Speculation: Roster Building Thread 2019-20: Part XXVII

[bobbop]

Yeah, of course there is a difference between what the fans want and what someone who is trying to save their job might want.

But I was under the impression that Gorton is the one steering the direction of the ship and that he was full speed ahead for the multi-year rebuild. Has that changed with JD being brought on board? Or is somehow Gorton or JD's jobs getting hot because they aren't winning already? Is Dolan feeling that pressure? All that seems unlikely.

Obviously I don't know the people you know, so I'm not claiming to have that perspective. But I'm just speculating, what official could be feeling this pressure right now? Are the Rangers not still super profitable, and did not Dolan himself sign off on this rebuild? Did he change his mind? I mean, maybe the PR VPs or someone else might be on the block for not moving enough tickets, but the people in charge of the personnel decisions for the on-ice team cannot possibly be feeling job security-related pressure to ice a playoff contender at this point, can they?

Right now today, everyone is fine. I think most people knew the playoffs this year was going to be a stretch. This year gets a hall pass.

A year from now, if the Rangers are in the exact same place then what? Will we be talking about selling off Strome and Buchnevich and whatever we can get for Staal and Smith? How far have the kids progressed? And what about Zibanejad's next contract (cha ching) Yes we will have more money to spend but how do we spend it?

 

[Tawnos]

The last thing I want to hear from the rangers is concerns about tickets sales. Because honestly, lower your freaking prices. Get rid of your little ticket exchange which is a scam to horde tickets for legalized scalping and extortion. I never asked for a single lockout but I was force fed 4 "for the fans" just to see exponential ticket increases. So teams can eat more than 3 years of slumping sales if this is their strategy "for the fans". Build me a winner that I will most certainly watch from my couch.

And the worst authority on fixing attendance woes is the New York Rangers. Hockey is different here, anyone? They paraded the star farewell tour that gave us the 1997-2004 disaster. Because NYC demands stars so we better sell off the youth for someone else's former big name.

This organization was saved by the cap. They can't forget history and make the same mistakes. We all know Panarin was signed for the star power and the empty promise we would be competitive immediately. He is everything he was billed to be on an individual level, but fans aren't paying these prices to see a star. And there are no shortcuts to winning in this league. Build organically and follow the process. Panarin was their one self-indulgent detour. Keep doing it and we are doomed.

I agree with a lot of this, but the bolded is absolutely false.

 

[Kovalev27]

I much rather see hank playing meaningful games this year than rotting on the bench. Doesn’t minimize his impact as a New York Ranger in my eyes. If he thinks he can still be a starter he needs to leave and quickly. For his own good because otherwise his career ends after next year playing back up mins and struggling once again. So if hes ok with that then by all means stay. If he believes as I think he does that he can still be a top guy on a good team then he should be begging to go. Because his career will be over next year otherwise

 

[Inferno]

I could get season tickets for every member of my family for the Gwinnett gladiators for cheaper than it would cost me to take them to 1 game at msg. Msg is ridiculous.

 

[DutchShamrock]

I agree with a lot of this, but the bolded is absolutely false.

I worded that too strongly. Implication? No one from the organization said this move put us over the top. Certainly some fans took it and ran. But you are right.

 

[Ola]

I don’t have great track of Jeremy Bracco — but how can everyone be so sure that he would be a bad pick-up?

I don’t know, I am kind of intrigued by his skillset at least. Don’t know about his attitude and that stuff that maybe could be questioned.

But I have a really hard time saying like ‘Look this kid doesn’t have any potential’. On the contrary, I wouldn’t fall off a chair if he scored 70 pts next season.

But attitude, work ethic, that kind of stuff is unknown to me after only having seen him a bit in the WJC and highlights...

 

[Ratelleitlikeitis]

Fast is not a top six player. Neither is Kapanen at the moment. But I would much rather have Fast for all his good work defensively, his ability to help out in the top six when needed, his PK-ing, his attitude and so on. 10-15 extra points is not enough to weigh up for that.

I have always liked Fast. I know what he provides and what his limitations seem to be. He is a third line player we love for his work ethic and leadership. If Kapanen comes in and Fast goes, I'd be all for it. Kapanen is five years younger which fits our improvement profile, he is just scratching his potential at special team roles, and he can flat out fly on the ice. His dad scored almost 200 NHL goals. Would love him here.

 

[Ola]

I could get season tickets for every member of my family for the Gwinnett gladiators for cheaper than it would cost me to take them to 1 game at msg. Msg is ridiculous.

You can buy an entire village in Africa for the price it costs to take a piss in MSG.

 

[RGY]

At the end of the day this is a business. If expectations aren't being met than you can bet things will change quickly. They don't care about what fans think. They care about how much profit they are gaining.

Yep and not making the playoffs, not filling the seats during the regular season, that is more important than fans treating this like GM mode in NHL. Moving out any player over age 27, not extending contracts out to key components of a team, and constantly salivating PROSPECTS and POTENTIAL.

 

[Ola]

@RangerBoy Would you sign off on this?

Trade:
Geo
Kreider
Skjei
Strome
Fast

Convince Hank to retire.

Cap-space: About 25

Resign TDA, Lemieux and co. Bring in a few potential reclamation projects behind Igor.

Gorton adds at least a really good established player through trade (kind I like a Trouba level player) that we give up a lot to get.

 

[RGY]

@RangerBoy Would you sign off on this?

Trade:
Geo
Kreider
Skjei
Strome
Fast

Convince Hank to retire.

Cap-space: About 25

Resign TDA, Lemieux and co. Bring in a few potential reclamation projects behind Igor.

Gorton adds at least a really good established player through trade (kind I like a Trouba level player) that we give up a lot to get.

Of course he would. It removes pretty much every player that needs a new contract and forces you to replace 5 bodies with brand new ones!


But seriously why do you care about his stamp of approval? Who cares.

 

[Ola]

Of course he would. It removes pretty much every player that needs a new contract and forces you to replace 5 bodies with brand new ones!

But seriously why do you care about his stamp of approval? Who cares.

He has always been sort of a father figure for me.

Seriously though, I agree a lot with what RB have believed lately (but I hate the bridge deals).

 

[Richard Banger]

Right now today, everyone is fine. I think most people knew the playoffs this year was going to be a stretch. This year gets a hall pass.

A year from now, if the Rangers are in the exact same place then what? Will we be talking about selling off Strome and Buchnevich and whatever we can get for Staal and Smith? How far have the kids progressed? And what about Zibanejad's next contract (cha ching) Yes we will have more money to spend but how do we spend it?

Which is why I hope this team uses the draft capital and prospects they've accumulated to trade for young nhlers and end the rebuild. Or else we'll be in the same cycle as buffalo and Edmonton.

Eventually you have to take some high risks if you want a chance to win.

 

[haohmaru]

He has always been sort of a father figure for me.

Tell Dad that Lundqvist isn't going to retire.

 

[Thirty One]

He has always been sort of a father figure for me.

Picturing him wrapping you in a red and blue baby blanket.

 

[leetch99]

Went to sleep and had a dream...we pulled a 94 maneuver and shipped out some kids[Chytil-Lias-Lundkvist-Kravs-Keane-Rykov- Georgiev and a first rounder in 2020] and in the end we added Hall and 3 forwards all UFA guys to improve our forward ranks + we added 2 left side Dmen again UFA guys and then proceed to go 24-4-3 to finish and swept the first 2 rounds remaining healthy....then I woke up . 94 was a dream come true ! I doubt we ever see a GM roll the dice like that again .....Bruins are the best bet right now to make that move and go for it .

 

[RangerBoy]

Of course he would. It removes pretty much every player that needs a new contract and forces you to replace 5 bodies with brand new ones!


But seriously why do you care about his stamp of approval? Who cares.

Why do you always have to chime? If what was up to you, the Rangers would not trade anyone. I remember when I proposed Brassard for Zibanejad 5 months before the trade was made, you chimed with your usual sarcastic bullshit of "so now we are trading Brassard". It only turned to be one of best trades made by the Rangers organization. You like the mediocrity of being competitive.

You don't know what are you talking about. You thought the Rangers were going to fire Quinn after their western Canadian road trip. You thought the Rangers play on that trip was "some of the most excruciating hockey i have watched in the last 15 years". Really?

 

[FIRE DRURY]

He has always been sort of a father figure for me.

Seriously though, I agree a lot with what RB have believed lately (but I hate the bridge deals).

Good try, but he still won’t Like your post Ola.

Rumor is he came close to liking someone’s post this one time a few months back, and then shortly after realized it was his own post.

I respect your efforts though and have rewarded you with 1 Like. Use it wisely my friend.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

Why do you always have to chime? If what was up to you, the Rangers would not trade anyone. I remember when I proposed Brassard for Zibanejad 5 months before the trade was made, you chimed with your usual sarcastic bull**** of "so now we are trading Brassard". It only turned to be one of best trades made by the Rangers organization. You like the mediocrity of being competitive.

You don't know what are you talking about. You thought the Rangers were going to fire Quinn after their western Canadian road trip. You thought the Rangers play on that trip was "some of the most excruciating hockey i have watched in the last 15 years". Really?

That was a great trade. Probably Gortons best move.

His next move with Zibanejad will be even more interesting. Gorton is like Clooney... Once his players reach a certain age, peace the **** out! If Zbad maintains this level of play, he’s easily looking at 10M+ to retain. But, that’ll be one of those dreaded Late 20 Retirement Contracts.

Decisions Decisions.

 

[Fitzy]

My "Never would happen but it interesting to think about" trade of the day is Nylander for Trouba straight up.

 

[Lone Ranger]

The last thing I want to hear from the rangers is concerns about tickets sales. Because honestly, lower your freaking prices. Get rid of your little ticket exchange which is a scam to horde tickets for legalized scalping and extortion. I never asked for a single lockout but I was force fed 4 "for the fans" just to see exponential ticket increases. So teams can eat more than 3 years of slumping sales if this is their strategy "for the fans". Build me a winner that I will most certainly watch from my couch.

And the worst authority on fixing attendance woes is the New York Rangers. Hockey is different here, anyone? They paraded the star farewell tour that gave us the 1997-2004 disaster. Because NYC demands stars so we better sell off the youth for someone else's former big name.

This organization was saved by the cap. They can't forget history and make the same mistakes. We all know Panarin was signed for the star power and the empty promise we would be competitive immediately. He is everything he was billed to be on an individual level, but fans aren't paying these prices to see a star. And there are no shortcuts to winning in this league. Build organically and follow the process. Panarin was their one self-indulgent detour. Keep doing it and we are doomed.

This. I'm going to a quarter of the games that I was ten years ago. Every time I price tickets for myself, my wife, and kids, I end up getting sticker shock at the total and passing them up.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Which is why I hope this team uses the draft capital and prospects they've accumulated to trade for young nhlers and end the rebuild. Or else we'll be in the same cycle as buffalo and Edmonton.

Eventually you have to take some high risks if you want a chance to win.

There it is again!

 

[Fitzy]

This. I'm going to a quarter of the games that I was ten years ago. Every time I price tickets for myself, my wife, and kids, I end up getting sticker shock at the total and passing them up.

With HDTV and surround sound, VR, ect, the TV viewing experience is getting so good that you have to feel like the demand for tickets is gonna go down.

That said, we have plenty of teams like Ottawa and Carolina that flat out can't get people to games, so we have sort of a market-to-market discrepancy.

 

[kinger8998]

Who would yourguys' targets be as a 2LW if we trade Kreider? Kravtsov and Kakko project as long term RW, and I personally don't see Buchnevich being here for the long haul either as 2LW or 3RW.

 

[Richard Banger]

There it is again!

It will always be in the back of teams heads when rebuilding.