Speculation: Roster Building Thread 2019-20: Part XXVII

[bobbop]

Any general manager who can trade Brassard for Mika, Spooner for Strome and two second round draft picks for Fox gets high grades in my book.

 

[Edge]

@Edge in the same vein of Trouba becoming available, who are some LD in a similar situation the Rangers might target going forward in your opinion?

Just curious if they have anyone they're looking at

Nurse is a maybe, and I know the Rangers like him a lot. Don't know if there's a path forward there.

I think Hanafin would interest the Rangers if he were ever shopped.

I think Fowler would interest them.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I'm excited to see where this goes. Hopefully if we are moving quality out we get younger quality in. I've liked our defense much better(outside of Staal) the last 8 or so games. I'd really like then to sit Staal and put Fox or DeAngelo on the left side for a few games, grab Keane for the right side for those games and see what we have in Keane and see if one of those guys can play left side.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Nurse is a maybe, and I know the Rangers like him a lot. Don't know if there's a path forward there.

I think Hanafin would interest the Rangers if he were ever shopped.

I think Fowler would interest them.

Nurse imo isnt leaving Edmonton. He likes it there, they like him, why leave?
Isnt Fowler signed for like 6 more years at 6.5 or something?

 

[Inferno]

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't graves ask for a trade?

 

[Edge]

Nurse imo isnt leaving Edmonton. He likes it there, they like him, why leave?
Isnt Fowler signed for like 6 more years at 6.5 or something?

I don't think Nurse moves, but we'll see.

Yes, Fowler is signed for another six seasons beyond this one.

 

[Edge]

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't graves ask for a trade?

That was my understanding as well.

 

[effen]

Any general manager who can trade Brassard for Mika, Spooner for Strome and two second round draft picks for Fox gets high grades in my book.

Yeah but have you heard Ryan Graves is in the NHL and Chris Bigras is in the AHL?

 

[effen]

Nurse isn't leaving Edmonton for anything less than an upgrade so that's a no.

Fowler doesn't give you anything ADA can't younger and cheaper, stay away.

 

[BLEETCH1994]

I dig a ton of your guys' opinions, but lately, it seems like some of you think you get paid here by the word. Just the same stuff over and over. Staal sucks, how dare Henke not retire for the good of the team, my opinion is better than yours and I'll die on this hill, etc. I do know it's a forum for conversation, but wow. I miss Rangerland.net. I love the few that give info (that MAY have inside sources). The rest make me dizzy. Play nice, we are fans of the same team (some of us for way longer than others) … play nice and give constructive criticism. Old man going back to bed now.

 

[mas0764]

It just seems like you're waiting for the ultimate, fantasy scenario.

But it's not a fantasy.

We have top forward prospects within our grasp in this coming draft.

I'd like a stable of high end players like we've seen with Chicago, Pittsburgh, and Washington. We aren't there yet unless things really break our way and Chytil and Kravtsov become monsters.

I'm probably aiming for a bit of overkill on prospects, but I like the depth we have on D - it has so many quality guys that we are gonna hit on more than we can use. Some will have to be traded.

I want a similar plethora on offense. Another sell-off isn't unreasonable to that end.

And there's no guarantee they're getting this forward in either of the next two drafts. You can't be constantly chasing your tail waiting for that "next guy."

There isn't a guarantee of anything no matter which direction you choose. But I'd feel pretty good if we can draft one of the following 5 forwards this year (Lafrieniere, Byfield, Stutzle, Holtz, or Raymond) and follow it up with maybe another late first round selection or two like we had in 2018 when we got Miller and Lundkvist. I'd be looking for the forward equivalents in this draft.

I think I'd be ready to call the build done at that point.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

I dig a ton of your guys' opinions, but lately, it seems like some of you think you get paid here by the word. Just the same stuff over and over. Staal sucks, how dare Henke not retire for the good of the team, my opinion is better than yours and I'll die on this hill, etc. I do know it's a forum for conversation, but wow. I miss Rangerland.net. I love the few that give info (that MAY have inside sources). The rest make me dizzy. Play nice, we are fans of the same team (some of us for way longer than others) … play nice and give constructive criticicm. Old man going back to bed now.

I know this is a forum for conversation, but stop having conversations.

 

[Thirty One]

Did Kapanen play in the Ranger game? I didn’t get to see it end-to-end but I certainly didn’t notice him if he did play.

Noticed him good and bad. I have no idea what he was doing on the Chytil goal.

 

[Richard Banger]

Why is this the point? Our foundation should be two young star players to build around for a decade. We have one sure one in Kakko (well, presumably, and certainly good enough bet to move forward with).

The second one is still up in the air. If I knew Kravtsov was an 80-90 point player, I'd agree, let's move on. But I don't know that. There's a chance he's only a 50-60 point player, more like a second liner. I need another top-line player at or near Kakko's potential.

Because you have panarin Zbad and Kreider Trouba in their prime while ADA and Fox are entering theirs. You can't just wait. It is possible to miss your window of competition.

 

[BLEETCH1994]

I know this is a forum for conversation, but stop having conversations.

Not at all, just the same posters pushing their opinions for 20+ pages. Don't be silly.

 

[Richard Banger]

I know this is a forum for conversation, but stop having conversations.

If that's what you got from it then may God have mercy on your soul.

He has a very valid point. People just keep pushing the same BS repeating themselves constantly while discussions go absolutely nowhere.

 

[True Blue]

Lindgren and Fox paired together is so solid--you can see the potential of a legit future 1st pairing as they get more acclimated into the league. I really like both of them but speaking of Lindgren---he's got that edge but he's super smart and competitive. Very very good defensively already.

Not sure about #1, but can see them as an extremely solid #2 pair. With Trouba on the top and DeAngelo doing what he is doing, this can be a very good young defense. Just needs to compliment it now with some size and defensive play from the two other spots.

 

[Fitzy]

I dig a ton of your guys' opinions, but lately, it seems like some of you think you get paid here by the word. Just the same stuff over and over. Staal sucks, how dare Henke not retire for the good of the team, my opinion is better than yours and I'll die on this hill, etc. I do know it's a forum for conversation, but wow. I miss Rangerland.net. I love the few that give info (that MAY have inside sources). The rest make me dizzy. Play nice, we are fans of the same team (some of us for way longer than others) … play nice and give constructive criticicm. Old man going back to bed now.

You have my weekly avatar changes to look forward to at least

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Rumors that Krug isn't going to resign in Boston. What would we have to add to Skjei to get a signed Krug? Also how much is a signed Krug, similar to Trouba? Would love to have him but is there a way?

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

But it's not a fantasy.

We have top forward prospects within our grasp in this coming draft.

I'd like a stable of high end players like we've seen with Chicago, Pittsburgh, and Washington. We aren't there yet unless things really break our way and Chytil and Kravtsov become monsters.

I'm probably aiming for a bit of overkill on prospects, but I like the depth we have on D - it has so many quality guys that we are gonna hit on more than we can use. Some will have to be traded.

I want a similar plethora on offense. Another sell-off isn't unreasonable to that end.



There isn't a guarantee of anything no matter which direction you choose. But I'd feel pretty good if we can draft one of the following 5 forwards this year (Lafrieniere, Byfield, Stutzle, Holtz, or Raymond) and follow it up with maybe another late first round selection or two like we had in 2018 when we got Miller and Lundkvist. I'd be looking for the forward equivalents in this draft.

I think I'd be ready to call the build done at that point.

Do you really see the Rangers drafting first or second this year or next? I don't. And of course we all want a stable of high-end 19 year forwards. Who doesn't? It's just not realistic. I would say drafting top 5 is even a stretch unless they get super lucky with the ping pong balls.

 

[Richard Banger]

@Edge what do you think are the chances NYR move out a roster player this deadline to sign Kreider? (Assuming they agree on a deal)

 

[BLEETCH1994]

You have my weekly avatar changes to look forward to at least

As long as the parrot keeps walking... I'm cool with that.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Rumors that Krug isn't going to resign in Boston. What would we have to add to Skjei to get a signed Krug? Also how much is a signed Krug, similar to Trouba? Would love to have him but is there a way?

...sign him as a free agent?

 

[Ratelleitlikeitis]

Rumors that Krug isn't going to resign in Boston. What would we have to add to Skjei to get a signed Krug? Also how much is a signed Krug, similar to Trouba? Would love to have him but is there a way?

Doesn't he have shoulder and ankle injury history and isn't his offensive game redundant with Tony D. and Fox here?

 

[mas0764]

Because you have panarin Zbad and Kreider Trouba in their prime while ADA and Fox are entering theirs. You can't just wait. It is possible to miss your window of competition.

Panarin, Zbad, and Kreider are not enough to form the core of a competing team.

Kakko, Kravtsov, Chytil, our 2020 first round pick, Buch, Fox, Miller, Lundkvist, DeAngelo, Lindgren, and Shersterkin are quite close to enough. That's the core you build around.

You can identify if the older guys fit that core. Panarin does -- at nearly any cost. Zibanejad probably does. He's only 26 right now and he plays a position where we don't have a pipeline of younger guys (center -- our surplus at forward, to the extent we have one, is wing).

Kreider probably doesn't fit. There's no room in the top 6 wingers if Kakko, Kravtsov, and Chytil end up wingers. Even if Chytil ends up a center, there's a decent chance our 2020 pick ends up better than Kreider or that within 2-3 years, Buch or Strome or someone else is better than Kreider. Kreider would still have value here but that value simply wouldn't be top-6 money.

In a capless world, bring it on, but I wouldn't want to risk losing someone I really want because I have 31 year old Chris Kreider eating up too much money.

Taking Kreider's "window" into account is pointless unless you are sentimentally attached. He's not a prime compontent of our next competing team and there's no way to turn this team into a winner in the next year or two with him on it. The only way it makes sense is if he takes a team-friendly deal and we have otherwise acquired enough top prospects that he can transition into a bottom-6 role without blocking our younger stars or without being a cap hindrance.

To that end, I've said, if he's open to it, I'd trade him now and then welcome him back in the offseason if he's willing to take a deal we can live with long term. But I'd personally cut that off at 5 years and about 6 mil a year.