Speculation: Roster Building Thread DCLXXVIII: Down to the wire!

[GoAwayPanarin]

IF the NYR and AZ come to an agreement, I think Strome will be the main piece. Not sure how to feel about that.

I can't see Dvorak or Domi going. Add Step basically to LY's roster.

Strome, DeAngelo/Fischer, #23

If its Fischer, I don't think thats terrible. I'd be willing to push pick #21 on them if it meant getting #7 back, there will be a good player to pick at that spot.

Strome, Fisher and Liljegren/Glass/Pettersson would be a very nice haul.

Fischer reminds me so much of Toffoli. I'd love to have him.

 

[silverfish]

"The Ducks are in great shape here's why" thread has to win the award for Jinx of the year

They still think they're in great shape. That LVGK and the Ducks are going to help each other in this situation.

Makes no sense to me. How dumb is McPhee? He can't be that dumb.

I don't even hate the Ducks, I just really dislike the way their fans are so optimistic when they have no reason to be, and I want to watch the world burn

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Going by the recent-most trades of 25-ish centers, I'd say Stepan is worth two prospects and a pick.

People are going to point to Stepan's point totals, but only 29 centers produced more at 5v5 than he did, and his 5v5 p/60 was higher than Duchene's.

Arizona wont move Keller, Dvorak or Perlini. Duclair regressed, Crouse and Strome didn't show much considering the strength and production of the 2015 lottery picks. Fischer is a stud and likely on the top of a lot of request lists. Merkley is nothing special. Looke is OK.

A good move IMO would be Fischer, Kudla/Hickey and #23. Very similar to the RoR trade

I don't see any way for the NYR to justify the deal without a top tier prospect or NHL player coming back. Domi/Dvorak/Strome/Keller.

Totally understandable that the Yotes may be unwilling to part with that. But one of those is a bare minimum for me to be ok with a Stepan trade.

 

[LaffyTaffy]

They still think they're in great shape. That LVGK and the Ducks are going to help each other in this situation.

Makes no sense to me. How dumb is McPhee? He can't be that dumb.

I don't even hate the Ducks, I just really dislike the way their fans are so optimistic when they have no reason to be, and I want to watch the world burn

You are some men

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Going by the recent-most trades of 25-ish centers, I'd say Stepan is worth two prospects and a pick.

People are going to point to Stepan's point totals, but only 29 centers produced more at 5v5 than he did, and his 5v5 p/60 was higher than Duchene's.

Arizona wont move Keller, Dvorak or Perlini. Duclair regressed, Crouse and Strome didn't show much considering the strength and production of the 2015 lottery picks. Fischer is a stud and likely on the top of a lot of request lists. Merkley is nothing special. Looke is OK.

A good move IMO would be Fischer, Kudla/Hickey and #23. Very similar to the RoR trade

I don't think this is really a great comparison...

Not only did RoR not want to stay in Colorado, the Avs had to move him because they couldn't afford him.

Rangers have more leverage. They don't need to move Stepan.

 

[LaffyTaffy]

I may be wrong but I think Gorton didnt pull the trigger on a Stepan trade yet because he needs to see if Vegas takes Lindberg. Realisticallly we can't trade Stepan for futures unless we keep Lindberg and have 3 definite Centers ready for next season. Then again we do have a #1 C in Nieves but ya know Jokes aside i think that if Vegas takes Lindberg theres a much higher chance that Stepan stays and potentially Kreider goes as a surprise deal. For the right package ofcourse.

 

[AlternateSideParking]

I don't see any way for the NYR to justify the deal without a top tier prospect or NHL player coming back. Domi/Dvorak/Strome/Keller.

Totally understandable that the Yotes may be unwilling to part with that. But one of those is a bare minimum for me to be ok with a Stepan trade.

Fischer is a top-tier prospect. Easily.

 

[Anthony5967]

I may be wrong but I think Gorton didnt pull the trigger on a Stepan trade yet because he needs to see if Vegas takes Lindberg. Realisticallly we can't trade Stepan for futures unless we keep Lindberg and have 3 definite Centers ready for next season. Then again we do have a #1 C in Nieves but ya know Jokes aside i think that if Vegas takes Lindberg theres a much higher chance that Stepan stays and potentially Kreider goes as a surprise deal. For the right package ofcourse.

great point

 

[Anthony5967]

Fischer is a top-tier prospect. Easily.

Better than vesey or Jt Mills?

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

They really have no reason to do either of those teams a solid, which is why I don't understand the whole "pre expansion draft agreement" stuff.

They aren't obligated to uphold that and they'd be dumb not to sniff around and see what they can get for players have been exposed by the Ducks, Wild and Isles.

Same with the Islanders to not take Strome or CDH.

Yup, Vegas is going to be swimming in futures wither way

Better be a ****ing ransom. Especially from the Ducks. Why should McPhee do any favors to a division rival?

If I'm McPhee, I'm telling the Ducks to give me an asset and I'm taking Vatanen, otherwise I'm taking Manson. No chance in hell I don't take either, unless again of course, I get paid a ransom to select Kerdiles, or some ****.

The main board thread hurts my head to read. Ducks fans are just as clueless, and acting like they know haha

It's just like when they said Bieska would undoubtedly waive for the draft. How'd that work out for them?

 

[Irishguy42]

I may be wrong but I think Gorton didnt pull the trigger on a Stepan trade yet because he needs to see if Vegas takes Lindberg. Realisticallly we can't trade Stepan for futures unless we keep Lindberg and have 3 definite Centers ready for next season. Then again we do have a #1 C in Nieves but ya know Jokes aside i think that if Vegas takes Lindberg theres a much higher chance that Stepan stays and potentially Kreider goes as a surprise deal. For the right package ofcourse.

This is right on the money. Same points go for the teams the Rangers are negotiating a Stepan trade with. They want to see where the dust settles post-expansion draft to see if they really need Stepan or not.

 

[LaffyTaffy]

Another thing i just realized with all this talk of us trying to get Vegas to take Manson for us, what if Arizona gets Vegas to take Raanta for them? That would really get me tight.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

I may be wrong but I think Gorton didnt pull the trigger on a Stepan trade yet because he needs to see if Vegas takes Lindberg. Realisticallly we can't trade Stepan for futures unless we keep Lindberg and have 3 definite Centers ready for next season. Then again we do have a #1 C in Nieves but ya know Jokes aside i think that if Vegas takes Lindberg theres a much higher chance that Stepan stays and potentially Kreider goes as a surprise deal. For the right package ofcourse.

Unless of course they are getting a C in return in the trade....

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I may be wrong but I think Gorton didnt pull the trigger on a Stepan trade yet because he needs to see if Vegas takes Lindberg. Realisticallly we can't trade Stepan for futures unless we keep Lindberg and have 3 definite Centers ready for next season. Then again we do have a #1 C in Nieves but ya know Jokes aside i think that if Vegas takes Lindberg theres a much higher chance that Stepan stays and potentially Kreider goes as a surprise deal. For the right package ofcourse.

I don't think that Lindberg is going to have a drastic effect on what they want to do with Stepan.

He's the piece I want to lose the least, but they can fill Lindberg's spot via free agency with out spending a ton of dollars. Plus If they get a center back in the Stepan deal, they'll basically be set at C for the top 9.

 

[Fugazy]

I may be wrong but I think Gorton didnt pull the trigger on a Stepan trade yet because he needs to see if Vegas takes Lindberg. Realisticallly we can't trade Stepan for futures unless we keep Lindberg and have 3 definite Centers ready for next season. Then again we do have a #1 C in Nieves but ya know Jokes aside i think that if Vegas takes Lindberg theres a much higher chance that Stepan stays and potentially Kreider goes as a surprise deal. For the right package ofcourse.

That's a good point. Gorton might be waiting for the market and roster spots to figure themselves out before he starts moving players in and out.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

I just bought my Oscar Lindberg player shirt from the NHL shop, and I am sad

 

[Matt Rentfree]

I may be wrong but I think Gorton didnt pull the trigger on a Stepan trade yet because he needs to see if Vegas takes Lindberg. Realisticallly we can't trade Stepan for futures unless we keep Lindberg and have 3 definite Centers ready for next season. Then again we do have a #1 C in Nieves but ya know Jokes aside i think that if Vegas takes Lindberg theres a much higher chance that Stepan stays and potentially Kreider goes as a surprise deal. For the right package ofcourse.

But if he traded Stepan, couldn't he have used the vacated protection slot for Lindberg?

 

[LaffyTaffy]

Unless of course they are getting a C in return in the trade....

Agreed but Gorton will not move Stepan for a lateral C, theres no reason to. It will either be an upgrade in which we add or a downgrade in which we take on a few good futures. Dont forget Stepan does not suck, he has been a really good ranger and we are not trying to move him for the sake of moving him. If we are getting a Center back it will not be a Stepan 2.0

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

But if he traded Stepan, couldn't he have used the vacated protection slot for Lindberg?

Assuming whatever assets brought back were expansion exempt, yes they could have

 

[Irishguy42]

But if he traded Stepan, couldn't he have used the vacated protection slot for Lindberg?

Depends. What if a F coming back in the trade is worth protecting over Lindberg?

It's just easier to do it afterwards.

 

[LaffyTaffy]

But if he traded Stepan, couldn't he have used the vacated protection slot for Lindberg?

Not if he acquired a player in need of protection in that trade, unless ofcourse that player would have been a Dman in which case Holden would be unprotected and Lindberg would be.

 

[AlternateSideParking]

Better than vesey or Jt Mills?

About the same. Was 32nd overall in the deepest draft in 12 years, almost a PPG as an AHL rookie and 3 goals in 7 NHL games. Has size, skills and shot. Plus he's a winger who acts like a center.

He may be as untouchable as Perlini, Keller and Dvorak.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Is Manson Dave Mansons son? If so is he tough like his dad?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Yup, Vegas is going to be swimming in futures wither way




The main board thread hurts my head to read. Ducks fans are just as clueless, and acting like they know haha

It's just like when they said Bieska would undoubtedly waive for the draft. How'd that work out for them?

It's almost as bad as when every Devil fan became a lawyer during the Kovalchuk saga.


This is not going to end well for Anaheim.

 

[LaffyTaffy]

Is Manson Dave Mansons son? If so is he tough like his dad?

Yes he is and i am not sure if he is as tough but he certainly has the build to be. 6'3 216