Speculation: Roster Building LX: The Return of Cap(tain) Crunch aka LB Bus Stop Theme

[Kovalev27]

I still cannot believe we can’t get someone to take shattenkirk for 2 years and what 3.5 mil per by retaining? He’s an offensive righty D. That’s insane to me.

Trade namestnikov that is the other one.

You don’t bring back Strome next year certainly not at the expense of a Kreider or Buchnevich this year. There’s a lot of dead weight here that we need to just cut bait on. But moving your talented players like Kreider and Buchnevich makes very little sense to me. Why’d you sign panarin if you aren’t going to try and win games now with talented players around him.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

I echo everything Dave presented right there, including his overall demeanor.

 

[RGY]

Read my post again a little more carefully. Namestnikov or Buchnevich would have to go in any scenario where Kreider is on the team opening night.

I did read it, and I disagree Buch would have to go. Hence why I wrote what I did.

 

[Greg02]

Not sure if I missed discussion of this earlier, but ESPN did a power ranking and put us at 14: https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/27239491/nhl-power-rankings-rating-every-team-heading-2019-20

 

[effen]

ive said this before but the rosters people are running out are pretty light on grit, jam, pugnacity, and truculence.

as constituted they're gonna get bodied pretty hard, it may not happen before the season for structural reasons but there's probably a trade or two in the works this year to add some McGrits at the expense of skill this year. id be shocked if Quinn was good with the lineup as is

 

[Good Intentions]

Just had a strange premonition I would scroll through the top of this page and/or bolded mint thread and find a Kreider trade. Sooner or later.

 

[I Eat Crow]

I did read it, and I disagree Buch would have to go. Hence why I wrote what I did.

That wasn't clear, my bad.

The Rangers have to clear at least $6 million more in space to sign Buchnevich, DeAngelo, and Lemieux. Buchnevich will command between 3.5 and 4 million of that. Even if DeAngelo and Lemieux sign their QO's, that doesn't leave very much operating room even if the Rangers clear that.

A Smith buyout clears 2.5 million or so. Namestnikov clears 4 million if the Rangers don't have to retain at all. That's a really close shave.

 

[Thirty One]

ive said this before but the rosters people are running out are pretty light on grit, jam, pugnacity, and truculence.

Still good on moxy though, right?

 

[effen]

Still good on moxy though, right?

that's acceptable but their bite level is alarmingly low

srsly expect a trade for a Boone Jenner type in the near to mid future.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Why discuss Kreider, he is gone by the deadline? They arent resigning him, they didnt want Hayes and he was a center,there is zero chance they give Kreider 45-50 mill for 7 years.....no chance in hell

 

[LaffyTaffy]

If things go right then honestly Barron can replace Kreider’s role within 1-2 seasons. He doesn’t bring the same speed but I think he can provide a netfront presence and any other typical big power forward things.

 

[Thirty One]

Why discuss Kreider, he is gone by the deadline? They arent resigning him, they didnt want Hayes and he was a center,there is zero chance they give Kreider 45-50 mill for 7 years.....no chance in hell

I agree they probably don't, but a couple reasons they might do it for Kreider and not Hayes are that I think they really consider fitness and the commitment to it when deciding to commit long-term to someone, and Kreider's skillset fits a lot better with the somewhat monochromatic skillsets of the key forwards already on board than Hayes'.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

The problem with trading Buch is that it does nothing to alleviate our cap problems, unless we are attached a negative asset to him which would just be a waste.

 

[NYR Viper]

The problem with trading Buch is that it does nothing to alleviate our cap problems, unless we are attached a negative asset to him which would just be a waste.

Eh, it doesn't solve the issue by itself but it helps.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

ive said this before but the rosters people are running out are pretty light on grit, jam, pugnacity, and truculence.

as constituted they're gonna get bodied pretty hard, it may not happen before the season for structural reasons but there's probably a trade or two in the works this year to add some McGrits at the expense of skill this year. id be shocked if Quinn was good with the lineup as is

I don't think this is accurate at all.

I would love to have a top 6 head breaking PF on this team as much as anyone, but those guys aren't exactly readily available. If Kreider stays, they're plenty big in the top 6 (and the bottom 6 has enough of that grit, toughness, yadda yadda.)

They aren't going to be confused for the Caps, but lets not make them out to be NJ Devils like small.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Eh, it doesn't solve the issue by itself but it helps.

It helps in that you don't have to sign him so you won't be adding a hit in the future, but trading Buch removes zero cap hits from this team, on top of the fact that coming back would have to be zero cap hits. If they want to trade him that's fine, but you have to trade either Kreider and/or Namestnikov to actually resolve this team's cap issues, irregardless buying someone out.

 

[Leetch3]

It helps in that you don't have to sign him so you won't be adding a hit in the future, but trading Buch removes zero cap hits from this team, on top of the fact that coming back would have to be zero cap hits. If they want to trade him that's fine, but you have to trade either Kreider and/or Namestnikov to actually resolve this team's cap issues, irregardless buying someone out.

the reason that we need to clear cap is so we can sign buchnevich, deangelo and lemieux. if you are trading those guys instead of signing them that is literally the same as clearing cap space. we don't need to make any moves if we aren't signing those guys.

 

[cheech70]

https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/27240799/rebuild-accelerated-rangers-ready-contend-now

not sure if this was posted decent read

 

[Mikos87]

Plenty have people have used this comparison before for Kreider, but I think the best case scenario is he ages like Erik Cole. While he still was useful into his 30s, that's not the type of player I'd want to have ~9% of the cap dedicated to from ages 29-36. I like Kreider a lot, but he doesn't have the necessary skill to compensate for any future loss in speed, and I don't think we can be dedicating that much of our cap to someone who realistically will become a 3rd liner. It really sucks, but I think it's time to move on from him.

Since it seems like it's coming down to him and Buchnevich, and I'd rather take my chances on Buch being better through his mid-twenties than Kreider into his mid-30s.

MaxPac. I think he and Pacioretty are similar except one is a legitimate 30 goal scorer.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

the reason that we need to clear cap is so we can sign buchnevich, deangelo and lemieux. if you are trading those guys instead of signing them that is literally the same as clearing cap space. we don't need to make any moves if we aren't signing those guys.

If you traded Buch you still wouldn't have the cap space to sign Lemieux and Deangelo at the moment so it would still necessitate another move.

 

[Leetch3]

If you traded Buch you still wouldn't have the cap space to sign Lemieux and Deangelo at the moment so it would still necessitate another move.

they need to make 2 moves whether its 2 trades, a trade and a buyout whatever and dealing buch would be 1 of the moves. if you were gonna sign buch for $3 mil then trading buch would be the same as trading strome as it would 'remove' $3 mil, and then you need to clear 3 mil less from the original goal to get the other 2 signed.

 

[Mikos87]

If you're trading Buch- you're trading him below market value for two reasons:

1. It's driven by the need to become cap compliant.
2. Even in a bad inconsistent season- he put up legit top 6 numbers.

If the post-Quinn breakthrough Buch is the real deal- that's a 30 goal man in the NHL.

So I've got to think that Buch is a player you hold onto to see what you can develop.

I'm still in the boat where it's a Names trade/buyout & a Smith buyout to get you cap compliant, and you carry 21 for a 1st couple of months of the season.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

MaxPac. I think he and Pacioretty are similar except one is a legitimate 30 goal scorer.

He could have gotten more as a UFA.

I think if Kreider were willing to take a shorter term he would have already been signed.

 

[bl02]

I still cannot believe we can’t get someone to take shattenkirk for 2 years and what 3.5 mil per by retaining? He’s an offensive righty D. That’s insane to me.

Trade namestnikov that is the other one.

You don’t bring back Strome next year certainly not at the expense of a Kreider or Buchnevich this year. There’s a lot of dead weight here that we need to just cut bait on. But moving your talented players like Kreider and Buchnevich makes very little sense to me. Why’d you sign panarin if you aren’t going to try and win games now with talented players around him.

I think there is a better chance of Names going even at full price (or 1 million retained) than Shatty at even 50 %. I think teams realize how much he's slowed down the last year or two.
I would be super shocked if JG got anyone to even think about trading for Staal or Shatty even with retention

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I agree they probably don't, but a couple reasons they might do it for Kreider and not Hayes are that I think they really consider fitness and the commitment to it when deciding to commit long-term to someone, and Kreider's skillset fits a lot better with the somewhat monochromatic skillsets of the key forwards already on board than Hayes'.

I'm as much of a Kreider fan as anyone but his value is never going to be higher. I think we know what he is, and the idea that he will be healthy and continue to play at this rate for 7 years is borderline crazy. He hasnt exactly been the picture of health, played injured when it wasnt necessary for stretches and for guys of his style of play their careers arent normally lengthy. I like him but I'd be guessing there would be 2 mill per and about 3 years between him and Gorton. If he is 5 mill for 4 or 5 years he will be here...i seriously doubt he does that.