Ya think? Lol
He's looking for his final contract.
His asking price and term are going to be obscene.
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Ya think? Lol
He's looking for his final contract.
His asking price and term are going to be obscene.
Hire Sather
He Is Our Star
I'd be shocked if Shattenkirk isn't signed. Don't give a **** what Brooks said, the cap was freed up for a reason.
Gardner McKay
RIP, Jimmy.
To save you all the frustration, this team isn't rebuilding. This is an actual retool, not a rebuild.
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If they don't sign Shattenkirk and/or Smith it is 100% a rebuild, whatever name you want to give it.
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I think if the Rangers are willing to offer him 6.5M per, some team (unless maybe Boston? NJ? someone closer to home) is going to have to offer him 7.5 to 8M for him to choose someone, just what I believe based on everything I read about him wanting to be closer to home and his dream of playing in New York etc.
Miller, Kreider, Zib are core.
Not moved unless extraordinary situation.
Larry B is an idiot on this, do not ignore, REJECT
before you take my name in vain, get thee back to the dark side of the force
Hire Sather
He Is Our Star
The Rangers get guys they covet when they hit FA.
Richards, Boyle. Plenty of others that I am forgetting about.
We heard for years how the Rangers wanted both of these guys.
Richards, Boyle. Plenty of others that I am forgetting about.
We heard for years how the Rangers wanted both of these guys.
Gardner McKay
RIP, Jimmy.
If we had:
McDonagh - Shattenkirk
Skjei - Smith
Some combination of Holden/DeAngelo/Berglazov/Graves/Pionk
It would be such an unbelievable upgrade over what we had last season. That being said, I believe Brooks when he says we aren't interested in Shatty. Maybe it could be to see how much Shattenkirk really wants to play here and see if he will take a big discount.
This isn't the Glen Sather era where we will leak that we want a player and then have their agent use that against us in contract negotiations to drive up the price.
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Miller, Kreider, Zib are core.
Not moved unless extraordinary situation.
Larry B is an idiot on this, do not ignore, REJECT
before you take my name in vain, get thee back to the dark side of the force
Bern. PM me.
We have scenarios to discuss.
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Miller, Kreider, Zib are core.
Not moved unless extraordinary situation.
Larry B is an idiot on this, do not ignore, REJECT
before you take my name in vain, get thee back to the dark side of the force
Jt Miller has to score more than 1 goal in 41 playoff games before he can be considered a "core member"
I like the guy, but people complain about Stepan, Nash etc not performing in the playoffs? They've done 10X more than Miller has.
Gardner McKay
RIP, Jimmy.
Miller, Kreider, Zib are core.
Not moved unless extraordinary situation.
Larry B is an idiot on this, do not ignore, REJECT
before you take my name in vain, get thee back to the dark side of the force
Don't you mean, ignore?
I'd trade anyone of them for the right player.
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I think the only 2 players the Rangers wouldn't move (outside of using them to get a real top C) are Zibanejad and Skjei.
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Based on what Hamonic just returned, McDonagh would return a boat load.
Nash needs to be traded.
Holden needs to be traded.
Nash needs to be traded.
Holden needs to be traded.
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I'm just not in love with the idea of signing more low tier players. It's time we put on our big boy pants and make a big move for someone who can change the dynamic of the team talent wise.
Ok, this is what I come up with, assuming MacKinnon is available for massive overpayment, which would be required; even then that is still not a given.
Following solidifies Fs at cost of D, but may be workable short term:
1. Nash at half to CBH for Anisimov. Prior to news of Hossa out indefinitely, possibly permanently, don’t see Hawks going here. But provides stopgap so Chicago can continue push for Cup while retooling; and unload Anisimov’s term, which was not that much or that bad, but still creates with badly needed cap flexibility. Rangers can keep AA, or flip him.....
2. McDonagh 4.7 + Skjei ELC < 1 + Anisimov 4.5 to Colorado for MacKinnon + 2018 2nd + 2019 1st. Avs finally have too much on the table to walk away. AA is top 6 pivot nice deal, Skjei ELC is even longer controlled than MacK, and McD is all star LD, who, if they don’t extend, they can flip this year or next for high rental return. Rangers get elite quality C/W to bookend with Kreider on first line, + picks. Avs want it to be 2 2nds, and Rangers ask for 2 1sts, so 1st and a 2nd is reasonable compromise. CK + MacK give NY plausible offset to Sid and banged up Geno. Rangers pick up 4m ish in cap savings.
3. Buchnevich ELC + Zuc 4.5 + NYR 2018 + 2019 3rd to Buffalo for Sam Reinhart 894,167 + NYR 2018 + 2019 2nds. Rangers pick up potential 1C hopefully ready to bust out after year under Blysma, upgrade 2 picks, and pick up another 4.5ish mil in cap. Sabes do not address LD issue, but get 2 Ws, one an ELC cost controlled longer than Reiinhart, and the other who they extend or can unload for a lot as a rental. Both Ws contribute to developing F base, project scoring compatible with Eichel, Nylander, etc.
These are the main moves.
Use cap to nail down extension of youngest core on term with volume discount minimizing annual salary. 8 years or max term to:
Zib, at 5.25 per;
Miller at 4.5 per, and
Hayes at 4.25; also
Smith at 4.25.
Now sign Shattenkirk to 1 year only at 8m per. Chance he might not go there, but 8m is already overpay above and beyond over what I would consider top figure for 1 yr at 7.25. He is taking a certain risk, but he is also investing only 1 year to prove he is worth closer to 8 than to 6. Plus he gets to see how living here works out while retaining options; plus he probably enhances himself financially through ads, etc., by staying in NY.
We also tell Grabner get near 20+ and we start looking at 4 x 4, though that is not an immediate priority.
Okay, so far that is
Kreider - Miller - MacKinnon
Gropp - Reinhart - Zib
Grabner - Hayes - Vesey
Jensen? Puempel? __________?- Nieves - Fast
There are multiple possibilities for 1C. In this scenario, went with known commodity that is fastest for speed betw. Kreider + MacK. However, if it is decided to go big, Zib may well be the pivot; Reinhart is also an obvious possible. Then in addition is the point I have made previously, to much derision, which postulates simply:
Nieves may be healthy enough to rock and roll;
his D and basic passing may be fine;
he may have chemistry w/CK + NM, especially if they do all the heavy lifting on offense as to finishing;
in a construct where opposing defense spreads itself thin attempting to contain both Kreider and MacK simultaneously, even a raw Boo might succeed on offense at 1C.
However, it is not that big a whoop, so let’s roll for now as I have the line shifts.
Other than 4LW, this is a solid F lineup.
Hank is our G, and we should promote Halverson, see if we can up his value, and make use of him as backup.
That leaves the D, which was crippled to make a dominant F lineup. However, if we are objective, we understand that sure, best case scenario, McDonagh/Zuc do a Yankees Chapman and return, hopefully for less, after we got our price. But even still, as RangerBoy notes, we have to be ahead of the curve with Zuc getting at least 1+ mil more, and McD not impossible to almost double to upwards of 8m per.
So we have
Smith - Shattenkirk
Beargloves - DeAngelo
Graves - Pionk,, Zborovsky
Gilmour Day
Try to move Holden now, even add asset to improve return. Depending on who we do/do not acquire in trade (Demers + Bjugstad for reduced Staal?) we have barely enough to get by. But if the rest of the team is SO butt kickin, we can hang on while the backliners catch up.
If Klein retires, which is anticipated, fine, God bless him. If he wants a reduced role at 3RD for half a year and he can handle that, that might be a stopgap, though I am optimistic it will not come to that.
Conclusion: If we do my above changes, while not everything is addressed/finalized, we stabilize most of the roster. Yes, we still need good enough defense, but a high powered offense helps keep puck out of our zone. Team including D gets younger and to some extent that athletic ability automatically helps while waiting for growing pains of experience to resolve.
Preferably, Day will at least get a cup of coffee this year. He slipped in the draft to us, and has apparently shaped up and worked hard. If he sees both McD AND Skjei have been moved, and we are willing to give him as much tutelage as he can absorb, how hard do you think he would bust his butt to get here by January? A Day who is close would be HUGE.
Then we rely on Gordon for FAs, etc.
Try to remove via trade, but if unavoidably necessary, buyout Staal if there is no getting around it.
Following solidifies Fs at cost of D, but may be workable short term:
1. Nash at half to CBH for Anisimov. Prior to news of Hossa out indefinitely, possibly permanently, don’t see Hawks going here. But provides stopgap so Chicago can continue push for Cup while retooling; and unload Anisimov’s term, which was not that much or that bad, but still creates with badly needed cap flexibility. Rangers can keep AA, or flip him.....
2. McDonagh 4.7 + Skjei ELC < 1 + Anisimov 4.5 to Colorado for MacKinnon + 2018 2nd + 2019 1st. Avs finally have too much on the table to walk away. AA is top 6 pivot nice deal, Skjei ELC is even longer controlled than MacK, and McD is all star LD, who, if they don’t extend, they can flip this year or next for high rental return. Rangers get elite quality C/W to bookend with Kreider on first line, + picks. Avs want it to be 2 2nds, and Rangers ask for 2 1sts, so 1st and a 2nd is reasonable compromise. CK + MacK give NY plausible offset to Sid and banged up Geno. Rangers pick up 4m ish in cap savings.
3. Buchnevich ELC + Zuc 4.5 + NYR 2018 + 2019 3rd to Buffalo for Sam Reinhart 894,167 + NYR 2018 + 2019 2nds. Rangers pick up potential 1C hopefully ready to bust out after year under Blysma, upgrade 2 picks, and pick up another 4.5ish mil in cap. Sabes do not address LD issue, but get 2 Ws, one an ELC cost controlled longer than Reiinhart, and the other who they extend or can unload for a lot as a rental. Both Ws contribute to developing F base, project scoring compatible with Eichel, Nylander, etc.
These are the main moves.
Use cap to nail down extension of youngest core on term with volume discount minimizing annual salary. 8 years or max term to:
Zib, at 5.25 per;
Miller at 4.5 per, and
Hayes at 4.25; also
Smith at 4.25.
Now sign Shattenkirk to 1 year only at 8m per. Chance he might not go there, but 8m is already overpay above and beyond over what I would consider top figure for 1 yr at 7.25. He is taking a certain risk, but he is also investing only 1 year to prove he is worth closer to 8 than to 6. Plus he gets to see how living here works out while retaining options; plus he probably enhances himself financially through ads, etc., by staying in NY.
We also tell Grabner get near 20+ and we start looking at 4 x 4, though that is not an immediate priority.
Okay, so far that is
Kreider - Miller - MacKinnon
Gropp - Reinhart - Zib
Grabner - Hayes - Vesey
Jensen? Puempel? __________?- Nieves - Fast
There are multiple possibilities for 1C. In this scenario, went with known commodity that is fastest for speed betw. Kreider + MacK. However, if it is decided to go big, Zib may well be the pivot; Reinhart is also an obvious possible. Then in addition is the point I have made previously, to much derision, which postulates simply:
Nieves may be healthy enough to rock and roll;
his D and basic passing may be fine;
he may have chemistry w/CK + NM, especially if they do all the heavy lifting on offense as to finishing;
in a construct where opposing defense spreads itself thin attempting to contain both Kreider and MacK simultaneously, even a raw Boo might succeed on offense at 1C.
However, it is not that big a whoop, so let’s roll for now as I have the line shifts.
Other than 4LW, this is a solid F lineup.
Hank is our G, and we should promote Halverson, see if we can up his value, and make use of him as backup.
That leaves the D, which was crippled to make a dominant F lineup. However, if we are objective, we understand that sure, best case scenario, McDonagh/Zuc do a Yankees Chapman and return, hopefully for less, after we got our price. But even still, as RangerBoy notes, we have to be ahead of the curve with Zuc getting at least 1+ mil more, and McD not impossible to almost double to upwards of 8m per.
So we have
Smith - Shattenkirk
Beargloves - DeAngelo
Graves - Pionk,, Zborovsky
Gilmour Day
Try to move Holden now, even add asset to improve return. Depending on who we do/do not acquire in trade (Demers + Bjugstad for reduced Staal?) we have barely enough to get by. But if the rest of the team is SO butt kickin, we can hang on while the backliners catch up.
If Klein retires, which is anticipated, fine, God bless him. If he wants a reduced role at 3RD for half a year and he can handle that, that might be a stopgap, though I am optimistic it will not come to that.
Conclusion: If we do my above changes, while not everything is addressed/finalized, we stabilize most of the roster. Yes, we still need good enough defense, but a high powered offense helps keep puck out of our zone. Team including D gets younger and to some extent that athletic ability automatically helps while waiting for growing pains of experience to resolve.
Preferably, Day will at least get a cup of coffee this year. He slipped in the draft to us, and has apparently shaped up and worked hard. If he sees both McD AND Skjei have been moved, and we are willing to give him as much tutelage as he can absorb, how hard do you think he would bust his butt to get here by January? A Day who is close would be HUGE.
Then we rely on Gordon for FAs, etc.
Try to remove via trade, but if unavoidably necessary, buyout Staal if there is no getting around it.
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You need assets to do this. This team at this moment doesn't have those assets. They need to continue down this current path of adding assets to be able to make this type of move.
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Change is good.
They actually moved 2 core players... one bought out.
Was going to say the same thing.
Doesn't matter that we all agree that he was ineffective at the role they gave him, they still gave him 1RD.
We've cut ties, one way or another, with our 1C and our 1RD. (Also our presumptive 3C for the year, though not by choice.) That's a pretty friggin' significant commitment to change. Now, I do agree that I don't think they're TANKING, but I do think they're doing a significant overhaul. Trying to anyway.
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Stepan signals that, but not Girardi, Rangers knew they needed to change the defense and with having both Staal and Girardi here, that was impossible to do.
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I always knew you were a smart and savvy guy NYR...hah
In all seriousness, of all the available UFA's available Bonino absolutely would be the best fit. He needs to be reasonable tho. If he wan'ts 4 x 4...GMJG should walk. If Bonino hopefully is somewhat reasonable and is anywhers from 3.5-3.75 x 4 I work with him to get a deal done.
He'd be a nice player to have. No assets given up other than some cash and he's a good stop gap till some of the kids are ready to move up.
Listen, there is no perfect fix here. No one is sending us Getlaf or Tavares,Malkin or Toewes. There are no stud 1A C's available. So we do what we need to do to once again be one of the top teams in the East and have a shot a long playoff run and maybe a Cup final.
We get Bonino to replace Step to go with Zibby,Hayes and probably Nieves for now. We fix our backend which is THE most important priority and get Shatty, re-sign Smitty and add a backup goalie like and Anders Nilsson.
We do this and I do believe this is the route JG is going, we'll be better than last year and once again have a punchers chance at a Cup.
For those of you Cup or bust people out there, apologies once again that you'll have to suffer with another playoff year, possible long playoff run and alot of fun and excitement for minimum of 6 months and hopefully 8.
Seeing I'm not a "Cup or Bust" guy and never have. I will once again appreciate the efforts of the FO to try and make our team the best it can be, I'll trust Gorton as he hasn't screwed up yet and let this team entertain me as it has for 40 something and thank my lucky stars that my team is the Rangers and not the team over the Brooklyn Bridge who despite their 4 Cups 37 years ago, haven't done squatole since. I'd rather have my 1 Cup and 25 playoff appearances in those 37 years with 14 of them going past the first round and 5 of them in the ECF. The Islanders you ask? not even 1 ECF and only one time past the first round in 37 years.
So next time any one wants to complain about our team and that all we do is make the playoff but we haven't won a Cup since '94...I say suck it up and be grateful for that because we could be the Islanders and how brutal would that be to have been for 37 years?
There will be no tank job. There never ever will be a tank job. This is NY...it just aint happening. Gorton's doing it the right way "retooling on the fly". I for one trust his instincts and his evaluation skills as well as our scouts. Hopefully when we get to the playoff again this year, we'll go on another fun playoff run where the pessimists will say we'll lose in the first round like we were supposed to vs Montreal and we'll once again over achieve. Can't wait till July 1-2 to see what GMJG does. I'm betting I won't be the only one happy....
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I always knew you were a smart and savvy guy NYR...hah
In all seriousness, of all the available UFA's available Bonino absolutely would be the best fit. He needs to be reasonable tho. If he wan'ts 4 x 4...GMJG should walk. If Bonino hopefully is somewhat reasonable and is anywhers from 3.5-3.75 x 4 I work with him to get a deal done.
He'd be a nice player to have. No assets given up other than some cash and he's a good stop gap till some of the kids are ready to move up.
Listen, there is no perfect fix here. No one is sending us Getlaf or Tavares,Malkin or Toewes. There are no stud 1A C's available. So we do what we need to do to once again be one of the top teams in the East and have a shot a long playoff run and maybe a Cup final.
We get Bonino to replace Step to go with Zibby,Hayes and probably Nieves for now. We fix our backend which is THE most important priority and get Shatty, re-sign Smitty and add a backup goalie like and Anders Nilsson.
We do this and I do believe this is the route JG is going, we'll be better than last year and once again have a punchers chance at a Cup.
For those of you Cup or bust people out there, apologies once again that you'll have to suffer with another playoff year, possible long playoff run and alot of fun and excitement for minimum of 6 months and hopefully 8.
Seeing I'm not a "Cup or Bust" guy and never have. I will once again appreciate the efforts of the FO to try and make our team the best it can be, I'll trust Gorton as he hasn't screwed up yet and let this team entertain me as it has for 40 something and thank my lucky stars that my team is the Rangers and not the team over the Brooklyn Bridge who despite their 4 Cups 37 years ago, haven't done squatole since. I'd rather have my 1 Cup and 25 playoff appearances in those 37 years with 14 of them going past the first round and 5 of them in the ECF. The Islanders you ask? not even 1 ECF and only one time past the first round in 37 years.
So next time any one wants to complain about our team and that all we do is make the playoff but we haven't won a Cup since '94...I say suck it up and be grateful for that because we could be the Islanders and how brutal would that be to have been for 37 years?
There will be no tank job. There never ever will be a tank job. This is NY...it just aint happening. Gorton's doing it the right way "retooling on the fly". I for one trust his instincts and his evaluation skills as well as our scouts. Hopefully when we get to the playoff again this year, we'll go on another fun playoff run where the pessimists will say we'll lose in the first round like we were supposed to vs Montreal and we'll once again over achieve. Can't wait till July 1-2 to see what GMJG does. I'm betting I won't be the only one happy....
You would let Bonino go for 250K?... You really can't want him that much then.
The Girardi thing was an inevitability though. I mean, everyone knew something had to change defensively and he was the obvious candidate.
The Stepan move wasn't a necessity. I see it as a signal they want to change the dynamic a bit. The Girardi thing was just an obvious move that everyone saw coming.
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