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True Blue said:
I am not that passionate about it either. Or any 4th liner. Which is why I completely disagree with the notion that he is blocking anyone. And if you do not care if he is not blocking anyone, then who cares if he is the 4th line center?

Come on. Really?

This is a 4C. Who do the Rangers really NEED there? I already told you what he brings. And why I would agree if he were signed. But frankly whatever it is that he brings, he has in in spades over guys like Nieves and Letteiri.
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Doesn't matter to me if he's not blocking someone. I'd rather have a season of Boo Nieves trying to establish himself as a viable option than Brian Boyle occupying the spot. This isn't a year where we're going to contend, so yeah, I'd rather watch a Nieves or someone all year. And given that we have four (potential) centers with Bowden, Andersson, and Chytil, I like knowing that we can slide one down to the 4C spot if they're struggling rather than moving them to a wing because, oh shit, Brian Boyle is the 4C.

Second point, yes, really. I'm obviously being dramatic. But why not sign any of those guys? They are all grizzled, leader-types, will require little money to sign, and would probably be fine on a wing. Why Boyle and not them? They wouldn't be blocking anyone, either.

The Rangers don't need a designated 4C heading into camp. They have lots of young players. They have lots of guys like Strome that could be the 4C. There's no need to add him. I just don't see it. I fully maintain that if he never played here, no one would be advocating for his signing, other than maybe bern for synergy purposes.
 
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Gardner McKay said:
Really? I see the opposite. There is really no upside.

I like Boyle. I really do. The guy is all heart and people underestimate how important that is in the locker room as well as how important character and leadership are. But there is no point. We have enough quantity at C already.

I never understood the perpetual desire for Rangers retreads.
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A lot of us are NY Giants fans and are just used to this by now.
 
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Tawnos said:
Except that he'll be $600k+ higher paid than someone else at that position and we need all the cap space we can get in order to minimize any potential bonus deferral to next year's cap.
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agreed but I'd also suspect that bringing him in only becomes an option if we move out enough cap space that the cap is no longer an issue. if they are looking to sign a veteran center if probably means names and strome were both traded.
 
Gardner McKay said:
Really? I see the opposite. There is really no upside.

I like Boyle. I really do. The guy is all heart and people underestimate how important that is in the locker room as well as how important character and leadership are. But there is no point. We have enough quantity at C already.

I never understood the perpetual desire for Rangers retreads.
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well the potential upside would be the positive impact he could have on andersson and howden as the potential 3C...what can he teach them? and how much would having him in the locker room help their development? to me that is the ONLY reason to bring boyle in. otherwise its just a space filler
 
Tawnos said:
I'm the most outspoken proponent on this board when it comes to character and leadership and even I don't want him, despite the fact that he's great in those regards. That should tell everyone something.
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I feel you. I absolutely agree on how important it is and I agree that we don't need him. I think most people just would do anything to not see Strome in the line up and its quite absurd.

I mean, for ****s sake, I feel like they would rather see Messier come out of retirement and lace them up if it meant Strome didn't set foot on the ice this season. I get it that Strome isn't good but come on, 35 year old Brian Boyle? Making any sort of C signing at this time really isn't the answer. Between Zibanejad, Chytil, Andersson, Strome, Howden, you already have one too many centers. This is the year you see what you have in your young guns and that is exactly what JG is going to do. Deal with the growing pains and suckitude of Strome this year, see if anyone is ready to be a 2C and if not, make a move later this year or next year.
 
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Leetch3 said:
agreed but I'd also suspect that bringing him in only becomes an option if we move out enough cap space that the cap is no longer an issue. if they are looking to sign a veteran center if probably means names and strome were both traded.
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Which I doubt is going to happen. Not both of them.
 
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Gardner McKay said:
I feel you. I absolutely agree on how important it is and I agree that we don't need him. I think most people just would do anything to not see Strome in the line up and its quite absurd.

I mean, for ****s sake, I feel like they would rather see Messier come out of retirement and lace them up if it meant Strome didn't set foot on the ice this season. I get it that Strome isn't good but come on, 35 year old Brian Boyle? Making any sort of C signing at this time really isn't the answer. Between Zibanejad, Chytil, Andersson, Strome, Howden, you already have one too many centers. This is the year you see what you have in your young guns and that is exactly what JG is going to do. Deal with the growing pains and suckitude of Strome this year, see if anyone is ready to be a 2C and if not, make a move later this year or next year.
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If none of the often talked about kids are the 4C, and Nieves or McKegg aren't doing it... I'd like to see if we have a 4C type in Fontaine.
 
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True Blue said:
That is your view and that is fair. To me Nieves is a fringe NHLer.
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Skating was never Boyle's strong point. I don't know that a 35 year old Boyle will be able to be as effective on the PK in today's NHL. If Boyle isn't effective on the PK, then he doesn't have a role on a competitive team. Leadership? make him an assistant coach in Hartford. Don't give him minutes he cant excel in anymore.
 
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nyr2k2 said:
Doesn't matter to me if he's not blocking someone. I'd rather have a season of Boo Nieves trying to establish himself as a viable option than Brian Boyle occupying the spot. This isn't a year where we're going to contend, so yeah, I'd rather watch a Nieves or someone all year. And given that we have four (potential) centers with Bowden, Andersson, and Chytil, I like knowing that we can slide one down to the 4C spot if they're struggling rather than moving them to a wing because, oh ****, Brian Boyle is the 4C.
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Listen, if you think that Nieves as proven anything to be handed over a spot, that is up to you. To me, it is debatable if he is even an NHL player. And as I would much rather that Howden, Andersson and Chytil did their developing on a line other than the 4th line, I would rather take a good locker room guy who will set a good example for the kids.
Second point, yes, really. I'm obviously being dramatic. But why not sign any of those guys? They are all grizzled, leader-types, will require little money to sign, and would probably be fine on a wing. Why Boyle and not them? They wouldn't be blocking anyone, either.
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I think that I already listed out my reasons for Boyle being a 4th line center.
The Rangers don't need a designated 4C heading into camp. They have lots of young players. They have lots of guys like Strome that could be the 4C. There's no need to add him. I just don't see it. I fully maintain that if he never played here, no one would be advocating for his signing, other than maybe bern for synergy purposes.
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Strome should not be playing on the 4th line. Neither should the kids that I listed above. And if Boyle would sign a cheap contract and be brought into camp, and then proceed to beat out the likes of Letteri (who would be playing out of position) or Nieves (who has shown exactly a hair more than Letteiri) then these guys should not even be bench warmers in the NHL level. People talk about earning spots but even for a 4C, what have the players you are pounding the table about shown that they should be simply handed a spot?
 
True Blue said:
Strome should not be playing on the 4th line. Neither should the kids that I listed above. And if Boyle would sign a cheap contract and be brought into camp, and then proceed to beat out the likes of Letteri (who would be playing out of position) or Nieves (who has shown exactly a hair more than Letteiri) then these guys should not even be bench warmers in the NHL level. People talk about earning spots but even for a 4C, what have the players you are pounding the table about shown that they should be simply handed a spot?
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When you have 4 guys that could potentially fill the role, nobody is being handed anything.
 
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For me Boyle — might — only fill a role as an alpha male vet presence in the room if you get what I mean. Who will stand up and speak when it’s needed? Do we have someone who can set someone straight if it’s needed? Stuff like that. Some times you do not want a vacuum, you don’t want 22-23 y/o’s trying to step up and fill a void. If Kreider goes we are really inexperienced up front.
 
Ola said:
For me Boyle — might — only fill a role as an alpha male vet presence in the room if you get what I mean. Who will stand up and speak when it’s needed? Do we have someone who can set someone straight if it’s needed? Stuff like that. Some times you do not want a vacuum, you don’t want 22-23 y/o’s trying to step up and fill a void. If Kreider goes we are really inexperienced up front.
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Don't think you need an alpha male vet presence for every position. But there is already Quinn who is going to be the most important guy for the kids. Then theres Lundqvist, Zibanejad, Panarin, Staal, Shattenkirk.
 
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GodlyRangers said:
Don't think you need an alpha male vet presence for every position. But there is already Quinn who is going to be the most important guy for the kids. Then theres Lundqvist, Zibanejad, Panarin, Staal, Shattenkirk.
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Agreed, and I am not saying that we need. The only reason to get him would be if those vets weren’t enough.
 
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If we trade Kreider and one of Strome and Namestnikov before opening day, I think we will bring in at least one more cheap vet forward. We have a ton of youth we're all dying to watch grow -- but we must find a balance between giving young forwards room to grow and forcing them into situations they aren't prepared for. Obviously, the team is filled with youth so we need to guard against being a team that over-exposes its youth like the Oilers.
 
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