Speculation: Roster Building Thread 2019-20: Part XXVII
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Keep Georgiev. Go with a Georgiev-Shesterkin tandem. Maybe it's not feasible to keep both goaltenders long term but go with that tandem for the immediate future. The Rangers could always move Georgiev later. The Rangers can win with those guys.
Trade Kreider. How many power forwards are productive players in the early to mid 30's? Not many.
Trade Skjei. The Rangers have to prepare for an expansion draft. The Rangers are loaded with lefty shot D. Skjei is a good player. Not anything special. If the Rangers can find a good deal for Skjei, Gorton should trade him. Edge says Skjei has more value around the NHL than some people here think.
Strome is the ultimate buy low and sell high player. He is a streaky player. Panarin deserves 25% of whatever salary gets in his next contract.
Keep Fast. Re-sign.
Lundqvist should agree to waive his NMC or retire.
Gorton should look into trading Tony D. If the Rangers can get a really good forward in exchange, Gorton should do it. Trouba isn't going anywhere. Fox is a keeper. Lundkivist looks like the real deal. The Rangers have depth on D.
Gorton has some really good pieces to trade. He has a very good job in accumulating assets. He can move some of these guys for other players. The Rangers have Miller and Lundkvist coming on D. The Rangers should have another top 8 pick. There are some really good forwards for them to select.
The Rangers use two of their three D slots in expansion in Trouba and Lindgren. The latter has surpassed Skjei.
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I really don't see any scenario in which the Rangers "become Buffalo or Arizona or Edmonton."
We have seen high to low to high to low in the last 25 years. We never have become Edmonton or Buffalo. We never will.
We are an original 6 franchise, maybe the most woeful of all the original 6 teams, but dammit, we are more relevant than the bottom feeders and always will be.
Just look - when prime free agents or trade targets come available, they want to come here. Jagr. Drury and Gomez. Gaborik. Richards. Nash. Shattenkirk. Panarin.
They even give us small discounts sometimes.
On the other hand, these players put Edmonton and Buffalo on their no trade lists.
We aren't turning into Edmonton or Buffalo. Too many resources and too desirable a destination for too many players.
We have seen high to low to high to low in the last 25 years. We never have become Edmonton or Buffalo. We never will.
We are an original 6 franchise, maybe the most woeful of all the original 6 teams, but dammit, we are more relevant than the bottom feeders and always will be.
Just look - when prime free agents or trade targets come available, they want to come here. Jagr. Drury and Gomez. Gaborik. Richards. Nash. Shattenkirk. Panarin.
They even give us small discounts sometimes.
On the other hand, these players put Edmonton and Buffalo on their no trade lists.
We aren't turning into Edmonton or Buffalo. Too many resources and too desirable a destination for too many players.
Fitzy
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I agreed with you until the very last sentence, on guys we should look to trade and re-sign. Possible exception that I'd move Georgiev if the Hank trade/retirement doesn't work out.
I like Lindgren but to say that he has surpasses Skjei already is hyperbole.
I like Lindgren but to say that he has surpasses Skjei already is hyperbole.
how many power forwards can skate like Kreider can? not many. can't compare them in my opinion. If Fast wants a 4 mil contract or more, he has to go. no way i give him that. he can't even score with Panarin. Fast is like so overrated. the faster they trade him, the better. no way I offer more than 2.5 to keep Fast.
Oscar Lindberg
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I must be watching a completely different team if Lindgren has surpassed Skjei at this point
Talk about recency bias
Talk about recency bias
LannyMcdonald
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I don't buy that we're the most woeful of the original 6. Detroit's in a world of pain. Leafs haven't won since well before '94 and haven't really accomplished much with their current group (notwithstanding the excitement). Montreal?
kinger8998
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As someone who started this season firmly ready for another sell-off, and actively rooting for it, I have been moved in opinions very quickly.
I wouldn't haggle over Fast. If he won't sign for 3-4 years at $2.5M, trade him. He's ultimately a player that can be replaced with someone who is 75% as good for 50% the price. Good trade off.
If reports are true Kreider will sign for $6.5-6.75M, get it done. Don't care if it's 5,6 or 7 years. Power forwards don't have the explosive speed he has, and removing him from the PP1 hurts it. We finally have a powerplay that can make the difference in a game that should be lost and turning it into a win, instead of losing winnable games. For me, AAV is the hurdle with Kreider, not term. If the 7th year sucks, of well. Right now it is important to get him locked up for years 2-5 of that deal when we start really making runs at it.
It is time to start building as opposed to tearing down getting the right young players. I've seen good things from Chytil this year, I'm not worried about Kakko, and we have Kravtsov finding his way in the AHL, as well as plenty of D prospects in the ranks. The trades we should be looking at now are hockey trades, like Buchnevich and/or Skjei for roster players that fit into our timeframe and our needs.
We are all worried about if we have enough C depth to contend in the future. Zibanejad-Chytil is sufficient. Don't trade Kreider away now, because if we keep trading guys away and setting ourselves back more years, Zibanejad will leave for a team in a better position to win. Then we will actually have a C problem, which we may have now, but will not have during years 2-5 when Chytil develops into the 2nd center we need.
If Kreider cannot be had at that deal, I concede I would trade him. But then priority #1 becomes finding a 2LW. Then, Zibanejad leaves and we have a C problem. Keep Kreider, kill 2 birds with 1 stone.
Whether we deal these guys or not, our Draft pick will still be in the 7-10 range. We won't fall lower, and keeping him certainly won't make enough of a difference between TDL and seasons end to move us higher than that. This is a deep draft, we may not get LaF or Byfield, but there will be impact players at 7-10. And who knows, playing the right way to end the season got us rewarded last year.
I wouldn't haggle over Fast. If he won't sign for 3-4 years at $2.5M, trade him. He's ultimately a player that can be replaced with someone who is 75% as good for 50% the price. Good trade off.
If reports are true Kreider will sign for $6.5-6.75M, get it done. Don't care if it's 5,6 or 7 years. Power forwards don't have the explosive speed he has, and removing him from the PP1 hurts it. We finally have a powerplay that can make the difference in a game that should be lost and turning it into a win, instead of losing winnable games. For me, AAV is the hurdle with Kreider, not term. If the 7th year sucks, of well. Right now it is important to get him locked up for years 2-5 of that deal when we start really making runs at it.
It is time to start building as opposed to tearing down getting the right young players. I've seen good things from Chytil this year, I'm not worried about Kakko, and we have Kravtsov finding his way in the AHL, as well as plenty of D prospects in the ranks. The trades we should be looking at now are hockey trades, like Buchnevich and/or Skjei for roster players that fit into our timeframe and our needs.
We are all worried about if we have enough C depth to contend in the future. Zibanejad-Chytil is sufficient. Don't trade Kreider away now, because if we keep trading guys away and setting ourselves back more years, Zibanejad will leave for a team in a better position to win. Then we will actually have a C problem, which we may have now, but will not have during years 2-5 when Chytil develops into the 2nd center we need.
If Kreider cannot be had at that deal, I concede I would trade him. But then priority #1 becomes finding a 2LW. Then, Zibanejad leaves and we have a C problem. Keep Kreider, kill 2 birds with 1 stone.
Whether we deal these guys or not, our Draft pick will still be in the 7-10 range. We won't fall lower, and keeping him certainly won't make enough of a difference between TDL and seasons end to move us higher than that. This is a deep draft, we may not get LaF or Byfield, but there will be impact players at 7-10. And who knows, playing the right way to end the season got us rewarded last year.
Oscar Lindberg
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I'm a fan of Kreider but a lot of people are citing that he'll be different with his physical attributes not breaking down
You guys have way more faith in that than I do.
You guys have way more faith in that than I do.
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Well we certainly have the fewest Cups. The Wings are awful right now but they were dominant for like two decades.
It's arguable. If anything, your point strengthens mine: We are relevant and we will never be Buffalo or Edmonton.
kinger8998
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I could definitely see them breaking down - somewhat - as he nears 35... but that's years 6 & 7. I'd be signing him ASAP for years 2-5. Those are the ones that count. I know this is incredibly shortsighted and I would normally be 100% opposed but Kreider is unique and even if he is more streaky than others, he's a game changer when he's on
NoQuitInNewMexico
it's okay cause it's all just the way it should be
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You may well have to get used to it. If the right side is going to have Trouba, DeAngelo & Fox, then prospects like Lundqvist & Keane may be used as chips to shore up other areas or to try to get over the top.
You are not hearing it from the Rangers, you are hearing it from the fans. And this is NY, the ticket prices are not going down. This is the most expensive city and I have seen some expensive cities.
Watching home from couch is certainly anyone's option.
mrhockey193195
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Kreider has always reminded me more of a Bill Guerin than a Cam Neely. Not a true power forward, but good strength and boards play and good speed. Guerin was a very good player into his mid 30s and was productive as a 2/3RW until his late 30s.
This year has nothing to do with getting a pass. This was a building year. No one rational expected playoffs.
This is where expectations have to match reality. Should the Rangers take a step forward? Sure. But there is a world of difference if they are a cusp team battling for for the 2nd wild card spot and being a team that has a 20 or so point turnaround and is firmly entrenched in a playoff position.
Strome and Buchnevich may not be long term players for this team as it is. If they are moved, it will not be for picks and prospects. And if Gorton could get anything for a Smith or Staal, he would have traded them by now.
I'm all for trading almost any player...but like you alluded to, it would have to be for the right piece or to get over the top
Lone Ranger
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Kreider isn't a power forward; he's a speed and power-forward.
@RangerBoy Good post, I agree with a lot of it. Keeping all three could force Hank’s hand.
Another question, if we sell of, a lot points towards Gorton also wanting to be a buyer in some capacity before the puck drops next season.
What could be his targets? Input from anyone is appreciated.
Another question, if we sell of, a lot points towards Gorton also wanting to be a buyer in some capacity before the puck drops next season.
What could be his targets? Input from anyone is appreciated.
NYR Viper
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@Edge mentioned that it would take players like Chytil or Miller to start the conversation on Eichel. I’m game for Miller being included. My two untouchables would be Chytil and Kaako up front.
I’m hopeful Gorton can add some nice pieces at the deadline allowing him to make a 4 for 1 or 5 for 1 deal for when Eichel asks out in the offseason.
I’m hopeful Gorton can add some nice pieces at the deadline allowing him to make a 4 for 1 or 5 for 1 deal for when Eichel asks out in the offseason.
Regarding Bracco- He's a PP specialist. Not a great 5v5 player.
Liked his production a lot, but talking to a couple of guys, they all say the same thing. 4A player that feasts off the PP.
Liked his production a lot, but talking to a couple of guys, they all say the same thing. 4A player that feasts off the PP.
LaffyTaffy
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I won't get into the details, but I think top to bottom, Buffalo is the worst run organization in the league.
Bar none. They won't trade their franchise player unless he wants out.
IMO I feel that a mature grown man version of Eichel is a hell of a player. I love his will to win and edge. He will never get what he's looking for in BUF.
And I'm a big big Ralph Krueger fan.
Bar none. They won't trade their franchise player unless he wants out.
IMO I feel that a mature grown man version of Eichel is a hell of a player. I love his will to win and edge. He will never get what he's looking for in BUF.
And I'm a big big Ralph Krueger fan.
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