Speculation: Roster Building Thread 2019-20: Part XXVIII

[pld459666]

Agreed. They won't give up two of their highest ranked prospects for two UFA's.

It would look more like Kreider (UFA) and Strome (RFA) for Kyrou, Kostin, bottom 6 roster fodder/cap dump.

They'll want at least one controllable asset in addition to Kreider.

And, TBH, I'd do that deal

 

[Bruner4329]

It's pretty telling of our forward depth when when these are the names talked about for a call up.

Yeah buts lets trade CK anyway when we have no one that can come remotely close to replace him 25-30 goal scorers don't grow on trees and not in this organization. We need to establish a foundation and we also need some vets. Draft picks are a flip of the coin. Remember Lias? How is that working out? And please before people jump all over this there were a bunch of you suggesting he would be a second line center coming into this year even though he played like crap last year in Hartford.

 

[pld459666]

Nobody hates him. But he has fallen back to earth despite continuously playing with Panarin. I think fans just don’t want to give him a big contract and I agree with that. Other than that I like Strome

Strome is not a 70+ point player.

Never has been and never will be.

Hes had a sluggish few games, but that's what inconsistent non-elite players do.

He easily have 15+ points in the last 28 games giving him close to 60 points.

Even if he was 45-50+ points per year ghy, that's easily worth 5x5

 

[Blue Blooded]

Not sure what you are referring to, but Pionk is like ranked 50th in 5 on 5 scoring.

D scoring can be very affected by environment and usage. I think TDA up until fairly recently did an extremely good job creating offense — without — playing in a strong environment. We have rotated 3 RDs on the top PP.

But I do find it a bit funny that we now are trashing Pionk for not being top 10-20 in the league in ES scoring, recently he wasn’t even deemed to be a NHLer.

I think those who drew the conclusion that Pionk wasn’t a NHLer or even the worst D in the league should reconsider how they analyze such things. JMHO.

Pionk is 118 of 171 defencemen with 500+ minutes in 5v5 P/60 this year. Last year he was 148 of 161 with 800+ minutes.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Pionk still stinks. There, I said it.

 

[Alluckks]

Playoff "push".

7-8 in last 15. This three goalie rotation thing is clearly working.

Young team - inconsistency is a part of that. As is trying to do too much, making fancy passes that aren't there, risky pinches, etc... This is about what we should have expected.

I'm more about being "in" the playoff race so the younger players can go through the experience/pressure of HAVING to win every night than I am about them actually making it.

Going to be an interesting deadline.

I could not agree with this sentiment more

 

[NYRangers0723]

Strome is not a 70+ point player.

Never has been and never will be.

Hes had a sluggish few games, but that's what inconsistent non-elite players do.

He easily have 15+ points in the last 28 games giving him close to 60 points.

Even if he was 45-50+ points per year ghy, that's easily worth 5x5

Where did I ever say he was a 70 point player? I’m pretty sure I said I like Strome but If I had to choose between him and Kreider I’d easily choose Kreider because it’s much much tougher to replace what he brings

 

[theFiGS]

Anyone having this infolinks box blocking exerything it's messing with my comments..sorry maybe my tablet will work better

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Are you telling me that you think Neal Pionk is the best PP defenceman in the NHL over the past 15 years, but somehow cannot generate scoring at even strength?

5v4 scoring since he came into the league:
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Only defencemen:
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Are you on something? When did I say that?

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Pionk can’t hold DeAngelo’s jock.

that was clear when he was here, even more so now that he isn’t. I don’t know what DeAngelo did to KreiderBomb but I’m sure he’s sorry

I love DeAngelo's offensive game. I just find it funny that some here think he is the next coming of Leetch, and by that logic they werent allowed to like Pionk because you cant like both so Pionk sucks! Last year it was Pionk is only good offensively, but that apparently doesnt apply to Tony because you cant say anything negative about the great Tony so we should probably pay him whatever he wants to stay. Now its Trouba that's starting to get bashed, it's hilarious to me. Nothing against Tony it's the blind man crush that's going on that's funny.

 

[SA16]

Pionk is not good offensively. He's a good skater. He's capable of passing to better players on the PP (a role many players can do) and is far below average at generating 5v5 offense.

 

[egelband]

Fighting/wrestling with the much bigger Ross the Boss probably not good and contributed greatly to that injury and maybe the main cause for it . I for one did not envy his job that he faced that night nor would most on here having to dance with Ross J.

Good point. If I remember correctly, didn’t Haley kind of tie him up but then the guy started hitting him with body blows? Even the announcers were surprised a guy would resort to kidney punches.

 

[NYRangers0723]

I love DeAngelo's offensive game. I just find it funny that some here think he is the next coming of Leetch, and by that logic they werent allowed to like Pionk because you cant like both so Pionk sucks! Last year it was Pionk is only good offensively, but that apparently doesnt apply to Tony because you cant say anything negative about the great Tony so we should probably pay him whatever he wants to stay. Now its Trouba that's starting to get bashed, it's hilarious to me. Nothing against Tony it's the blind man crush that's going on that's funny

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But you are doing the same thing when somebody criticized Strome. Look I like Tony but I have no problem calling him out when he plays bad like last night. However overall Tony has had a tremendous year

 

[I Eat Crow]

You must think he's pretty good.

What's his upside?

Top 6 forward that probably tops out as a 2nd liner but can spot duty on the top line. I see him more effective as a RW rather than a center at the NHL level.

That's excellent value for two or three months worth of Kreider.

 

[egelband]

Why do they need to call someone up right now? Although Lettieri probably deserves a look too.

My persistent disclaimer on Lettieri. Please, NYR, if you bring him up, play him in the top six. He can’t grind. Can’t play defensively. But he could probably do a good job getting open in the offensive zone and shooting lasers. That’s his legit weapon. Use it.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

But you are doing the same thing when somebody criticized Strome. Look I like Tony but I have no problem calling him out when he plays bad like last night. However overall Tony has had a tremendous year

Yes I agree, Whats your point? Strome has too. Problem is everyone wants Strome to be Crosby or something...I'm fine with him playing like this, he has earned every penny we gave him and more. Has been a pleasant surprise since we dumped Spooner for him, a wonderful trade. He has played well and all everyone does is crap on him. We cant even replace McKegg on this team from the minors let alone a guy like Strome.

 

[SA16]

I would play Lettieri on the 4th line give him about 3 minutes/game and use him in the left circle on the PP2.

 

[NYRangers0723]

Yes I agree, Whats your point? Strome has too. Problem is everyone wants Strome to be Crosby or something...I'm fine with him playing like this, he has earned every penny we gave him and more. Has been a pleasant surprise since we dumped Spooner for him, a wonderful trade. He has played well and all everyone does is crap on him.

Nobody has ever said they want him to be Crosby. I like Strome but he had one really good stretch but has been pretty absent for the past month

 

[egelband]

this is disingenuous

Kreider has 5 less minor penalties taken than Strome and has drawn 11 more than Strome. Stromes penalties are almost exclusively stick penalties and he has one of the worst penalty differentials for forwards in the league. he’s extremely lazy and undisciplined and it’s not at all because he’s chippy and involved.

True about his engagement on defense. Never stands out and I can see why people would call him out. He doesn’t seem to have his ‘head in it’ on defense. On offense I think he had a few good chances last night and was fine. Just slumping.
All that said, I don’t think he’s a long term solution. In fact I don’t believe teams can really afford ‘long term solutions’ in the bottom six. Those spots mostly need to be filled with ELC types. And now Strome’s value is probably at its peak.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Nobody has ever said they want him to be Crosby. I like Strome but he had one really good stretch but has been pretty absent for the past month

The whole team has been. As I said before, with Fast on that line if one of Strome or Panarin have a bad game then there is only one good player on the line.
Btw it's my contention that we will be better when Fast, Strome, and Buchnevich are in the bottom 6. Right now that cant happen due to our forward depth or lack there of

 

[NYRangers0723]

The whole team has been. As I said before, with Fast on that line if one of Strome or Panarin have a bad game then there is only one good player on the line.

Well I agree Fast doesn’t have big offensive ability but he had been good. I think Strome is what he is and that’s ok. I just feel trading him for something is better than giving him a big deal especially with Chytil taking a nice step forward

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Well I agree Fast doesn’t have big offensive ability but he had been good. I think Strome is what he is and that’s ok. I just feel trading him for something is better than giving him a big deal especially with Chytil taking a nice step forward

Why is he getting a big deal? He is Rfa, nobody is giving him 6 or 7 mill a year. He finally found a fit, he is actually the last player I'd worry about paying.
Regarding Fast, ya he is good defensively but tell me if you were playing that line who you would leave open and who you would pressure? It makes it easy to contain that line if you do what Buffalo did last night, shadow Panarin and Strome and leave Fast alone. Add another scoring threat to the line and it frees up some space. I'm unsure why they wont put Kakko there.

 

[egelband]

Strome is not a 70+ point player.

Never has been and never will be.

Hes had a sluggish few games, but that's what inconsistent non-elite players do.

He easily have 15+ points in the last 28 games giving him close to 60 points.

Even if he was 45-50+ points per year ghy, that's easily worth 5x5

All true. But I think that for a team with Cup aspirations he’s a third liner and a team with Cup aspirations probably can’t afford to pay $5m for a third liner. I would much rather pay $6m for a legit top sixer like Kreider than $4-5m for Strome.

(I appreciate that Kreider may demand more).

 

[Shesterkybomb]

All true. But I think that for a team with Cup aspirations he’s a third liner and a team with Cup aspirations probably can’t afford to pay $5m for a third liner. I would much rather pay $6m for a legit top sixer like Kreider than $4-5m for Strome.

(I appreciate that Kreider may demand more).

Age is also a factor. Give Kreider 7 or 8 years and he is 36-37 at the end of it.

 

[rangers1314]

Chris Johnson says he expects CK/NYR to talk extension.