Speculation: Roster Building Thread 2019-20: Part XXVII

[Shesterkybomb]

I'm not complaining about acquiring Trouba, I'm not. But everyone and their dog knew he wanted to play here, couldnt we have gotten him for 7 mill a year? Same goes for Hank, I hated that last contract from day one, I always thought his contract was good when he was paid at 6.5, he never wanted to leave New York, why did we give him top dollar and term. Brad Richards, Martin st.louis( he was under contract but Tampa needed to move him and he would only go to NY, why did we pay so much to acquire him?). The only time it seems as though we drew a line in the sand was with Panarin,he got handsomely paid but he took less to play here. To my point, Kreider says he wants to stay here, is a ranger etc etc etc. Well show it, 4 years 6 mill gets it done I'm almost positive of it. Teams like tampa use their tax savings as a tool, we really need to push the "New York is the greatest city in the world" and "We could trade you to Winnipeg" narrative in these deals.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Also, if I'm NY Kreider and Buch are both available, I like Buchnevich's offensive abilities but from the day he got here AV called him out on being weak and he hasnt gotten any stronger on his skates since then. He isnt a top 6 player on a good team, yet his defense and turnovers make him unable to do bottom 6. It's time. I saw more battle in DiGuseppe than half the team in one game. Might be time to start cutting the guys that haven't gotten it done.

 

[SA16]

Phx would look like the biggest idiots if they did that. GM should be fired immediately if the hall trade failed that bad.

Why should the GM be fired because he decided to trade hall a second time than keep him and let him leave in FA if the team didn't play better? Was it the GMs fault both Raanta and Kuemper got hurt?

 

[RGY]

I'm not complaining about acquiring Trouba, I'm not. But everyone and their dog knew he wanted to play here, couldnt we have gotten him for 7 mill a year? Same goes for Hank, I hated that last contract from day one, I always thought his contract was good when he was paid at 6.5, he never wanted to leave New York, why did we give him top dollar and term. Brad Richards, Martin st.louis( he was under contract but Tampa needed to move him and he would only go to NY, why did we pay so much to acquire him?). The only time it seems as though we drew a line in the sand was with Panarin,he got handsomely paid but he took less to play here. To my point, Kreider says he wants to stay here, is a ranger etc etc etc. Well show it, 4 years 6 mill gets it done I'm almost positive of it. Teams like tampa use their tax savings as a tool, we really need to push the "New York is the greatest city in the world" and "We could trade you to Winnipeg" narrative in these deals.

Thats just not how it works. Theres so many factors at the time each contract is signed. Market value, teams interested, comparable contracts, trending contract salaries, importance to a team, trending cap... you cant say well why couldnt Hank just sign for $1-2 million less. He loves NY so why not? The Rangers had no replacement for Hank ready had he not signed an extension when he did. They had no idea what Igor would be at that time. He was an elite goaltender than. And you know what, he hasnt been terrible in the last 2 years. The team in front of him has been atrocious. Same is said for Trouba. The parameters are not all equal. Panarin “left money on the table” so Trouba should have also. Nope. 25 year old RHD Defenseman. A serious and glaring need for this team for years.

Some contract negotiations you “win”, some you don’t. No use in nitpicking it for years.

Also the disdain and constant jabs at Hank are so incredibly distasteful. (Not directed at you @KreiderBomb)

 

[Kovalev27]

Taylor Hall seems like kryptonite to winning. This is a bad bad look for him. I wouldn’t touch him this summer

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Thats just not how it works. Theres so many factors at the time each contract is signed. Market value, teams interested, comparable contracts, trending contract salaries, importance to a team, trending cap... you cant say well why couldnt Hank just sign for $1-2 million less. He loves NY so why not? The Rangers had no replacement for Hank ready had he not signed an extension when he did. They had no idea what Igor would be at that time. He was an elite goaltender than. And you know what, he hasnt been terrible in the last 2 years. The team in front of him has been atrocious. Same is said for Trouba. The parameters are not all equal. Panarin “left money on the table” so Trouba should have also. Nope. 25 year old RHD Defenseman. A serious and glaring need for this team for years.

Some contract negotiations you “win”, some you don’t. No use in nitpicking it for years.

Also the disdain and constant jabs at Hank are so incredibly distasteful. (Not directed at you @KreiderBomb)

They did have a replacement at the time for Hank, Talbot. To be honest I was on board keeping Talbot over Hank at the time because of his cap hit, I still believe Allaire would have kept improving Cam had they stayed together. They should have told him, you wanna get paid like a top star or do you wanna play where you are happy, you love it here, we need cap space to win and when you retire a ranger we will give you a job with the organization. If they had of gotten Hank cheap they could have used his example others to say, look hank took a discount so we could add pieces we need to win you need to do the same.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Taylor Hall seems like kryptonite to winning. This is a bad bad look for him. I wouldn’t touch him this summer

I have been saying that the last few years and people here chastised me for it. He is part of the problem wherever he goes.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Thats just not how it works. Theres so many factors at the time each contract is signed. Market value, teams interested, comparable contracts, trending contract salaries, importance to a team, trending cap... you cant say well why couldnt Hank just sign for $1-2 million less. He loves NY so why not? The Rangers had no replacement for Hank ready had he not signed an extension when he did. They had no idea what Igor would be at that time. He was an elite goaltender than. And you know what, he hasnt been terrible in the last 2 years. The team in front of him has been atrocious. Same is said for Trouba. The parameters are not all equal. Panarin “left money on the table” so Trouba should have also. Nope. 25 year old RHD Defenseman. A serious and glaring need for this team for years.

Some contract negotiations you “win”, some you don’t. No use in nitpicking it for years.

Also the disdain and constant jabs at Hank are so incredibly distasteful. (Not directed at you @KreiderBomb)

Also, Trouba wasnt going anywhere for 1 mill a year. He was focused on NY for his wife's career. As I said before we need to use New York as a selling point, we shouldnt have to pay players market value to live in the greatest city in the world. Think about it, we pay players the same or more to play here as they do in Winnipeg and Arizona! Call someone's bluff and see what happens, we did it with Panarin and he still came, I think Hank would have stayed, i think Trouba would have signed and i believe it would have saved us roughly 2 mill and probably a year of Hank. I'm also against full no moves when players are getting top dollar, I mean what are we getting in return for paying top dollar, top term and adding full no move clauses? Bent over.

 

[RGY]

They did have a replacement at the time for Hank, Talbot. To be honest I was on board keeping Talbot over Hank at the time because of his cap hit, I still believe Allaire would have kept improving Cam had they stayed together. They should have told him, you wanna get paid like a top star or do you wanna play where you are happy, you love it here, we need cap space to win and when you retire a ranger we will give you a job with the organization. If they had of gotten Hank cheap they could have used his example others to say, look hank took a discount so we could add pieces we need to win you need to do the same.

C’mon you cannot be serious about Talbot being a suitable replacement. He has been an average goaltender since his departure, if that. The Rangers signed Hank to the extension in the midst of the season they went to the cup. There was no shot in hell they were moving on from an elite franchise goaltender when their window was open. Please be realistic and logical here. Talbot...laughable

 

[RGY]

Also, Trouba wasnt going anywhere for 1 mill a year. He was focused on NY for his wife's career. As I said before we need to use New York as a selling point, we shouldnt have to pay players market value to live in the greatest city in the world. Think about it, we pay players the same or more to play here as they do in Winnipeg and Arizona!

We are griping about $1 million a year? $1 million a year overpaid (which is debatable if he is or not) is not something to harp on. A lot of us would have been ok with $7.5 AAV. The win would have been $7 aav. Just because his wife wanted to work in a major city does not mean he wouldve signed the extension and not tested free agency. You dont trade a 1st round pick for a guy and then risk him walking.

 

[Inferno]

I have been saying that the last few years and people here chastised me for it. He is part of the problem wherever he goes.

He basically single handedly dragged the devil's to the playoffs in a year he definitely deserved the hart.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

C’mon you cannot be serious about Talbot being a suitable replacement. He has been an average goaltender since his departure, if that. The Rangers signed Hank to the extension in the midst of the season they went to the cup. There was no shot in hell they were moving on from an elite franchise goaltender when their window was open. Please be realistic and logical here. Talbot...laughable

Yes I can. If you go back to Talbot in edmonton he struggled to start, then in December they played the Rangers, Talbot had lunch with Allaire on that trip and then caught fire and drug Edmonton into the playoffs. He credited Allaire with getting him in the right frame of mind to get going that year, I have no doubt his career would have taken a different route had he stayed here.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

He basically single handedly dragged the devil's to the playoffs in a year he definitely deserved the hart.

One year does not make a career.

 

[RGY]

Yes I can. If you go back to Talbot in edmonton he struggled to start, then in December they played the Rangers, Talbot had lunch with Allaire on that trip and then caught fire and drug Edmonton into the playoffs. He credited Allaire with getting him in the right frame of mind to get going that year, I have no doubt his career would have taken a different route had he stayed here.

Well I have plenty of doubt, because no matter what the other factors have been, his career did not take off elsewhere. Hank has been a HOF goaltender. Enough with the hypotheticals. What a reach.

 

[Inferno]

One year does not make a career.

That's fine but saying he's allergic to winning is kinda ridiculous.

The oilers sucked before they got him. The oilers sucked after he left.

The devil's sucked before they got him. The devil's sucked after he left.

The coyotes have sucked basically since they've existed.... And they'll probably suck well after he's left.

It's absurd to blame the guy for being put on crap teams. That's why he wants to leave.


The rangers sucked before panarin got here. The rangers suck with panarin here. Is that panarins fault?

 

[Shesterkybomb]

We are griping about $1 million a year? $1 million a year overpaid (which is debatable if he is or not) is not something to harp on. A lot of us would have been ok with $7.5 AAV. The win would have been $7 aav. Just because his wife wanted to work in a major city does not mean he wouldve signed the extension and not tested free agency. You dont trade a 1st round pick for a guy and then risk him walking.

I'm griping about us always paying top dollar when we shouldnt have to. It happens all the time here, Girardi, Staal, Lundqvist, Trouba, etc. None of those guys wanted to leave, none. Total what we overpaid on all of those and it's not chump change and it definitely affected our teams ability to compete.

 

[eco's bones]

Yep. The Rangers are - as far as I can gather- pitching Georgiev as a cost-controlled-above-average-young-starter. Which is smart. And why I cringe when fans of other teams think he’s getting moved for a third or whatever garbage they don’t want because “he’s a backup”. Nope.
If he is traded it’s on the basis of his potential. Which is legit. If not by the deadline, then they’ll find a taker over the summer.

If I’m guessing, I would bet on it happening in the summer and not with the Leafs. The Leafs will end up shopping in the bargain aisle as usual, scotch tape their goalie situation together, and hope for a lucky break when they realize they can’t afford Andersen’s next deal.

Signing Tavares a couple years back was a big deal but it also put the Maple Leafs into a perpetual cap hell situation. They're also looking at Morgan Rielly in couple more years when he'll be 27. He's making $5 mil per now---unless he falls off of a cliff he'll be looking for a lot more than that next time. It's a similar situation to where the Blackhawks were a few years ago which is at least in part why they moved on from Panarin.

Andersen is getting older and he's too expensive for what they can afford now and he'll want more to stay. They're in no way deep in that position and no team is going to win without goaltending. The Maple Leafs have high hopes but they're also a mess as an organization. All kinds of offensive talent but a subpar defense corps and maybe a better than average aging goalie who can't handle all the load they want to put on his shoulders along with probably the worst cap issues in the league.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

That's fine but saying he's allergic to winning is kinda ridiculous.

The oilers sucked before they got him. The oilers sucked after he left.

The devil's sucked before they got him. The devil's sucked after he left.

The coyotes have sucked basically since they've existed.... And they'll probably suck well after he's left.

It's absurd to blame the guy for being put on crap teams. That's why he wants to leave.


The rangers sucked before panarin got here. The rangers suck with panarin here. Is that panarins fault?

Every team minus that one year with the devils he has been on has sucked. Arizona didn't suck until he got there.

 

[Inferno]

Every team minus that one year with the devils he has been on has sucked. Arizona didn't suck until he got there.

They've sucked with him and without him. Arizona has made the playoffs what... Once in the last 15 years? Something ridiculous like that? Yeah... They've sucked.

 

[Inferno]

Jack eichel must be allergic to winning...and yet half this board is willing to give up kakko and a top player for that loser.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Well I have plenty of doubt, because no matter what the other factors have been, his career did not take off elsewhere. Hank has been a HOF goaltender. Enough with the hypotheticals. What a reach.

Everything is a hypothetical, maybe we win a cup without Hank because we could have added a goal scorer. What we did didn't work, you can't know how things would have ended up if we did something differently. The only fact that remains is that paying a goalie 8.5 a year didnt yield us a cup, it never does in the NHL, and his contract will likely cost us a young goalie in Georgiev unless he accepts a trade, he won't.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Jack eichel must be allergic to winning...and yet half this board is willing to give up kakko and a top player for that loser.

Buffalo has been a dumpster fire since Hasek, until Eichel does it to two more teams you can assume its Buffalo.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

They've sucked with him and without him. Arizona has made the playoffs what... Once in the last 15 years? Something ridiculous like that? Yeah... They've sucked.

They were top of the league when they made the trade, that's why they did it to help put them in a good spot to win the playoffs.

 

[Gardner McKay]

Also, Trouba wasnt going anywhere for 1 mill a year. He was focused on NY for his wife's career. As I said before we need to use New York as a selling point, we shouldnt have to pay players market value to live in the greatest city in the world. Think about it, we pay players the same or more to play here as they do in Winnipeg and Arizona! Call someone's bluff and see what happens, we did it with Panarin and he still came, I think Hank would have stayed, i think Trouba would have signed and i believe it would have saved us roughly 2 mill and probably a year of Hank. I'm also against full no moves when players are getting top dollar, I mean what are we getting in return for paying top dollar, top term and adding full no move clauses? Bent over.

You don't know this.

Not everyone wants to live in New York. You couldn't pay me enough money to move back. For others, it can be a selling point and for the third group, they can be indifferent to where it has no impact either way.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

You don't know this.

Not everyone wants to live in New York. You couldn't pay me enough money to move back. For others, it can be a selling point and for the third group, they can be indifferent to where it has no impact either way.

He publicly said his wife wanted to work in NY, that's why he left Winnipeg.
Tell me Girardi, Staal, Lundqvist wanted to move and I'll call you a liar.