Speculation: Roster Building/Rumor Thread XVII

[Taluss]

Love how we're all juiced up for the 3rd day in a row. Can almost guarantee at this point that we'll stand pat and do nothing today lol

Yep, come on everyone lets not fall for this again lol

 

[MrAlmost]

For some of you older fans - can you imagine Twitter and hfboards during the Quebec Nordiques Lindros trade to the Flyers and Rangers?

I can for HFBoards. 404 Error. Page not found. Haha

 

[Lion Hound]

I did not know having to be able to count is a requirement for the website.

Shit...i didn't know that either. Will there be some sort of training on it, for people that need extra help?

 

[RiffyNYR61]

I hope none of the trades leak. I want to be surprised when I see the opening lineup in October.

HOF comment IMO

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Shit...i didn't know that either. Will there be some sort of training on it, for people that need extra help?

I think the mods will be holding extra help sessions in the coming weeks before the test.

 

[will1066]

Tampa traded a first round pick for Goodrow, and a prospect and a first round pick for Coleman. While they didn't give them big contracts they still paid a decent price to acquire "those types of players" in the first place

e: my point being honestly it's not simple to just "develop those players!"
The Rangers tried to do that with Howden, they hope they'll get something with Barron, but there's a difference between "cheap guy you can throw in the bottom six" and "really effective bottom six player who makes the whole team better" and the latter are actually decently tough to find sometimes

Good points

 

[NYblades]

No, I'm going to trust that all the insiders #dotherightthing and keep it to themselves.

 

[dshea19]

Good Ole Gary pulled the Emergency Brakes. And some. ESPN gonna get the boost it ”needs” after the leakage fiasco that took place preceding the expansion Draft. Patience Pilgrims. There Will be blood

I was wondering if this was happening. Trades during the draft drive up viewing numbers.

 

[smoneil]

Again, I ask people to explain why they are so against trading Kakko for Eichel. Eichel is the more valuable player, scores more, plays the more important position. So what's the issue here? Because of Kakko's potential as a top 6 winger? How about Eichel's 100 point potential playing with Artemi?

Just like Nash's 100 point potential playing with Richards, Stepan, and Gaborik, am I right? 20 year old players are expected to improve. 25 year old players 6 years into a career aren't going to suddenly put up 20+ points more than their career high just by switching teams.

 

[Off Sides]

Tampa traded a first round pick for Goodrow, and a prospect and a first round pick for Coleman. While they didn't give them big contracts they still paid a decent price to acquire "those types of players" in the first place

e: my point being honestly it's not simple to just "develop those players!"
The Rangers tried to do that with Howden, they hope they'll get something with Barron, but there's a difference between "cheap guy you can throw in the bottom six" and "really effective bottom six player who makes the whole team better" and the latter are actually decently tough to find sometimes

I feel like an already contending team trading late 1sts/futures for cheap cap hit players to fill roles is different than this.

 

[RiffyNYR61]

Re: the Nils/Schneider + Chytil + Kravtsov + 15OA proposal—- am I correct that NYR couldn’t do such a deal due to cap constraints? Would one of Strome/Buch NEED to be included?

 

[Edge]

Re: the Nils/Schneider + Chytil + Kravtsov + 15OA proposal—- am I correct that NYR couldn’t do such a deal due to cap constraints? Would one of Strome/Buch NEED to be included?

Beyond that, there's a reason the Rangers laughed off that possibility.

In some cases, you're talking "or" between those names, not "and" between them.

 

[will1066]

Chris Fowler: The Buffalo Bills have traded Jake Reichel to the New York Rangers in exchange for Phil Cheadle, Mike Zeeba-nayjad?... help me, Kevin Weekes.

 

[rangers1314]

Beyond that, there's a reason the Rangers laughed off that possibility.

In some cases, you're talking "or" between those names, not "and" between them.

Anything new on the streets, sir?

 

[rangers1314]

Chris Fowler: The Buffalo Bills have traded Jake Reichel to the New York Rangers in exchange for Phil Cheadle, Mike Zeeba-nayjad?... help me, Kevin Weekes.

Yeah, who's the crew for tonight on espn2?

 

[Thirty One]

Beyond that, there's a reason the Rangers laughed off that possibility.

In some cases, you're talking "or" between those names, not "and" between them.

I would do Schneider or Chytil or Kravtsov or 15th easily.

 

[Thirty One]

Yeah, who's the crew for tonight on espn2?

Jay Buhner, Detlef Schrempf, Ricky Watters

 

[rangers1314]

 

[Cag29]

Good points

Great points. You have to pay for talent. Goodrow is exactly what we needed. He will play that way from day one. Hopefully he will show some others how it’s done.

 

[Edge]

Anything new on the streets, sir?

Not much new from my last post.

Buch has at least three teams seriously interested. Strome has a handful of teams. Rangers still listening on LD help. Larkin is looking more like a hold until the TDL. LA is asking about several wingers around the league. Vancouver is looking to change things up on their wings.

 

[EpicDing]

Yeah, who's the crew for tonight on espn2?

Per ESPN's site:
Hosted by ESPN’s John Buccigross and joined by Sportsnet analysts Elliotte Friedman and Sam Cosentino. ESPN analyst Kevin Weekes, NHL Network’s Jackie Redmond and ESPN hockey writer and reporter Emily Kaplan will also be featured throughout the coverage.

 

[LokiDog]

Alright... wait a minute. So, just for context.

Over the past 3 seasons, among all centers:

Phillip Danault ranks 46th among all centers in the NHL in points. Ryan Strome ranks 36th. Dylan Larkin ranks 33rd. Bo Horvat ranks 31st.

Phillip Danault ranks 25th in 5v5 points. Strome ranks 40th. Larkin ranks 28th. Bo Horvat ranks 34th.

Phillip Danault is 54.5% on faceoffs. Strome is 46.3%. Larkin is 52.7%. Horvat is 54.6%.

Phillip Danault ranks in 112th in PP TOI. Strome ranks 39th. Larkin ranks 33rd. Horvat ranks 4th!!

Over the past 3 years, Strome has put up 19 more points, Larkin has put 25 more points and Horvat has put up a total of 29 more points than Danault. That’s TOTAL production, not 5v5. Danault has out scored ALL of them at 5v5. Danault ranks 112th in PP time during this stretch. This past season Danault was 151st in PP time among centers.

Over that same 3 season stretch Danault has the 4th most PK minutes in the NHL for centers. Strome is 60th. Larkin is 93rd. Horvat is 130th.

I'm just not seeing the offensive black hole that people want to hyperbolize Danault as just because he was used as a full-blown shutdown center this past season with only 17 total minutes of PP time on the year. The previous 2 years he had 53 and 47 points and did so on a low scoring team without being surrounded by a lot of offensive talent. His even strength production is 25th best among ALL centers in the NHL over the past 3 years. Maybe if got top 50 PP minutes instead of 112-151, he'd put up an additional 15-20 points? And he'd still be elite defensively.

You guys want to pay serious assets to acquire some of these guys - yes, I get it, they’re younger, Larkin’s been stuck on a bad team, etc. Yet offense isn’t this team’s problem - it’s defense, two-way responsibility and being difficult to play against. Danault arguably does that more than any of them do. Danault out produces all of these guys at 5v5 and he hasn’t exactly been surrounded by superstar offense either. His team’s top scorer had less points than Panarin had assists. Give him Strome’s role next to Panarin (#2 even strength producer in the NHL behind only McDavid) and give him Strome’s PP minutes and Danault out produces all of them in total points as well. Over 3 years he is 19 points behind Strome, 25 behind Larkin, 29 behind Horvat. Less than 10 points per year with virtually ZERO power play time.

Danault for free is a steal and getting him signed to a sub-6M contract and then putting him with Panarin is also a steal. What's a Strome extension cost? A Larkin extension in 2 years? If he already out produces them at 5v5 and you put him on a line with the #2 5v5 producer in the world, how could his production not improve? If he goes from 151st in the NHL in PP time (just among centers!) to top 40 minutes for centers, how does his production not go up? He’ll outperform that contract.

 

[Edge]

I would do Schneider or Chytil or Kravtsov or 15th easily.

Also keeping in mind that there's been no word on anyone seeing the medical records yet.

So even if we get an agreement on the price, you still need to review the records.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Chris Fowler: The Buffalo Bills have traded Jake Reichel to the New York Rangers in exchange for Phil Cheadle, Mike Zeeba-nayjad?... help me, Kevin Weekes.

Never forget

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

Am I the only one who would trade Kakko for Eichel? 2nd overall franchise center for a 2nd overall franchise (Hopefully) winger

Please, no.