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Speculation: Roster Building/Rumor Thread XVII

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Edge said:
Not much new from my last post.

Buch has at least three teams seriously interested. Strome has a handful of teams. Rangers still listening on LD help. Larkin is looking more like a hold until the TDL. LA is asking about several wingers around the league. Vancouver is looking to change things up on their wings.
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Damn, I’m very much in the Larkin camp.
 
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Edge said:
Also keeping in mind that there's been no word on anyone seeing the medical records yet.

So even if we get an agreement on the price, you still need to review the records.
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Those medical records are the key for sure. Although, I wonder if some team's medical staff will interpret them differently.
 
Off Sides said:
I feel like an already contending team trading late 1sts/futures for cheap cap hit players to fill roles is different than this.
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I mean Im' not totally thrilled about acquiring Goodrow like that, and also kind of feel like again maybe they should have just kept Fast...

But if they keep it to one guy then I don't think it's a huge issue. Guys like Baron and Rooney and even Gauthier could be developed into quality bottom sixers (well, Rooney is what he is but he can center the 4th line and PK I guess) not to mention some guys like Cuylle, Berard, etc.

So I think if you keep it at just acquiring Goodrow and overpaying a bit and work on bringing along those others guys I mentioned, it's workable. Realistic or not I think the Rangers are hoping to contend within Goodrow's "window" as well
 
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Loki Dog 74 said:
Alright... wait a minute. So, just for context.

Over the past 3 seasons, among all centers:

Phillip Danault ranks 46th among all centers in the NHL in points. Ryan Strome ranks 36th. Dylan Larkin ranks 33rd. Bo Horvat ranks 31st.

Phillip Danault ranks 25th in 5v5 points. Strome ranks 40th. Larkin ranks 28th. Bo Horvat ranks 34th.

Phillip Danault is 54.5% on faceoffs. Strome is 46.3%. Larkin is 52.7%. Horvat is 54.6%.

Phillip Danault ranks in 112th in PP TOI. Strome ranks 39th. Larkin ranks 33rd. Horvat ranks 4th!!

Over the past 3 years, Strome has put up 19 more points, Larkin has put 25 more points and Horvat has put up a total of 29 more points than Danault. That’s TOTAL production, not 5v5. Danault has out scored ALL of them at 5v5. Danault ranks 112th in PP time during this stretch. This past season Danault was 151st in PP time among centers.

Over that same 3 season stretch Danault has the 4th most PK minutes in the NHL for centers. Strome is 60th. Larkin is 93rd. Horvat is 130th.

I'm just not seeing the offensive black hole that people want to hyperbolize Danault as just because he was used as a full-blown shutdown center this past season with only 17 total minutes of PP time on the year. The previous 2 years he had 53 and 47 points and did so on a low scoring team without being surrounded by a lot of offensive talent. His even strength production is 25th best among ALL centers in the NHL over the past 3 years. Maybe if got top 50 PP minutes instead of 112-151, he'd put up an additional 15-20 points? And he'd still be elite defensively.

You guys want to pay serious assets to acquire some of these guys - yes, I get it, they’re younger, Larkin’s been stuck on a bad team, etc. Yet offense isn’t this team’s problem - it’s defense, two-way responsibility and being difficult to play against. Danault out produces all of these guys at 5v5 and he hasn’t exactly been surrounded by superstar offense either. His team’s top scorer had less points than Panarin had assists. Give him Strome’s role next to Panarin (#2 even strength producer in the NHL behind only McDavid) and give him Strome’s PP minutes and Danault out produces all of them in total points as well. Over 3 years he is 19 points behind Strome, 25 behind Larkin, 29 behind Horvat. Less than 10 points per year with virtually ZERO power play time. Danault for free is a steal and getting him signed to a sub-6M contract and then putting him with Panarin is also a steal. He’ll outperform that contract.
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With the wingers we have, I'd take Danault at 6per over 5
 
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Edge said:
Not much new from my last post.

Buch has at least three teams seriously interested. Strome has a handful of teams. Rangers still listening on LD help. Larkin is looking more like a hold until the TDL. LA is asking about several wingers around the league. Vancouver is looking to change things up on their wings.
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Buch to Van for the 9th OA

9, 15 Georgiev, Chytil, Jones for Eichel
 
So GMs will waste a ton of time negotiating a trade, only to have the medical record come in and maybe squash the trade?

Seems odd to me.
 
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Loki Dog 74 said:
Alright... wait a minute. So, just for context.

Over the past 3 seasons, among all centers:

Phillip Danault ranks 46th among all centers in the NHL in points. Ryan Strome ranks 36th. Dylan Larkin ranks 33rd. Bo Horvat ranks 31st.

Phillip Danault ranks 25th in 5v5 points. Strome ranks 40th. Larkin ranks 28th. Bo Horvat ranks 34th.

Phillip Danault is 54.5% on faceoffs. Strome is 46.3%. Larkin is 52.7%. Horvat is 54.6%.

Phillip Danault ranks in 112th in PP TOI. Strome ranks 39th. Larkin ranks 33rd. Horvat ranks 4th!!

Over the past 3 years, Strome has put up 19 more points, Larkin has put 25 more points and Horvat has put up a total of 29 more points than Danault. That’s TOTAL production, not 5v5. Danault has out scored ALL of them at 5v5. Danault ranks 112th in PP time during this stretch. This past season Danault was 151st in PP time among centers.

Over that same 3 season stretch Danault has the 4th most PK minutes in the NHL for centers. Strome is 60th. Larkin is 93rd. Horvat is 130th.

I'm just not seeing the offensive black hole that people want to hyperbolize Danault as just because he was used as a full-blown shutdown center this past season with only 17 total minutes of PP time on the year. The previous 2 years he had 53 and 47 points and did so on a low scoring team without being surrounded by a lot of offensive talent. His even strength production is 25th best among ALL centers in the NHL over the past 3 years. Maybe if got top 50 PP minutes instead of 112-151, he'd put up an additional 15-20 points? And he'd still be elite defensively.

You guys want to pay serious assets to acquire some of these guys - yes, I get it, they’re younger, Larkin’s been stuck on a bad team, etc. Yet offense isn’t this team’s problem - it’s defense, two-way responsibility and being difficult to play against. Danault arguably does that more than any of them do. Danault out produces all of these guys at 5v5 and he hasn’t exactly been surrounded by superstar offense either. His team’s top scorer had less points than Panarin had assists. Give him Strome’s role next to Panarin (#2 even strength producer in the NHL behind only McDavid) and give him Strome’s PP minutes and Danault out produces all of them in total points as well. Over 3 years he is 19 points behind Strome, 25 behind Larkin, 29 behind Horvat. Less than 10 points per year with virtually ZERO power play time.

Danault for free is a steal and getting him signed to a sub-6M contract and then putting him with Panarin is also a steal. What's a Strome extension cost? A Larkin extension in 2 years? If he already out produces them at 5v5 and you put him on a line with the #2 5v5 producer in the world, how could his production not improve? If he goes from 151st in the NHL in PP time (just among centers!) to top 40 minutes for centers, how does his production not go up? He’ll outperform that contract.
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Sign me up for Danault but I wouldn't put him with Panarin... I'd put him between Laf and Kakko.
I'd also send Chytil and 15OA to AZ for Dvorak. Plan B for Zib in case he's not here long term.
To top it off, send Strome to Ottawa for Pinto and a 2nd.
 
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