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Honestly it has felt like a foregone conclusion that Shattenkirk signs with the NYR for 18 mos+.

Kind of agree. Until Caps paid out the wazoo for him at deadline, looked like we were going to get him than.

Gotta be honest as much conjecture as there has been here on this board and in the media, I would be really really surprised if by the end of the day on July 1 that Shattenkirk isn't posing the following day with his new Adidas #22 Ranger jersey.
 
Ok, this is what I come up with, assuming MacKinnon is available for massive overpayment, which would be required; even then that is still not a given.

Following solidifies Fs at cost of D, but may be workable short term:


1. Nash at half to CBH for Anisimov. Prior to news of Hossa out indefinitely, possibly permanently, don’t see Hawks going here. But provides stopgap so Chicago can continue push for Cup while retooling; and unload Anisimov’s term, which was not that much or that bad, but still creates with badly needed cap flexibility. Rangers can keep AA, or flip him.....

2. McDonagh 4.7 + Skjei ELC < 1 + Anisimov 4.5 to Colorado for MacKinnon + 2018 2nd + 2019 1st. Avs finally have too much on the table to walk away. AA is top 6 pivot nice deal, Skjei ELC is even longer controlled than MacK, and McD is all star LD, who, if they don’t extend, they can flip this year or next for high rental return. Rangers get elite quality C/W to bookend with Kreider on first line, + picks. Avs want it to be 2 2nds, and Rangers ask for 2 1sts, so 1st and a 2nd is reasonable compromise. CK + MacK give NY plausible offset to Sid and banged up Geno. Rangers pick up 4m ish in cap savings.

3. Buchnevich ELC + Zuc 4.5 + NYR 2018 + 2019 3rd to Buffalo for Sam Reinhart 894,167 + NYR 2018 + 2019 2nds. Rangers pick up potential 1C hopefully ready to bust out after year under Blysma, upgrade 2 picks, and pick up another 4.5ish mil in cap. Sabes do not address LD issue, but get 2 Ws, one an ELC cost controlled longer than Reiinhart, and the other who they extend or can unload for a lot as a rental. Both Ws contribute to developing F base, project scoring compatible with Eichel, Nylander, etc.

These are the main moves.
Use cap to nail down extension of youngest core on term with volume discount minimizing annual salary. 8 years or max term to:
Zib, at 5.25 per;
Miller at 4.5 per, and
Hayes at 4.25; also
Smith at 4.25.

Now sign Shattenkirk to 1 year only at 8m per. Chance he might not go there, but 8m is already overpay above and beyond over what I would consider top figure for 1 yr at 7.25. He is taking a certain risk, but he is also investing only 1 year to prove he is worth closer to 8 than to 6. Plus he gets to see how living here works out while retaining options; plus he probably enhances himself financially through ads, etc., by staying in NY.

We also tell Grabner get near 20+ and we start looking at 4 x 4, though that is not an immediate priority.


Okay, so far that is
Kreider - Miller - MacKinnon
Gropp - Reinhart - Zib
Grabner - Hayes - Vesey
Jensen? Puempel? __________?- Nieves - Fast

There are multiple possibilities for 1C. In this scenario, went with known commodity that is fastest for speed betw. Kreider + MacK. However, if it is decided to go big, Zib may well be the pivot; Reinhart is also an obvious possible. Then in addition is the point I have made previously, to much derision, which postulates simply:
Nieves may be healthy enough to rock and roll;
his D and basic passing may be fine;
he may have chemistry w/CK + NM, especially if they do all the heavy lifting on offense as to finishing;
in a construct where opposing defense spreads itself thin attempting to contain both Kreider and MacK simultaneously, even a raw Boo might succeed on offense at 1C.

However, it is not that big a whoop, so let’s roll for now as I have the line shifts.
Other than 4LW, this is a solid F lineup.

Hank is our G, and we should promote Halverson, see if we can up his value, and make use of him as backup.

That leaves the D, which was crippled to make a dominant F lineup. However, if we are objective, we understand that sure, best case scenario, McDonagh/Zuc do a Yankees Chapman and return, hopefully for less, after we got our price. But even still, as RangerBoy notes, we have to be ahead of the curve with Zuc getting at least 1+ mil more, and McD not impossible to almost double to upwards of 8m per.

So we have
Smith - Shattenkirk
Beargloves - DeAngelo
Graves - Pionk,, Zborovsky
Gilmour Day

Try to move Holden now, even add asset to improve return. Depending on who we do/do not acquire in trade (Demers + Bjugstad for reduced Staal?) we have barely enough to get by. But if the rest of the team is SO butt kickin, we can hang on while the backliners catch up.

If Klein retires, which is anticipated, fine, God bless him. If he wants a reduced role at 3RD for half a year and he can handle that, that might be a stopgap, though I am optimistic it will not come to that.

Conclusion: If we do my above changes, while not everything is addressed/finalized, we stabilize most of the roster. Yes, we still need good enough defense, but a high powered offense helps keep puck out of our zone. Team including D gets younger and to some extent that athletic ability automatically helps while waiting for growing pains of experience to resolve.

Preferably, Day will at least get a cup of coffee this year. He slipped in the draft to us, and has apparently shaped up and worked hard. If he sees both McD AND Skjei have been moved, and we are willing to give him as much tutelage as he can absorb, how hard do you think he would bust his butt to get here by January? A Day who is close would be HUGE.

Then we rely on Gordon for FAs, etc.
Try to remove via trade, but if unavoidably necessary, buyout Staal if there is no getting around it.


Although I disagree with most of the trades you make (major overpayment), a kreider-Mackinnon-Reinhart line sounds absolutely ****ing amazing
 
Kind of agree. Until Caps paid out the wazoo for him at deadline, looked like we were going to get him than.

Gotta be honest as much conjecture as there has been here on this board and in the media, I would be really really surprised if by the end of the day on July 1 that Shattenkirk isn't posing the following day with his new Adidas #22 Ranger jersey.

Gotta trade Holden first. ;)
 
Alright, let's go. My bonkers offseason plan and then I'm off to bed:

McDonagh to BUF for Reinhart, 1st in '18, and 1st in '19.
Staal + goalie prospect not named Shestyorkin to FLA for Bjugstad and Demers.
Nash @ 50% to NSH for 1st in '18 or '19.
Hayes to MTL for 1st in '18 or '19.
Holden to DAL for Niemi (cap dump), 2nd in '18, 2nd in '19.
Re-sign Smith @ 3 x $4.25MM.
Sign Shattenkirk @ 6 x $6.25MM.
Sign Dadonov @ 2 x $3.5MM.
Leaves you with approx. $2MM working room to start the season.

Kreider-Zibanejad-Buchnevich
Zuccarello-Reinhart-Dadonov
Vesey-Bjugstad-Miller
Grabner-Nieves-Fast

Skjei-Shattenkirk
Smith-DeAngelo
Bereglazov-Demers

Lundqvist
Niemi

2018: 2x 1st round picks , 1x 2nd round picks gained.
2019: 2x 1st round picks, 1x 2nd round picks gained.

Who's with me? :)
 
Not a hope in hell buffalo does Buchnevich ELC + Zuc 4.5 + NYR 2018 + 2019 3rd to Buffalo for Sam Reinhart 894,167 + NYR 2018 + 2019 2nds
 
I always knew you were a smart and savvy guy NYR...hah

In all seriousness, of all the available UFA's available Bonino absolutely would be the best fit. He needs to be reasonable tho. If he wan'ts 4 x 4...GMJG should walk. If Bonino hopefully is somewhat reasonable and is anywhers from 3.5-3.75 x 4 I work with him to get a deal done.

He'd be a nice player to have. No assets given up other than some cash and he's a good stop gap till some of the kids are ready to move up.

Listen, there is no perfect fix here. No one is sending us Getlaf or Tavares,Malkin or Toewes. There are no stud 1A C's available. So we do what we need to do to once again be one of the top teams in the East and have a shot a long playoff run and maybe a Cup final.

We get Bonino to replace Step to go with Zibby,Hayes and probably Nieves for now. We fix our backend which is THE most important priority and get Shatty, re-sign Smitty and add a backup goalie like and Anders Nilsson.

We do this and I do believe this is the route JG is going, we'll be better than last year and once again have a punchers chance at a Cup.

For those of you Cup or bust people out there, apologies once again that you'll have to suffer with another playoff year, possible long playoff run and alot of fun and excitement for minimum of 6 months and hopefully 8.

Seeing I'm not a "Cup or Bust" guy and never have. I will once again appreciate the efforts of the FO to try and make our team the best it can be, I'll trust Gorton as he hasn't screwed up yet and let this team entertain me as it has for 40 something and thank my lucky stars that my team is the Rangers and not the team over the Brooklyn Bridge who despite their 4 Cups 37 years ago, haven't done squatole since. I'd rather have my 1 Cup and 25 playoff appearances in those 37 years with 14 of them going past the first round and 5 of them in the ECF. The Islanders you ask? not even 1 ECF and only one time past the first round in 37 years.

So next time any one wants to complain about our team and that all we do is make the playoff but we haven't won a Cup since '94...I say suck it up and be grateful for that because we could be the Islanders and how brutal would that be to have been for 37 years?

There will be no tank job. There never ever will be a tank job. This is NY...it just aint happening. Gorton's doing it the right way "retooling on the fly". I for one trust his instincts and his evaluation skills as well as our scouts. Hopefully when we get to the playoff again this year, we'll go on another fun playoff run where the pessimists will say we'll lose in the first round like we were supposed to vs Montreal and we'll once again over achieve. Can't wait till July 1-2 to see what GMJG does. I'm betting I won't be the only one happy....:nod:

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While I agree with mostly everything you posted, we certainly don't share the same love of JG.
I just don't get what he's trying to do.
Other than Bonino, I can't see him going for another center otherwise he would've already pulled the trigger on a trade for DSteps replacement.
So as of this moment and while Zbad has the (potential), JG is planning on shoehorning two players that wreak on inconsistency into the #1/#2 center spots.
I've stated this concern the other day also. If Zbad goes down that leaves Hayes as #1. Personally, I don't even see him as a #2.
I do expect to see Miller at C if Hayes ***** the bed.
I seriously doubt they're going to get a true #1 center so as of right now?
This team NEEDS Bonino IMO.
 
Miller back to C seems like the easiest fix for this season, and it'd probably be easier to find a wing on the marker than a C. I'm still not crazy about his or Hayes defensive games down the middle, but whatever.

Also, Sam Reinhart has been a RW for the majority of his career. I don't see him being a C either.
 
Don't you mean, ignore? :popcorn:
I'd trade anyone of them for the right player.

thank you for asking.
No I meant it as written, and it was correct.
My suggested instruction was DO NOT ignore, BECAUSE [implied] you are instead REJECTING!


Jt Miller has to score more than 1 goal in 41 playoff games before he can be considered a "core member"

I like the guy, but people complain about Stepan, Nash etc not performing in the playoffs? They've done 10X more than Miller has.

Stop pls w/playoffs where whole team was off.
eye test
Miller was drafted 15OA, would go higher if redrafted
That is a lot of value for a guy w/his talent

He is part of the solution, not the problem, get rid of AV and all the effin line changes and things will work out. Still some screw ups, but they are men, not machines. And again, there will be continued progress
Do not want to sell talent cheap if we can help it.


Bern man ... that is just ... insane LOL ... like that would be the wildest offseason ever.
Ya, that would be WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY outside the box.
And the d would need a lot more work to catch up
However, the rest of it is as advertised.
Would be huge net gain.


That's just this week. He'll have a bunch as the year goes on.. although Stepan is gone now so that takes away a lot of his proposals.

God dammit I just skimmed it and I wonder why I did. What the hell is that man? McDonagh, Nash and Skjei for Mackinnon and picks.. come on man.

YOU brought up Stepan
as long as you are doing so, why don't you acknowledge I was right about him all along, that he was always worth more to us in trade return than actual production?

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As to the deal you criticize, it is bad enough several here want waaayyy overboard on evaluating Stepan. You now want MacKinnon, but want him on the cheap. Let's not everybody waste everybody else's time.

MacK was 1OA
He is on upwards of 6 years at 6 per, which is good for him

You will NOT get MacK for EITHER McD or Skjei
This is about the only way they don't say no.

Now if you don't want to overpay by that much, that is a fair argument to have in a civil discussion.

But c'mon man. You want an omelette you have to crack some eggs.


Screw it.

Bern. Aside from the fact that both proposals are just absolutely ridiculous and involve destroying the entire team for two players.. you then move the two best centers on your proposed team to wing.

The entire reason we need Mackinnon is because we now lack at a top line center. You trade the entire team for one and then move him to wing. You also move our second best center in Zibanjaed to wing for good measure.

If JT Miller is capable of playing first line center as you propose then we don't need to give up a truckload get the top line center anyway

1. Props are not ridiculous cause MacK is an elite talent and would command that much overpayment.
You don't wanna overpay, fine, no deal, but don't pretend that would not be the cost.

2 As to the other player, Reinhart, there is need to move Zuc before he commands north of 6. Pay attention, I suggest, to the memos from RangerBoy
Wanna go in another direction on Zuc? fine, but zuc + Buch + for Reinhart ++ is not the worst way to go.

3.
The entire reason we need Mackinnon is because we now lack at a top line center.
Wrong.
The ONLY reason to consider such as massive overpay is the mindboggling synergy created by having Kreider + MacK on the same line
Since NM is righty shot, that would make a lot of sense, esp if he and Kreid can focus on finishing with another guy doing the setup.

4 I said Zib, maybe here, maybe there.
Right now, he would be that bookend to Kreider.
but if we did get MacK to pair with CK, then the thought of Reinhart and Zib dominating is sweet

5 JT Miller can handle 1C
Anyone who wants to contradict me, fine, I will eventually be proven as correct on that as I was right about Stepan.


Harnett speculating on twitter the Rangers may move Miller back to center..

The only thing that currently makes sense to do.
And I see that may be sooner than later.


Although I disagree with most of the trades you make major overpayment), a kreider-Mackinnon-Reinhart line sounds absolutely ****ing amazing
Yes, well the supreme overpayment comes with the territory, shoe on the other foot, how much less would you take to do that deal?
but the main point is Kreider and MacK at the ends, with the correct pivot.
Not that MacK can't play C, but in this specific instance, my argument stands.

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The real world calls
back to you guys in a coupla days
peace out
even those who insist on the snide ride:naughty::D;):laugh::laugh::laugh:
 
Likely a missing piece to this puzzle but one of Anderson/Tambellini/Nieves could be competing for 3C. I think 4th line is Fast/Puempel/Jensen barring a signing. D and G bigger questions.
 
Not a hope in hell buffalo does Buchnevich ELC + Zuc 4.5 + NYR 2018 + 2019 3rd to Buffalo for Sam Reinhart 894,167 + NYR 2018 + 2019 2nds

take coupla days and show me they have a much better alternative.


Miller back to C seems like the easiest fix for this season, and it'd probably be easier to find a wing on the marker than a C. I'm still not crazy about his or Hayes defensive games down the middle, but whatever.

Also, Sam Reinhart has been a RW for the majority of his career. I don't see him being a C either.

Fair point, but I believe it is obvious that has been due to excessive abundance of pivots on Sabes
 
I'd tell miller he's a center as he should be and time to step up.

Kreider Zibanejad Buchnevich
Nash Miller Zucc
Vesey Hayes Grabner
Glass Nieves/Lias Fast
Puempel (who I've always liked)

Maybe u bring Pirri back as a spare to compete for a spot too. Like him as well in a spare role

Mcdonagh Shattenkirk
Skjei Smith
Staal DeAngelo
Bereglazov Kampfer

Hank
Johnson or Mason

I'd be very content (gotta move Holden)
 
Is Smith really worth/going to get over $4m per? he looked ok in his time here but he was in and out of an average DRW lineup all season, and seems to be trending more as a Klein type bottom/middle pairing tweeter rather than a true top pairing guy.
 
Miller back to C seems like the easiest fix for this season, and it'd probably be easier to find a wing on the marker than a C. I'm still not crazy about his or Hayes defensive games down the middle, but whatever.

Also, Sam Reinhart has been a RW for the majority of his career. I don't see him being a C either.

I'd put $$ on it.
 
Alright, let's go. My bonkers offseason plan and then I'm off to bed:

McDonagh to BUF for Reinhart, 1st in '18, and 1st in '19.
Staal + goalie prospect not named Shestyorkin to FLA for Bjugstad and Demers.
Nash @ 50% to NSH for 1st in '18 or '19.
Hayes to MTL for 1st in '18 or '19.
Holden to DAL for Niemi (cap dump), 2nd in '18, 2nd in '19.
Re-sign Smith @ 3 x $4.25MM.
Sign Shattenkirk @ 6 x $6.25MM.
Sign Dadonov @ 2 x $3.5MM.
Leaves you with approx. $2MM working room to start the season.

Kreider-Zibanejad-Buchnevich
Zuccarello-Reinhart-Dadonov
Vesey-Bjugstad-Miller
Grabner-Nieves-Fast

Skjei-Shattenkirk
Smith-DeAngelo
Bereglazov-Demers

Lundqvist
Niemi

2018: 2x 1st round picks , 1x 2nd round picks gained.
2019: 2x 1st round picks, 1x 2nd round picks gained.

Who's with me? :)
Rats. Forgot to re-sign Zib and Fast. Back to the drawing board... :)
 
I'd tell miller he's a center as he should be and time to step up.

Kreider Zibanejad Buchnevich
Nash Miller Zucc
Vesey Hayes Grabner
Glass Nieves/Lias Fast
Puempel (who I've always liked)

Maybe u bring Pirri back as a spare to compete for a spot too. Like him as well in a spare role

Not opposed to shifting Miller over or bringing Pirri back, but our top 6 F pretty weak without Miller, assuming we also trade Nash. I think we will. Also, given the loss of Step and Lindberg, pretty notable that we wouldn't even qualify Pirri. Something going on there for sure. Not just $. ALSO, WTF GET GLASS OFF THAT ROSTER RIGHT NOW
 
Is Smith really worth/going to get over $4m per? he looked ok in his time here but he was in and out of an average DRW lineup all season, and seems to be trending more as a Klein type bottom/middle pairing tweeter rather than a true top pairing guy.

I seriously hope not.
 
Bern, I honestly wonder if you even watch some of the players you hype on this board. When Eichel went down, they played Johan Larsson at C instead of Reinhart. C'mon now, just accept reality: he's been a winger basically his entire NHL career.
 
I seriously hope not.

I kind of feel the same way, but it seems to be the expectation based on a few posts. I know his salary was $3.25m this season, but I can't see how he'd be asking for much more than that based on his play during his last contract
 
I kind of feel the same way, but it seems to be the expectation based on a few posts. I know his salary was $3.25m this season, but I can't see how he'd be asking for much more than that based on his play during his last contract

It's all about supply and demand in UFA. We'll see how it pans out.
 
Miller back to C seems like the easiest fix for this season, and it'd probably be easier to find a wing on the marker than a C. I'm still not crazy about his or Hayes defensive games down the middle, but whatever.

I'm absolutely terrified of Hayes and Miller's defensive games at center. I really don't think this team will risk going into the season with those two at the #2-3 and slots.

As much as I hate the Rangers giving money to free agents, Thornton as a stopgap would probably be a fairly good move.
 
They can and should play hardball with Smith. He was basically the Nick Holden of the DRW before he came here.

Would we be willing to give Nick Holden 4x4.5 for playing like he did a quarter of a season for this team? Seems like a risky investment to me.

Let's see what offers he gets in UFA before giving him a 'market' contract. A Stralman-esque contract seems really unwarranted in this case.
 
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