Speculation: Roster Building Thread 2019-20: Part XXVII

[SA16]

It is very interesting that as Kreider has been playing better and better our talk has turned into trying to keep him if his contract demands go...down. Why would his contract demands go down as he continues to perform well?

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

I’ll be straight to the point - if you can get the number closer to 6 per year, that’s the key. And if you can get it to that point, I think they might be willing to add the 7th year to make up the difference on the deal.

I know some people aren’t comfortable with that 7th year, and I can’t say it puts me at ease, but I think that’s your potential opening. So I’d keep on eye less on the concept of 6.75x6 or even 6.5x6, and I’d keep an eye out for the idea of 6x7 starting to come out.

if that’s their offer to him and he turns it down, he’s an idiot and should get traded to Winnipeg.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

It is very interesting that as Kreider has been playing better and better our talk has turned into trying to keep him if his contract demands go...down. Why would his contract demands go down as he continues to perform well?

If he was smart, his contract demands wouldn’t go down

 

[NYRangers0723]

This offseason is the last one that probably will show the effect of the last contracts Sather gave out. Hank. Staal. Smith (Gorton). Shattenkirk (Gorton). When those guys/cap hits leave, it will create a ton of flexibility for Gorton. I’d venture a guess that if those 3 weren’t here, the team would not only be more competitor as they’d have more financial freedom to sign necessary depth but they’d probably be in a much better position to re-sign a guy like Kreider as they’d be more competitive both this year and next year.

That’s what pisses me off. The dumb decisions like Staal,Shatty,Smith,giving Hank a full NMC means that we are forced to lose CK and Georgiev..it just sucks

 

[Edge]

if that’s their offer to him and he turns it down, he’s an idiot and should get traded to Winnipeg.

Hit me up via PM.

 

[SA16]

That’s what pisses me off. The dumb decisions like Staal,Shatty,Smith,giving Hank a full NMC means that we are forced to lose CK and Georgiev..it just sucks

None of those guys have anything to do with Kreider.

 

[NYRangers0723]

None of those guys have anything to do with Kreider.

their awful contracts do

 

[Drew4u]

Still don't have a problem with Hank's contract. Georgiev is nothing special.

 

[Fitzy]

Hit me up via PM.

I'd have to imagine Kreider wants the Evander Kane contract- and could probably get it on the open market.

So 6x7 certainly isn't a clear "Take" from Chris.

 

[SA16]

their awful contracts do

No they do not. The Rangers potentially not wanting to re-sign Kreider is not due to a lack of cap space. They have the space if they want it and can get more. It's due to not wanting commit to him long term and worries over how he will age.

if they gave him that deal you’ll just be seeing the same thing 5 years from now line “great they can’t extend DeAngelo (or whoever) because of that contract that gave to Kreider and...”

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

if that’s their offer to him and he turns it down, he’s an idiot and should get traded to Winnipeg.

He would get more in free agency

 

[Edge]

I'd have to imagine Kreider wants the Evander Kane contract- and could probably get it on the open market.

So 6x7 certainly isn't a clear "Take" from Chris.

The popular opinion is 7x7 is the open market rate.

The suspicion is some of the teams most attractive to Kreider might be thinking 7x6. There’s also the belief he would be willing to take a discount to stay a Rangers.

So let’s assume the options he likes most are primarily in that 7x6 range. What happens if you reverse those numbers to 6x7. Hell, what happens if you go 6.25 x 7?

Would Kreider take a total of $5 million less over full market value, but get to stay in NY? I‘D keep an eye on that.

 

[NYR Viper]

That’s what pisses me off. The dumb decisions like Staal,Shatty,Smith,giving Hank a full NMC means that we are forced to lose CK and Georgiev..it just sucks

It’s the price good teams often need to pay at the end of their window. Imagine if Gorton hadn’t decided a couple of years ago to start tearing it down. The team would have no prospects and be a bubble playoff team with tons of bad contracts.

 

[NYRangers0723]

No they do not. The Rangers potentially not wanting to re-sign Kreider is not due to a lack of cap space. Th ey have the space if they want it and can get more. It's due to not wanting commit to him long term and worries over how he will age

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no problem but agree to disagree. Take care man

 

[Ghost of jas]

It is very interesting that as Kreider has been playing better and better our talk has turned into trying to keep him if his contract demands go...down. Why would his contract demands go down as he continues to perform well?

Some of that may be coming out of the comments from the All-Star break that Kreider really wants to remain a Ranger.

 

[SA16]

Some of that may be coming out of the comments from the All-Star break that Kreider really wants to remain a Ranger.

yea but like everyone always says that with the exception of Panarin and Tavares.

 

[Ghost of jas]

yea but like everyone always says that with the exception of Panarin and Tavares.

And Shattenkirk. And Zuccarello on his last contract.

 

[NYR Viper]

I should state that I want saying it’s a cap space issue, so much as the team would be in a much better position right now to compete this year and next IF they were without Smith, Hank, Staal, Giradi’s buyout and Shattenkirk’s buyout. Next season that’s going to be around $22-24m in cap hit

 

[SA16]

And Shattenkirk. And Zuccarello on his last contract.

what about shattenkirk and Zucc? Zucc always wanted to stay here but got traded and was upset.Shattenkirk became a FA after being a rental with a team that didn’t have cap space and was traded from a team that had two strong RHD already and didn’t want to keep all 3

 

[Ghost of jas]

I should state that I want saying it’s a cap space issue, so much as the team would be in a much better position right now to compete this year and next IF they were without Smith, Hank, Staal, Giradi’s buyout and Shattenkirk’s buyout. Next season that’s going to be around $22-24m in cap hit

You need to weather one year before the skies open up.

 

[Ghost of jas]

what about shattenkirk and Zucc? Zucc always wanted to stay here but got traded and was upset.Shattenkirk became a FA after being a rental with a team that didn’t have cap space and was traded from a team that had two strong RHD already and didn’t want to keep all 3

I’m saying that Panarin and Tavares aren’t the only players to take a lesser deal to play where they want.

 

[SA16]

I’m saying that Panarin and Tavares aren’t the only players to take a lesser deal to play where they want.

Oh I meant Panarin and Tavares as being guys who didn’t say they wanted to say with their current team and such in interviews. Most players when talking about their upcoming FA say they want to stay and hope it works out. I wouldn’t take Kreider saying that meaning much. I’m sure he does want to stay but his agent is obviously going to advise him to go to FA if the Rangers don’t make a competitive offer before the deadline (which I don’t expect) and when it gets there all bets are off when he sees other teams offering much more.

In terms of them taking less to play where they wanted you are correct

 

[Edge]

It is very interesting that as Kreider has been playing better and better our talk has turned into trying to keep him if his contract demands go...down. Why would his contract demands go down as he continues to perform well?

I don’t think his ask has changed based on his play. I don’t think the Rangers comfort with certain deals has changed based on his play.

I think fans seem to believe that values rise and fall like the stock market, but I don’t think any of the numbers in play have changed. It’s just a matter of what order, and whether both sides are comfortable with different orders. That last part is the unknown.

 

[SA16]

I don’t think his ask has changed based on his okay. I don’t think the Rangers comfort with certain deals has changed.

I think fans seem to believe that values rise and fall with the stock market, but I don’t think any of the numbers in play have changed. It’s just a matter of what order, and whether both sides are comfortable with different orders. That last part is the unknown.

Yes I agree with you. Players values do not rise and fall at anywhere near the rate fans think. I don’t think teams are the smartest at all but I don’t think they are that dumb to buy in to hot and cold streaks to vastly change a players value. He’s the same guy and they know that.

 

[Edge]

Yes I agree with you. Players values do not rise and fall at anywhere near the rate fans think. I don’t think teams are the smartest at all but I don’t think they are that dumb to buy in to hot and cold streaks to vastly change a players value. He’s the same guy and they know that.

I still think there are some 7x7 deals out there for him. I don’t know if they are all teams that would top his list.

So let’s the remaining offers are 7x6 or 6.5x7. That’s $42-$45 million being the range for his services. What if the Rangers came in 6x7, $42 million on the deal? I think there is at least a chance the Rangers would consider that. It’s the lower end of his likely market, but it might not be so low that it’s an automatic rejection from Kreider’s camp.