goalie?

 

[Mac n Gs]

It's way too early to start projecting our top-6. I think one of those guys is traded by July 15.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Because you have Hank here? If you are going to blow it up, why spend top dollar on a goalie?

He loves NY, I don't even think he would want to be traded even if we went through a rebuild.

at BEST they should take one more shot and then if nothing move Mcd and Zucc among others with value over 26 next year.

 

[NickyFotiu]

And as they say, if the Queen had balls, she'd be King. In a cap league it's all about value. And Nash (outside of one season) has been an anchor in that department. I expected a lot more from him, but unfortunately, he hasn't been able to be the guy.

I have been tough on Nash but I do think he earned the high salary in at least 2 of his 5 seasons here. One was strike shortened but that is not his fault. In fact that may have been his best season as a Ranger in some ways.

 

[mti79]

Look at it this way, one line is kreider-zibanejad-buch, the other top line is miller-hayes-zuccarello. So Nash and his $7.8m on the 3rd line? Just on principle that's bad.

So if we have:

Kreider-Zibanejad-Buchnevich
Miller-Hayes-Zuccarello
Vesey-Thornton-Nash
Fast-???-Grabner

Who am I missing?

McD-DeAngelo
Holden-Skjei
Staal-Bereglazov

Is that right? ugh... Need to add Smith at a reasonable contract or Shatty on a slightly higher yet still reasonable contract

 

[duhmetreE]

Nash's value is low @ 7.8M cap hit. His value exponentially increases @ 3.9M$ to a cup contender.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

So if we have:

Kreider-Zibanejad-Buchnevich
Miller-Hayes-Zuccarello
Vesey-Thornton-Nash
Fast-???-Grabner

Who am I missing?

McD-DeAngelo
Holden-Skjei
Staal-Bereglazov

Is that right? ugh... Need to add Smith at a reasonable contract or Shatty on a slightly higher yet still reasonable contract

That defense is in no way better than last years defense.. DeAngelo can not play with Mcdonagh right now.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

not that I endorse it, but I think Gorton might look at Hanzal for 3rd line center and go with Zib/hayes as the 1/2 and see what happens.. Hanzal would be overpaid, but whos our tough center to play against the othe teams top ones late in games?..

 

[GregSirico]

not that I endorse it, but I think Gorton might look at Hanzal for 3rd line center and go with Zib/hayes as the 1/2 and see what happens.. Hanzal would be overpaid, but whos our tough center to play against the othe teams top ones late in games?..

Woof @ Hanzel ... I don't like him one bit.