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jas said:
You underplay that Bobby Mac has reported multiple suitors for Stepan.

Gorton may be 'motivated' to move Stepan, but, the indication is that he has many options, which would naturally drive the price for Stepan. As long as he doesn't overplay his hand, I think most of us won't be disappointed with the return.
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Your comment implies that you dont think Duchene has multiple suitors
 
jas said:
Aside from Bern, I think very few will be disappointed if Stepan is still here. It means at worst, Gorton didn't make a bad deal.

And frankly, Infind a lot of the speculation to be fun. The Stepan trade talk didn't come up out of thin air. When Bobby Mac says quite a few teams are discussing Stepan, I consider it valid. At the end of the day, all that concerns me is that, if Stepan gets dealt, the return needs to be a good one. I will be very satisfied with a return that includes both Strome and the 7th pick, especially since Strome has the 'silverfish' seal of approval.
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I think I'll be disappointed if Stepan is still here along with everyone else. The team needs a shakeup, I'm not a fan of another season treading water.

That said I don't want trades just for the sake of trades, they need to be good ones, but if they don't happen I'll be disappointed that the Rangers couldn't make it work with some other teams.
 
bleedblue94 said:
Your comment implies that you dont think Duchene has multiple suitors
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I dont understand why some people on here talk bad about duchene...

I think hes a player every team wants. Speedy highly skilled center.
If he was a UFA i think every team would be looking at him.
The other things like contract cost and trade piece cost and team needs are what are limiting his suitors.

Nothing to do with him as a player
 
Hire Sather said:
Thousands upon thousands of pages have gone to waste in these roster building threads with the ridiculousness that gets proposed over and over again with slight varations.
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I keep coming in here to see if there's any actual news, but then I see it's just a variation of Stepan/Raanta for the 7th/23rd/Strome/Dvorak with minor variations. Amazing that this many pages can be devoted to this.
 
Lorb said:
Sakic has immense interest for Duchene as well. Everyone who inquires about Stepan would naturally also have inquired about Duchene. The Islanders are very interested as were the Habs. That didn't manage to drive Duchene's price up to the ask that y'all are looking for. Stepan may be bald and look ancient but he's not a piece of 2,000 year old art work that can be bidded up to 10X the asking price at an auction.
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I don't think this is true.

Along with the risk of acquiring a player who has actually showed signs of decline (Duchene has lost a step), you're also trading for a guy who is a UFA in 2 years and can bolt from his next destination if its not a place of his liking.

Stepan is locked up for 4 years. For a market like Arizona or even Vegas, thats much more enticing. I'd be shocked if either of those teams were on Duchene.

St. Louis really needs a C too and Nashville could use one as well, but I doubt Colorado trades Duchene inside of the division.


Not a stretch to say that the Rangers have more options with Stepan.
 
Capt McDonut said:
I dont understand why some people on here talk bad about duchene...

I think hes a player every team wants. Speedy highly skilled center.
If he was a UFA i think every team would be looking at him.
The other things like contract cost and trade piece cost and team needs are what are limiting his suitors.

Nothing to do with him as a player
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I'm not talking bad about him at all.

I'm making the point that when he is defending his expectations on a stepan trade, which are right in line with the same expectations Sakic has/had on a Dushene trade, but his defense for the inflated expectations for the Stepan deal is that "Stepan has multiple suitors," as if Dushene doesn't.
 
Geoff Gorden said:
I don't think this is true.

Along with the risk of acquiring a player who has actually showed signs of decline (Duchene has lost a step), you're also trading for a guy who is a UFA in 2 years and can bolt from his next destination if its not a place of his liking.

Stepan is locked up for 4 years. For a market like Arizona or even Vegas, thats much more enticing. I'd be shocked if either of those teams were on Duchene.

St. Louis really needs a C too and Nashville could use one as well, but I doubt Colorado trades Duchene inside of the division.


Not a stretch to say that the Rangers have more options with Stepan.
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Stepan has lost a step as well, let's not avoid saying that when comparing stepan w dushene and stating dushene has lost a step...
 
Chris Johnston
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George McPhee: "We're going to have to move some defencemen because we're going to claim a bunch."
 
bleedblue94 said:
I'm not talking bad about him at all.

I'm making the point that when he is defending his expectations on a stepan trade, which are right in line with the same expectations Sakic has/had on a Dushane trade, but his defense for the inflated expectations for the Stepan deal is that "Stepan has multiple suitors," as if Dushane doesn't.
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Frankly, I made no judgement about Duchene and his value. I would suggest that he has the same value as Stepan.

But, there are still more suitors than there are teams with desired asset (Stepan and Duchene). The advantage still remains with Gorton (and Sakic).
 
Capt McDonut said:
Bring Tanner Back

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I will not be shocked to see that at some point. We see it for almost every Ranger we let go of at some point.
 
Lorb said:
Sakic has immense interest for Duchene as well. Everyone who inquires about Stepan would naturally also have inquired about Duchene. The Islanders are very interested as were the Habs. That didn't manage to drive Duchene's price up to the ask that y'all are looking for. Stepan may be bald and look ancient but he's not a piece of 2,000 year old art work that can be bidded up to 10X the asking price at an auction.
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All it would take is 2 motivated buyers. :)
 
I think the only people mentioning Stepan's hairline are the guys pushing for him to stay.

It's not about him being old or bad, it's about changing the core. Nash will be gone soon but thats not enough. McDonagh is too important, Miller/Kreider/Skjei are the new core and shouldnt be moved for anything less than an upgrade. There is massive resistance to moving Zuccarello. So what gives?

It's basically Stepan or kick the can further down the road. Don't know why people's opinions need to be reduced to some sort of vanity complex.
 
bleedblue94 said:
Stepan has lost a step as well, let's not avoid saying that when comparing stepan w dushene but stating dushene has lost a step...
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Except he hasn't.

People come up with bogus criticisms when it comes to Stepan because he sucked in the playoffs. He was no slower during the post season than he was in the regular season, he wasn't out of shape, etc. If he had gone a point per game, I bet you wouldn't be saying this either.

Check out his goal in game 2 in the Senators series and tell me that hes lost a step - because he looked like the normally looks on that goal.

Duchene was clearly slower than normal last season and it wasn't an effort thing. Thats a pretty significant red flag IYAM.

But this wasn't really about that. Who are the suitors for Duchene? We know the Isles and Montreal (who dont really have many bullets left, or a D to send the other way.) Carolina? Am I missing anyone?
 
chrisnyr said:
Chris Johnston
✔ ‎@reporterchris

George McPhee: "We're going to have to move some defencemen because we're going to claim a bunch."
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There goes that silly theory that vegas was going to claim all the backups and turn them into a return that isn't the standard palty trade. They'll have 2 complete sets of defensemen that are better than 1/3 of the league baring some massive ransom from Anaheim and Minnesota.
 
Gardner McKay said:
"Would you give a **** what kind of pants the son of a ***** who shot you was wearing?" :laugh:

I love this time of year. For even a fleeting moment, some of the most unrealistic scenarios can become plausible.
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Haha our biological clocks are ticking till wednesday night.

RE: his trade proposals:

Trade A for B then Flip B for C + D than take C+X+Y to get F+G+Z.

By the time he is done 10% of the NHL has changed hands on one chain reaction trade.
 
Ail said:
Yeah until none of it happens and everyone has crippling depression for the entire summer knowing they will ice essentially the same roster minus a player or two.
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Based on the comments around here from last season, if those two players are Girardi and Glass... shouldn't that make these boards the happiest they have ever been?
 
Capt McDonut said:
Stepan losing a step vs Duchene losing a step is completely different.
Stepan is already about a step away from brad richards speed
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completely agree, hence people crapping on sakic for his want on dushene, but saying they want the same type of package for stepan are being completely irrational.

of course they don't have to trade stepan, like sakic doesn't have to trade dushene, but it appears both teams want to move on and continue to make moves to the core of their team.
 
silverfish said:
I have extremely unrealistic expectations of a return when trading Stepan to the point where the 7th OA and Strome wouldn't be enough for me. I see you also said the word 'includes' in the above, I just want to make that abundantly clear for everyone else :)

I want a king's ransom.

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Oh. Bravo with that .gif. :bow:

I wouldn't be upset at more than that. I also don't think should be surprising if Gorton did get more than the 7th + Strome.
 
DutchShamrock said:
I think the only people mentioning Stepan's hairline are the guys pushing for him to stay.

It's not about him being old or bad, it's about changing the core. Nash will be gone soon but thats not enough. McDonagh is too important, Miller/Kreider/Skjei are the new core and shouldnt be moved for anything less than an upgrade. There is massive resistance to moving Zuccarello. So what gives?

It's basically Stepan or kick the can further down the road. Don't know why people's opinions need to be reduced to some sort of vanity complex.
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We had a guy in the 90s who was bald and wore a letter, boy did he suck
 
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