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Speculation: Roster Building Thread DCLXXXIII:Stepping up next? A Top Ten pick???

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Geoff Gorden said:
Its the opposite of what he should be doing.

Like DB said, I don't exactly see what assets he has to use in a trade. So unless they're planning on banking a bad contract or 2 to take back assets, I see no good that will come of this.

It has RNH written all over it.
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Stepan for RNH is such a lateral move.
 
Raspewtin said:
Why? Have there been any mentions of EDM wanting to move him?
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No, not publicly at least.

They obviously need to shed salary pretty soon and hes likely going to be the next to go.

If not him, it'll be a similar player or worse. I could totally see them taking a shot on a player they're hoping will rebound like Bjugstad.
 
Geoff Gorden said:
Its the opposite of what he should be doing.

Like DB said, I don't exactly see what assets he has to use in a trade. So unless they're planning on banking a bad contract or 2 to take back assets, I see no good that will come of this.

It has RNH written all over it.
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Not necessarily, could be a G with a big cap hit, say Niemi? Niemi + pick/prospect. The bottom teams been successful with such moves, if next year is looking to be a transition year then why not? I'm all for getting good assets if we have the cap space and it doesn't impact young players we want to sign.
 
Pavel Buchnevich said:
Tavares will be a free agent in one season. Islanders haven't improved, they've lost their second best defenseman. They balked at the price for Duchene, Tavares is supposedly waiting to see what the Islanders will do.

Tavares could stay in NY by signing with the Rangers. We could offer him a lot of money. He's one of the best players in the NHL. He'd immediately make us a Cup Contender. Don't ****ing sign Kevin Shattenkirk, Brendan Smith, Joe Thornton this season. Dumb, dumb, dumb. Try to sign Tavares next season. If not, don't use the cap space, and tank.
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Somehow getting Tavares and I said this last night, would be this generations version of our somehow getting Messier back in 1991. I just can't see the Islanders not doing everything in their power to re-sign him tho.

And yes, a Tavares on this team along with an upgraded backend absolutely would make us instant Cup contenders and possibly even team to beat. Stranger things have happened in sports but Tavares coming to the hated Rangers from the Island would have to be one of THE most devastating events a franchise would have to deal with.

Islander fans would literally go insane if this was to occur. And god forbid we ever won a Cup or two with Tavares leading the way, I wouldn't even want to venture how Islander fans would fee. All I will say it would be a very very "dark place".

Anyhow back to reality, seeing JT aint likely coming here. It was a nice fantasy tho while it lasted....:nod:
 
It'll be interesting to see if the Rangers choose to absorb players on July 1st while the teams dealing them try to make runs at free agents. Teams are always in the mix for those guys and perhaps Gorton can squeeze some assets out of a team that would allow them to free up space and make a run at a player.
 
I'd be fine with them taking on a bad contract for assets

I'm holding out hope a Staal trade happens. Staal for Demers is the dream
 
Maximus said:
Somehow getting Tavares and I said this last night, would be this generations version of our somehow getting Messier back in 1991. I just can't see the Islanders not doing everything in their power to re-sign him tho.

And yes, a Tavares on this team along with an upgraded backend absolutely would make us instant Cup contenders and possibly even team to beat. Stranger things have happened in sports but Tavares coming to the hated Rangers from the Island would have to be one of THE most devastating events a franchise would have to deal with.

Islander fans would literally go insane if this was to occur. And god forbid we ever won a Cup or two with Tavares leading the way, I wouldn't even want to venture how Islander fans would fee. All I will say it would be a very very "dark place".

Anyhow back to reality, seeing JT aint likely coming here. It was a nice fantasy tho while it lasted....:nod:
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Tavares is not signing with the Islanders ... that franchise is a disaster. Is he coming here? Who knows. He could go play in Montreal or Toronto ... maybe here? But I doubt he stays with the Isles. As much as we complain about our team ... they are just a disaster.
 
GregSirico said:
Tavares is not signing with the Islanders ... that franchise is a disaster. Is he coming here? Who knows. He could go play in Montreal or Toronto ... maybe here? But I doubt he stays with the Isles. As much as we complain about our team ... they are just a disaster.
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very much doubt JT hits FA
 
Lundsanity30 said:
If the Rangers sign Shattenkirk, I would not sign Smith as well.. They can sign Shatt, extend Zib, Fast and still have quite a few of cap left over for following years.

would play De Angelo with Skjei, and on the PP..

Mcdonagh-Shatt
Skjei-Deangelo

but then we're stuck with Staal/Holden. :help:
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Tha cap doesn't roll over from year to year.
 
The more and more I think about it please don't sign Shatty. I just have a bad feeling with that big empty slot at the top RHD its gonna equate to long term and big money for Shatty. Please no. Of course with Shatty this team is a playoff team again. WIthout him maybe we make it maybe not. Lets be honest are we even getting to the ECF with Shatty?
 
Maximus said:
Who says or has said we aren't going to contend these next two years?

I for sure haven't heard it come from GMJG's mouth. I think Brooksie is wrong in his assessment and to where Gorton is going.

I think he made that deal yesterday to insure Shatty is coming here, the Smith is getting re-signed, that a UFA Center is coming to town(ie...Bonino and/or Hanzel). And I think he'll sign a Anders Nilsson type backup.

I have not seen Gorton be frivolous with money as Cigar used to be as Sather spent money like he was a drunken sailor on shore leave every year. It wasn't until Gorton came on board as Assistant GM and it's no coincidence that the Rangers had their most success and Sather's **** poor UFA moves turned into solid trades....thank you Jeff Gorton.

I don't see anyway, anyhow that Gorton is not going to dive head first into the UFA pool and not come out of it with minimum of 2 if not 4 pieces that we can add to an already solid core and we'll be once again as we usually are one of the top teams in the league. This is New York. There is not a chance in hell they will be going for a total rebuild. You can get away with that on the Island and in Jersey but not here in NYC.

It's our curse as well as our salvation that it's like this. Tho we haven 't won a Cup since '94, these past 11-12 years tho no Cup, have been as fun and exciting as any time I've been a Ranger fan and that stretches back to the golden days of the early 70's when we were elite. It's just the way it is here. We can't do a total break it down and rebuild. We have to do it the way Gorton is doing it and hopefully we'll catch lightning in a bottle.

Let's see what he does. I have a strong suspicion we aren't going to be dissapointed.
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Great ****ing post. THESE are the golden days of this franchise and I get the feeling some of the posters are spoiled little children who want to blow it all up because they have never lived through or have already forgotten the days when we used to be like Arizona, the Devils, Buffalo, Col, etc hoping and begging to make the 8th seed with the season over before the Christmas turkey is out of the ****ing oven.

Let's keep it rolling with youth and speed and not some 38 year old skating-in-sand legend ...
 
Matz03 said:
Not necessarily, could be a G with a big cap hit, say Niemi? Niemi + pick/prospect. The bottom teams been successful with such moves, if next year is looking to be a transition year then why not? I'm all for getting good assets if we have the cap space and it doesn't impact young players we want to sign.
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I mentioned that possibility in my post.

While I think Dallas would buy one or the other out first, I'd be fine with doing that.

That would be smart. Trading for a big ticket player who isn't very good wouldn't be.
 
KOVALEV022473 said:
Tha cap doesn't roll over from year to year.
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I know that, but Shattenkirk, Zib, Fast is maybe 14M of the 20M we have now (23M if Klein retires), that's cap for next year because you didn't sign multi year deals to multiple players, then Nash is gone on top of it, etc.
 
Black Tank said:
Great ****ing post. THESE are the golden days of this franchise and I get the feeling some of the posters are spoiled little children who want to blow it all up because they have never lived through or have already forgotten the days when we used to be like Arizona, the Devils, Buffalo, Col, etc hoping and begging to make the 8th seed with the season over before the Christmas turkey is out of the ****ing oven.

Let's keep it rolling with youth and speed and not some 38 year old skating-in-sand legend ...
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Thornton is 37 and had a 50 point season. 5 less points than Stepan had last year and he will cost less and be a short term stop gap while Andersson and Chytil develop. Enough with the naivety.
 
RGY said:
Thornton is 37 and had a 50 point season. 5 less points than Stepan had last year and he will cost less and be a short term stop gap while Andersson and Chytil develop. Enough with the naivety.
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But didn't he have to have pretty serious knee surgery after season. ACL?
At 37 you are very very old when it comes to that type of surgery. Not easy to recover from.
 
Maximus said:
Who was the player the reporter in the 2nd to last question asked Gorts about in which Gorton said he couldn't even talk about as he was on another team and he still had one or two years left on contract? I was thinking maybe it as Tavares. Did anyone catch that?
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Kovalchuk
 
Shattenkirk will be the big indicator in what direction we are going. If we sign him, expect to see Mac extended to a deal and have those 2 anchor the D for the next 5/6Y. If not, we might go the opposite direction.
 
GregSirico said:
I just think we differ on Philosophy. I agree our D corp has been horrendous ... the trade for DeAngelo + Shatty and Smith and losing Girardi and Klein if he retires and if we can find a taker for Staal ... our defense becomes probably the best in the NHL overnight. But I am just not sold yet on all the kids taking those enormous leaps forward to produce and compete with the big boys in the NHL.

For years we have wanted a big stud forward to lean on for production, we made a trade for Nash, and I think his contract stunk but he's been quite the good player for us. This is where we have missed the boat, we have so many good quality players (depth) but no knockout punch offensively speaking. That is the one thing I have prayed this team finds. My theory is that it's very difficult to win if your first line is not elite. Stepan, I love the guy, but he was more of a 2C on a championship level team. You put him on say Chicago, Washington, Nashville, etc he would thrive in that 2 slot. Here he was asked to be the 1 ... and he was always just a notch below that (that's not an insult to his game.)
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I actually don't think you and I are far off in what we see and need. I'd love to have a studly #1 line like a Panaren,Kane and Anisimov was before AA got hurt. But we don't as we have been a good to great team for too long. Who is going to trade us a studly center like a Getlaf? Probably no one.

The only smidgeon of a possibility that I could forsee is kind of what I eluded to last night and which PBuch picked up upon this afternoon. If somehow, someway the Islanders either can't sign JT or he won't re-sign with them, you'd have to think the Isles would consider trading him for a fortune...right? We all know the Isles wouldn't trade them to us...that's for damn sure. But maybe the Isles would trade him to a team that needed JT as a rental to win the Cup and they knew they couldn't re-sign him..kind of like what the Blues did with Shatty dealing him to the Caps for a small fortune for 2-3 months of play.

The next year, just like Shatty is in play now, maybe JT becomes available and we pounce. Short of that and I do know it's extremely unlikly, I don't see anyone dealing studly #1A centers...I just don't. That's why I think we make due with a Bonino type for now and plug the backend up and we hope for the best. Not sure what else to do cause let's be real as I've said and a few others have said, we are not in the tanking business here in NY. We re-tool on the fly and we hope to catch a break and get lucky with some of these kids we got and maybe a miracle occurs like a JT becomes so fed up with Islanders he somehow becomes available.

I'd love another Cup before I die..I really would. But if it's in the cards for the Rangers to just be a very good to great team that has outside chances each year to win a Cup 95% of the time, than I'll take that. I'm not a Cup or bust guy. I want to be entertained and I want my team to competitive, playoff worthy and capable if the chips fall right to make a long playoff run every now and again and maybe even get to a Cup final and win it.

And so far the Rangers have checked all the boxes for me in my 45 years following them. Gorton is going to once again check all the boxes again this year and we'll likely be very good but come up short. We just got to hope to get lucky and maybe a Cup contender gets some bad injuries or something.
 
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