Speculation: Roster Building Thread 2019-20: Part XXVII

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It will always be in the back of teams heads when rebuilding.
The "Edmonton/Buffalo Rebuilding Paradox" has been disproven time and time again on this board.

I implore you to read the wonderful @Edge 's post about this, that should be stickied to the top of every page in every roster building thread:

^^^^ This. A lot.

When we look at certain teams, Buffalo among them, we notice two very big challenges that can completely alter their trajectory.

The first is an inability to sign impact free agents. I don't care how well you draft or how much good fortune you have with developing prospects, at some point you're going to need to make trades or free agent signings. It's inevitable. And if you can't do either of these things with consistent success, you're probably going to struggle.

The second challenge is drafting beyond the first round. The odds say you'll come away with talent if you're consistently picking in the top half of the draft, especially the top 10. But what usually separates the top teams from the teams perpetually stuck on the bubble is the ability to find support talent in the second and third rounds, along with the occasional gem in the later rounds.

When people reference the teams they fear us becoming, more often than not the reason why those teams struggle is, in large part, due to the above shortcomings. When you look at the Sabres, the Oilers, the Avs, you see a real struggle to execute either of the above tactics. That leaves them with a short leash, and little or no margin for error.
 
I'm a fan of Kreider but a lot of people are citing that he'll be different with his physical attributes not breaking down

You guys have way more faith in that than I do.


I feel like Kreider has 2 things going for him.
Firstly, his foot speed. Even if he loses a step, he'll still be pretty fast, and certainly not detrimentally slow. Secondly, his net front presence. I think those things alone keep him productive until his mid 30s.
 
The "Edmonton/Buffalo Rebuilding Paradox" has been disproven time and time again on this board.

I implore you to read the wonderful @Edge 's post about this, that should be stickied to the top of every page in every roster building thread:
Then what about the Arizona/Islanders/Florida paradox?

if you start a rebuild plan, you better have an exit date.
 
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Why do you always have to chime? If what was up to you, the Rangers would not trade anyone. I remember when I proposed Brassard for Zibanejad 5 months before the trade was made, you chimed with your usual sarcastic bull**** of "so now we are trading Brassard". It only turned to be one of best trades made by the Rangers organization. You like the mediocrity of being competitive.

You don't know what are you talking about. You thought the Rangers were going to fire Quinn after their western Canadian road trip. You thought the Rangers play on that trip was "some of the most excruciating hockey i have watched in the last 15 years". Really?
Lmao I forgot you know so much more than anyone. What a damn clown you are. My bad, I wasn’t ready to trade Brassard so quickly during the 2015-2016 season when they just came off an ECF like you were. What are the lottery numbers too? We all know how much of a heartless robot you are who treats this team like a damn video game.

And youre right I do like being competitive. I like going to the playoffs. I like watching the Rangers go to the SCF, the ECF twice which shouldve been 3 times. I appreciate Hank all that he did to carry teams as far as he did. Talk about sarcastic, youre the most sarcastic asshole on this board when it comes to Hank.

And that western trip was some of the most excruciating hockey witnessed in a long time. Was it not? That was quality play? GTFO. You dont like when people discredit or challenge you. Your word is law around here. If anyone disagrees, “they don’t know what they are talking about”....youre still hoping the Panarin contract doesnt pan out just so you can be right and say I told you so. Thats more important to you. Youre laugh out loud funny.

Quinn probably will be fired eventually. He mismanaged the team during that road trip. I defended him early on and throughout the season I have constantly said he has his good qualities but the bad have outweighed them.

TRADE EVERYONE. MORE TRADES. ANYONE OVER 27 MUST GO. FIND THE SHINY NEW TOY PROSPECT.

Clown.
 
That was a great trade. Probably Gortons best move.

His next move with Zibanejad will be even more interesting. Gorton is like Clooney... Once his players reach a certain age, peace the **** out! If Zbad maintains this level of play, he’s easily looking at 10M+ to retain. But, that’ll be one of those dreaded Late 20 Retirement Contracts.

Decisions Decisions.
No, need to trade him. He is gona be 27 or older. Sour milk.
 
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I love how dismissive people are about years in discussing Kreider's next contract. They think that just a 5-year deal is a risk free (even if expensive) investment. This is being DELUSIONAL. Maybe 3 years until he's 32 are more or less are at a "normal" NHL risk level of a power forward getting into decline. Years 4 and, especially, 5 are very risky, in accounting terms probably at "more likely than not" that there will be a significant decline. Yet I see 6-year or 7-year proposals with "I don't care" argument.
 
I would too, especially if we move money.

However, he is too old according to the standard pushed forth by some here.

He's retiring Hank, trading ADA, trading Strome, Trading Skjei, Trading Kreider, Trading Buchnevich, etc...

Every time I look he's looking to jettison 33% of the team for whatever reason. You can talk about building, rebuilding, retooling, or whatever term you want to use but I don't think that should rely on 1/3 of your team exiting the station every year. I don't see that working. You HAVE to pay/have veterans on your team. No team, afaik, has ever won a Cup without a 30+ year old player and most have multiples.
 
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The easiest way to end up in the Buffalo spot is probably to trade all your valuable current assets for nothing: "NHL roster players" that don't belong on a good roster, prospects who don't make it, first round picks you "miss on" because a first round pick in the late 20s is lucky as hell to be Brady Skjei
 
Ugh, did realize he was turning 30 in 3 years.
More worrysome, Kakko is turning 30 in 12 years.

Unlike the Rangers did with Zucc and Hayes, they need to trade him early and get max value like a proper forward thinking franchise so they can draft an 8th grader that actually fits with a proper timeline.
 
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Still seeing DeAngelo trade discussions and I'm still not seeing why.

He's now put up 40 points this season. If he puts up 50 points, which barring injury, he should, would be the first Rangers defenseman to score 50 points in a season since Brian Leetch.

It's been nearly 20 years since we've seen this kind of production on defense.

I'm not saying he's untouchable, but we need to realize what he is doing and understand how rare it is to produce this well, and then factor in his age and realize this is someone we should be keeping.
 
Bob did you even read Edge's post? The same thing applies to them. You've just named 3 of the least popular, value-less teams in the league. Those teams are not in the same stratosphere as us.
Yes, I read his post. We don’t always agree.

None of those teams ever planned to have a forever rebuild. No one does. The Rangers did not plan a seven year rebuild from 1997 to 2004.

I’ve seen plenty of teams turn things around quickly. Three years is acceptable. Barely. Four years starts to feel like an era.
 
Still seeing DeAngelo trade discussions and I'm still not seeing why.

He's now put up 40 points this season. If he puts up 50 points, which barring injury, he should, would be the first Rangers defenseman to score 50 points in a season since Brian Leetch.

It's been nearly 20 years since we've seen this kind of production on defense.

I'm not saying he's untouchable, but we need to realize what he is doing and understand how rare it is to produce this well, and then factor in his age and realize this is someone we should be keeping.

Thank you.
 
Yes, I read his post. We don’t always agree.

None of those teams ever planned to have a forever rebuild. No one does. The Rangers did not plan a seven year rebuild from 1997 to 2004.

I’ve seen plenty of teams turn things around quickly. Three years is acceptable. Barely. Four years starts to feel like an era.
Hockey teams don’t exist in a vacuum.
 
The second paragraph literally proves my point. Thanks.

This paragraph:

“The first is an inability to sign impact free agents. I don't care how well you draft or how much good fortune you have with developing prospects, at some point you're going to need to make trades or free agent signings. It's inevitable. And if you can't do either of these things with consistent success, you're probably going to struggle.“

The Rangers don’t have an inability to sign impact free agents.


Or this paragraph:

“The second challenge is drafting beyond the first round. The odds say you'll come away with talent if you're consistently picking in the top half of the draft, especially the top 10. But what usually separates the top teams from the teams perpetually stuck on the bubble is the ability to find support talent in the second and third rounds, along with the occasional gem in the later rounds.”

The Rangers already have multiple players in their lineup who are making an impact and were not drafted in the 1st round.

So I don’t know how either of those “proves your point” when neither inability to sign impact free agents or drafting beyond round 1 applies to the Rangers.
 
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