Speculation: Roster Building LX: The Return of Cap(tain) Crunch aka LB Bus Stop Theme

[Tawnos]

Role players perennially overestimating their worth isn’t a good look

How much extra money has Boyle made for his family by pushing for chances at a larger role?

 

[True Blue]

I hold no grudge against Boyler, I just can't understand why anyone would think he'd be a good move right now.

Cheap, good locker room guy, good with kids, has size, and not really holding anyone back from playing 4C.

 

[RGY]

It's the 4C spot. Whose spot would he be taking? Nieves? I would take Boyle ahead of Boo any day of the week.

Truer words have never been spoken.

Its absurd the overreaction this board provides. Oh no Brian Boyle is going to play 4C on a fairly cheap contract and block none other than....Boo Nieves. Or Mckegg. Or Lettieri, if they were to give him minutes on the wing.

I read a “perennial role player” as if its supposed to be degrading towards him and yet people would rather have the perennial AHLers who can never do enough to stick. Yep those guys over the man who has carved out an NHL career as a great role player.

 

[Avery16]

How much extra money has Boyle made for his family by pushing for chances at a larger role?

Ok, great for his family. However, he doesn’t play those larger roles as well as he believes he does, so I don’t think it’s in our interest as a hopefully competitive sports team to sign him to that contract.

 

[Avery16]

Truer words have never been spoken.

Its absurd the overreaction this board provides. Oh no Brian Boyle is going to play 4C on a fairly cheap contract and block none other than....Boo Nieves. Or Mckegg. Or Lettieri, if they were to give him minutes on the wing.

I read a “perennial role player” as if its supposed to be degrading towards him and yet people would rather have the perennial AHLers who can never do enough to stick. Yep those guys over the man who has carved out an NHL career as a great role player.

Maybe you should check your reading. I said a role player that perennially overestimates his worth, not a perennial role player. Those are two entirely different things.

 

[Tawnos]

Ok, great for his family. However, he doesn’t play those larger roles as well as he believes he does, so I don’t think it’s in our interest as a hopefully competitive sports team to sign him to that contract.

No disagreement with your assessment of him as a player or his fit on this team. But I disagree that it’s a bad look for him to push for that stuff. In fact, I admire him for it.

 

[Avery16]

Not to mention, if Boyle was going to sign a relatively cheap contract as a 4C, he wouldn’t have to wait for teams to figure out their cap situation. It’s obvious that he’s gunning for $ and term.

 

[nyr2k2]

Cheap, good locker room guy, good with kids, has size, and not really holding anyone back from playing 4C.

Truer words have never been spoken.

Its absurd the overreaction this board provides. Oh no Brian Boyle is going to play 4C on a fairly cheap contract and block none other than....Boo Nieves. Or Mckegg. Or Lettieri, if they were to give him minutes on the wing.

I read a “perennial role player” as if its supposed to be degrading towards him and yet people would rather have the perennial AHLers who can never do enough to stick. Yep those guys over the man who has carved out an NHL career as a great role player.

I said this previously when we signed McLeod and McQuaid, and everyone is like, oh, they're Good Locker Room Guys and they'll get limited minutes and it won't be a big deal, and in McLeod's case he'll probably end up in Hartford! (I am sure Brian Boyle brings more than McLeod; just follow me for a second)

That would all be well and good if we were a team on the cusp of contention, who could really benefit from one of those battle-tested, "been there, done that," defensively responsible lower-line players. We are not that team. While I am very much excited about this upcoming season, we're still in a mode where we need to give every opportunity to every young prospect in the organization. We do not need plugs like Brian Boyle occupying any minutes at this point. If we're signing guys, they need to be impact players who will be here for at least a few years, or they need to get the f*** out of here. I appreciate what Brian Boyle is and brings to the table, but why does our team need that at this point in its rebuild? We don't.

So, I don't really think it's an overreaction. I just want as many opportunities to exist as possible for the younger kids, even if it's a Vinni Lettieri, and to not clog the roster with 35-year-old nostalgia projects who are Good Locker Room Guys. We're not at a point in our development where we need that.

 

[Avery16]

Maybe you should check your reading. I said a role player that perennially overestimates his worth, not a perennial role player. Those are two entirely different things.

Yes it’s admirable and kind of charming if you have a 4th liners who believes he will captain their team to a Stanley Cup. That doesn’t mean I’m ok with paying someone according to that personal aspiration.

 

[RGY]

Yes it’s admirable and kind of charming if you have a 4th liners who believes he will captain their team to a Stanley Cup. That doesn’t mean I’m ok with paying someone according to that personal aspiration.

I hope you meant to quote someone else here. I am assuming 2k2

 

[LORDE]

This is highway robbery. I demand an arbitrator.

If ur ass goes to arb I’m walking away and EDM will claim u

 

[nyr2k2]

I hope you meant to quote someone else here. I am assuming 2k2

Are you sure he's not arguing with himself?

Anyway, probably not me as it seems he and I are on the same general side, albeit for different reasons. My opposition to bringing him in has nothing to do with money (although it probably should), it's just about him not filling a need in any way, shape, or form.

 

[NYR Viper]

I'd take Boyle as a 4LW. Similar role he played with Dominic Moore was in NY

 

[Greg02]

I hold no grudge against Boyler, I just can't understand why anyone would think he'd be a good move right now.

McCartney would change his name back, a step towards making this forum less confusing.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

McCartney would change his name back, a step towards making this forum less confusing.

Sandy or Paul?





Yes, I know it's Sandy McCarthy.

 

[SA16]

I'd take Boyle as the 2C in Hartford.

 

[will1066]

If ur ass goes to arb I’m walking away and EDM will claim u

You can't walk away from arb. However, the prospect of being claimed by EDM scares me. Every time EDM claims someone, it's more like an abduction, with the abductee being dragged away against his will and leaving fingernails behind.

 

[True Blue]

While I am very much excited about this upcoming season, we're still in a mode where we need to give every opportunity to every young prospect in the organization. We do not need plugs like Brian Boyle occupying any minutes at this point. If we're signing guys, they need to be impact players who will be here for at least a few years, or they need to get the **** out of here. I appreciate what Brian Boyle is and brings to the table, but why does our team need that at this point in its rebuild? We don't.

Again, what young prospects would he be blocking from playing 4C? If you are talking saying that signing players should be about signing impact players, who do you envision being such a player as a fourth line center? You do need good veteran leadership. If you are pounding the table that signing him would be preventing Nieves from being a full time player, I say "so what"? Who is Boo Nieves? What the youngsters do NEED is good veteran leadership. Signing Boyle to play 6-8 minutes a night instead of giving that role to Nieves does not change the ultimate construct of the team.

I just want as many opportunities to exist as possible for the younger kids, even if it's a Vinni Lettieri, and to not clog the roster with 35-year-old nostalgia projects who are Good Locker Room Guys. We're not at a point in our development where we need that.

So far, Lettieri has shown that he is nothing but a AAAA player, in multiple chances. And a wing at that. Not a center. If there was a legit player that you could see being groomed for such a spot, I would see and support your point. But Lettieri? Nieves? Come on. I would rather have Boyle, his size, his leadership and his locker room presence than both Lettieri and Nieves put together. And if Lettieri could not come into camp and beat him out for a spot, what would that tell you about Lettieri?

 

[SA16]

Brian Boyle is old, slow, not very good, and going to command more than a min cap hit and the Rangers are over the cap.

 

[Avery16]

Again, what young prospects would he be blocking from playing 4C? If you are talking saying that signing players should be about signing impact players, who do you envision being such a player as a fourth line center? You do need good veteran leadership. If you are pounding the table that signing him would be preventing Nieves from being a full time player, I say "so what"? Who is Boo Nieves? What the youngsters do NEED is good veteran leadership. Signing Boyle to play 6-8 minutes a night instead of giving that role to Nieves does not change the ultimate construct of the team.

So far, Lettieri has shown that he is nothing but a AAAA player, in multiple chances. And a wing at that. Not a center. If there was a legit player that you could see being groomed for such a spot, I would see and support your point. But Lettieri? Nieves? Come on. I would rather have Boyle, his size, his leadership and his locker room presence than both Lettieri and Nieves put together. And if Lettieri could not come into camp and beat him out for a spot, what would that tell you about Lettieri?

What you (and a few others in this thread) are assuming without basis is that this is in fact the role that Boyle wants in his next contract. I don't think it is. I also believe he wants to sign for more than one year. He may be holding out for more than two. Plus we're over cap and grasping at straws for ways to get under. Boyle on our 4th line (which again, I don't think he's interested in) is a luxury that doesn't really benefit us, and we also cannot afford.

 

[NYR Viper]

Brian Boyle is old, slow, not very good, and going to command more than a min cap hit and the Rangers are over the cap.

And he will also return something like a 3rd rounder at the deadline.

If the Rangers had the cap space, I'd sign Boyle to a 1 year deal, overpay slightly, and then move him at the deadline to a team looking to bolster their chances at the deadline. By that time, hopefully, someone like Gettinger, Meskanen or Lettieri can take over that role

 

[Avery16]

And he will also return something like a 3rd rounder at the deadline.

If the Rangers had the cap space, I'd sign Boyle to a 1 year deal, overpay slightly, and then move him at the deadline to a team looking to bolster their chances at the deadline. By that time, hopefully, someone like Gettinger, Meskanen or Lettieri can take over that role

If you over pay and he isn't willing to sign a one year deal, they you probably won't be able to move him at the deadline. Boyle has been down this road, and its probably why he hasn't, and probably won't unless he has to, sign a one year deal.

 

[nyr2k2]

Again, what young prospects would he be blocking from playing 4C? If you are talking saying that signing players should be about signing impact players, who do you envision being such a player as a fourth line center? You do need good veteran leadership. If you are pounding the table that signing him would be preventing Nieves from being a full time player, I say "so what"? Who is Boo Nieves? What the youngsters do NEED is good veteran leadership. Signing Boyle to play 6-8 minutes a night instead of giving that role to Nieves does not change the ultimate construct of the team.

So far, Lettieri has shown that he is nothing but a AAAA player, in multiple chances. And a wing at that. Not a center. If there was a legit player that you could see being groomed for such a spot, I would see and support your point. But Lettieri? Nieves? Come on. I would rather have Boyle, his size, his leadership and his locker room presence than both Lettieri and Nieves put together. And if Lettieri could not come into camp and beat him out for a spot, what would that tell you about Lettieri?

Look, I'm not particularly passionate about this debate, so I'm not going to go point for point on this for the next several pages. Boyle is coming up on 35, offers nothing but "leadership" in a locker room he's unfamiliar with, and probably will cost more than the minimum when we don't have any space. I don't care who he would be blocking. I don't care if he would be blocking no one! We don't need what he brings. Not now. But, if for some reason we need to sign a 4c? Go find one that isn't 35. Find me someone that may still have an ounce of upside.

If this guy's name was Brandon Boynton no one would give two shits about him. Why don't we bring back Lindberg or Pyatt? Chris Kunitz made $1M last year, he's a guy. Why not put him on the 4RW spot? I mean, who is he blocking? Lettieri? How about Riley Sheahan? Only 27. We could also sign Troy Brouwer and put him at 4LW. Brouwer-Boyle-Kunitz. So much leadership in one place.

We don't need any of those guys and we don't need Brian f***ing Boyle. Go to camp with what you have and if you need to add a veteran somewhere, there will be plenty available to snag. I don't have anything else to add--if you think Boyle brings something that this team really needs, fine--I disagree.

 

[TheTakedown]

Don't you want your 4C to ideally be a 3C that isn't as good as another 3C that you already have? That's basically what Boyle would be. Excluding Zib, you have Strome, Chytil, Andersson, Howden, and Nieves, with probably 2 of those going to wing. I don't believe Howden is a good player but what do I know. There's room for a guy like Boyle on the 4th line as far as playing time is concerned.

Contract is the primary reason why he won't be coming here

 

[FIRE DRURY]

Panarin
Zbad
Fast
Kreider*
Strome
Names*
Staal
Trouba
Shatty*
Smith*
Lundqvist

Skjei and Buch are entering their 4th NHL seasons.

The idea that we need vets that are good lockeroom guys makes no sense to me considering we have vets on this team. Even if some of the guys listed above are bought out or traded.