Speculation: Roster Building Thread 2019-20: Part XXVII

[Edge]

It is funny people discussed acquiring Trouba for years and now we want to get rid of him.

And I was the asshole saying “be careful about being in love with the fantasy more than the reality” of the player you covet.

I know this fan base. I love them. But I know them better than they know themselves sometimes.

 

[RGY]

And I was the ******* saying “be careful about being in love with the fantasy more than the reality” of the player you covet.

I know this fan base. I love them. But I know them better than they know themselves sometimes.

This fan base has always had a case of the grass is always greener shiny new toy syndrome.

 

[Edge]

I can’t imagine Gorton cares too much about Hank’s “legacy”. Do not think he’d hesitate a second to buy out Lundqvist if he determines it’s the best move.

I don’t think it’ll come to that, but to disregard the possibility entirely is naive.

I’ve always said two things:

There’s a significant chance Lundqvist doesn’t finish the contract.

And I thought he would retire before being traded.

What I didn’t count on was a potential buyout. Though a long shot, I don’t think it’s as far fetched as some might think.

Anyone know the figures attached to such a move?

 

[Kocur Dill]

And I was the ******* saying “be careful about being in love with the fantasy more than the reality” of the player you covet.

I know this fan base. I love them. But I know them better than they know themselves sometimes.

It is funny people discussed acquiring Trouba for years and now we want to get rid of him.

To be fair. Nobody foresaw TDA taking off the way he has this season. No one here, nor no one in NYR Management otherwise they wouldn't have gone so hard after Fox, who again, exceeded all expectations by a country mile.

Trouba is only being talked about because those two are walking hyperboles. Couple that with a loophole NTC window to get out of a blind side 7 year log jam and chatter was inevitable.

 

[Mac n Gs]

I’ve always said two things:

There’s a significant chance Lundqvist doesn’t finish the contract.

And I thought he would retire before being traded.

What I didn’t count on was a potential buyout. Though a long shot, I don’t think it’s as far fetched as some might think.

Anyone know the figures attached to such a move?

Cap hits would be $5.5M in 20-21 and $1.5M in 21-22

 

[NYRangers16]

That's a wild article. Proto-Larry material.
Buying out Hank will never happen. That's disgraceful but I think what the quote he mentions could allude to is Hank accepting a trade. I have a hard time imagining though Hank AND Trouba both getting traded and us keeping Kreider. That's kinda how I read the article. Heck, let's trade Skjei, Fast, and Strome; buy out Staal and Smith while we're at it. Lias too if we can.

We could have a bare bones roster of: (and for simplicity's sake, this is ignoring trade acquisitions - like assume all we got back were draft picks)

Kreider-Zib-Buch
Panarin-Chytil-Kakko
Lemiuex-Fogarty-Kravtsov //did you read the sentence before the lines?
PDG-Barron-Howden

Lindgren-ADA
Hajek-Fox
Rykov-Lundkvist

Shesty-Georgie

yeeeeeeah, can't see that happening. I frequently look at lineup projections from the point of view of "where do we want to end and how do we get there?" up versus "where are we now?"
Eventually, our d-corp could be
Lindgren, Miller, Robertson. ADA, Fox, Lundkvist. In the big picture of things, that makes Hajek and Rykov expendable. That makes Skjei and Trouba expendable. Staal and Smith are just in the way. But it is definitely hard to see how do we get there from here. That assumes both Miller and Robertson develop on the correct trajectories. Hajek and Rykov can both be used as stop-gaps and traded when the time to transition comes.

I love this post. This is exactly where we should be headed. This is likely point A to point B, C, and finally D. There will be guys we acquire along the way. Prospects who develop more than we expect, and others who develop less. But this should be the thinking going forward. All the other pieces not listed above become prime trade material to either supplement that core, or build a deeper prospect pool to hopefully hit on some of them for when we need to reevaluate the next transition.

 

[Edge]

Cap hits would be $5.5M in 20-21 and $1.5M in 21-22

Well there’s your Kreider raise if you can get him in at $6 million next year. And you could go - little above that.

 

[Crease]

With Lundqvist, is mutual contract termination an option? As in, "your options are to spend next season getting 10 starts as Shesty's backup or we can mutually terminate your contract."

 

[Off Sides]

I am kind of with Brooks,

Trouba is an cap expensive RD who is a borderline top pair guy. Both of Fox and ADA are better than him on the PP, and when they are trailing. Sure he has his pluses, 5on5 against the other teams better players, and PK, yet with Fox, ADA do they really need that level of cap dedicated to what he is?

I know the Rangers are not trading him, yet if it was similar to the Stepan deal, yet with an ADA forward type instead, that is more in line with what they'll eventually need in a couple years than they'll likely need someone to take tougher D minutes and PK.

Lundqvist, the era is pretty much done. Not going to say anything to disparage him. He's been a great, if not the greatest Rangers goalie in the more modern era. Yet them going forward even for a while with Geo/Shest would pay off more so than the trade return.

Fox or ADA should learn to PK, Smith does not need to learn it. If anything they should probably scratch Staal and let Smith play. Smith may even be able to be traded in his last year if he proves he can play in that spot.

 

[Edge]

To be fair. Nobody foresaw TDA taking off the way he has this season. No one here, nor no one in NYR Management otherwise they wouldn't have gone so hard after Fox, who again, exceeded all expectations by a country mile.

Trouba is only being talked about because those two are walking hyperboles. Couple that with a loophole NTC window to get out of a bling side 7 year log jam and chatter was inevitable.

I think those two make it easier. But our game day threads would also indicate that the reality of Trouba doesn’t match the fantasy.

 

[NoQuitInNewMexico]

I always thought Henrik would want to close out his career playing in Frolunda with Joel. But can Joel's game hold up as fourth line/13F for, idk, San Jose? Hey, they have EK too

edit: this is my first time looking at that Martin Jones contract. Oh wow. Oh man.

 

[Ghost of jas]

Well there’s your Kreider raise if you can get him in at $6 million next year. And you could go - little above that.

We talked about this last night. And there’s a big time Ranger fan with a morning megaphone who’s been spouting the same narrative.

 

[bobbop]

No shocker. Gorton has to do his due diligence and at least ask. Still a 110% lock to be traded IMO unless he says some crazy like he only wants 6M at 5 years which will be much much further than he will be asking. He'll get 7.5M for 6-7 years from some team in the offseason.

Not a lock to be traded by any means.

 

[Leetch3]

Notes on Trouba and Hank.

Rangers should explore trading Trouba and Larry speculates that Hank is getting bought out this summer.

why do I have a feeling that on sunday or monday, larry's article will be about how valuable hank is to the future of shesterkin's future and the rangers should hope he sticks around as long as possible...while also praising trouba and why he should be kept lol

 

[Off Sides]

Can't figure in a Kreider raise until Lundqvist leaves one way or another, so they may as well trade Kreider and then see about any raise this summer.

They may in the mean time even find out they don't really want to give him a raise. Post deadline when given opportunity sometimes things change.

 

[Kocur Dill]

I think those two make it easier. But our game day threads would also indicate that the reality of Trouba doesn’t match the fantasy.

Agreed. I believe some were picturing Pronger/Weber-lite and that's just not fair to Trouba. He's more in the Kronwall, Hatcher tier.

 

[RGY]

Not a lock to be traded by any means.

I think JD, Gorton, and DQ see how much of an impact Kreider has on this team in multiple ways that has made them pause about what to do here.

 

[RGY]

I love Jacob Trouba. He is a guy you win with. A guy who is on the ice in the closing seconds of games to secure a win. He has been mostly everything I expected. I am glad he is here.

 

[Crease]

Out of curiosity, have any recent Cup winners had dead cap space?

 

[bobbop]

If there are teams in the league (are you listening Carolina and Colorado?) who have a sincere interest in Henrik, they have now been alerted that it’s worth a phone call to find out.

 

[bobbop]

Lundkvist, Fox and DeAngelo on the right side? Great all we will need is a midget car like the circus to carry them around.

C’mon Larry, you are smarter than that.

What Trouba needs more than anything else is a partner who is not a piece of furniture.

 

[Off Sides]

If there was only a way to minimize the 2 inch size disadvantage on the right side D, like if they had a partner who was of the proper size (whatever size that is)

 

[Irishguy42]

Out of curiosity, have any recent Cup winners had dead cap space?

Would be interesting to peak at, but not sure if CapFriendly has a historical data viewing option. Just present and future, AFAIK

Although you could probably poke them on Twitter and they might be able to pull the data.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

I bet the Isles wished they kept Luongo over DiPietro.

Besides, Huska needs to work on rebound control before he's given serious NHL consideration, Wall is too far out.

And mediocre backups are a dime a dozen in UFA...

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

It is funny people discussed acquiring Trouba for years and now we want to get rid of him.

Watchoo mean “we”, Willis?