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Speculation: Roster Building LX: The Return of Cap(tain) Crunch aka LB Bus Stop Theme

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Alluckks said:
Aside from age, I'd say the next best argument is that we have more impact Forwards ready to go and take Kreider's minutes than we do Defensemen.
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Right now, I agree with that, and we've put ourselves in a situation (for better or worse) where we're going to be "win now" a lot sooner than most anticipated.
 
Machinehead said:
Right now, I agree with that, and we've put ourselves in a situation (for better or worse) where we're going to be "win now" a lot sooner than most anticipated.
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I don't think it is a win now kind of thing. I think it is a cognitive choice for seizing a transition period opportunity. I said it at the start of this thread, but plenty of teams that rebuild fall flat on their face because they fail to transition properly. I know that this is not the perfect opportune timing that some wanted, but our front office made the call for these moves. And we haven't even seen the end result of the dominos now that these 'transition' moves are in place.
 
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That said, as much as I love the whole rebuild and young shiny pieces and whatnot; I'd be more than happy if we got a very good deal for Buch and kept Kreider to a 5 x 7 deal or something; something like 7 x 7 wouldn't have me thrilled about the numbers, but I'd be remiss to say that I wouldn't love keeping Kreider here.
 
I think they are hoping to get one more run in with Hank, honestly. That's why they are moving up the rebuild speed. Of course it goes hand in hand with getting a prospect like Kakko at the draft who they probably feel in 2-3 years will be scoring 80+ points.

Wouldn't surprise me to see Hank stick around after his contract expires, either, as a platoon goalie... under the all but certain assumption that we haven't won a Cup by that point.
 
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I don’t think they’re accelerating the rebuild at all; I think they’re identifying the pieces they need and making the moves to get them, just as they did with Fox. Trouba’s the same age as Zibanejad, for crying out loud. The only questionable decision, IMO, is Panarin — and there, clearly management made the call that A) he’s the only forward of his quality likely to hit UFA in the near term and B) a player of his profile would remain at or near his current level for most, if not all, of the term of his deal. Here’s hoping they’re right.
 
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Machinehead said:
He's really not a great player (he's a good player), it really wasn't a need, and we really couldn't afford it.
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@Machinehead I usually agree with your in season posts but come on. We needed all the help we can get on our d line. He is just entering his prime and with a teaching coach like Quinn he can get even better. Right now he is a solid #2 big heavy hitting scoring defenseman. I know we have a great pipeline but that's not for another few years down the road. And players like Miller are not going to step in and be a top pairing defenseman right away.

I couldn't disagree with you more on this.

And like others have stated above about giving krieder that contract I know will be a massive mistake by his 4th year of that contract.
 
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Brooklyn Rangers Fan said:
I don’t think they’re accelerating the rebuild at all; I think they’re identifying the pieces they need and making the moves to get them, just as they did with Fox. Trouba’s the same age as Zibanejad, for crying out loud. The only questionable decision, IMO, is Panarin — and there, clearly management made the call that A) he’s the only forward of his quality likely to hit UFA in the near term and B) a player of his profile would remain at or near his current level for most, if not all, of the term of his deal. Here’s hoping they’re right.
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Looking at the coming free-agent list and the forwards that come close to Panarin the next couple of seasons.

2020-Backstrom, Hall, and RNH are probably the top forwards available. RNH would be interesting as the #2 center behind Mika potentially, but would rather have Panarin given Hall's injury history and Backstrom's age.

2021-AO and Krejci are probably the top forwards available. Would rather Panarin given his age.
 
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Rangerfan4life90 said:
Looking at the coming free-agent list and the forwards that come close to Panarin the next couple of seasons.

2020-Backstrom, Hall, and RNH are probably the top forwards available. RNH would be interesting as the #2 center behind Mika potentially, but would rather have Panarin given Hall's injury history and Backstrom's age.

2021-AO and Krejci are probably the top forwards available. Would rather Panarin given his age.
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Why are we just assuming no stars stay with their teams (as most of them do)?
 
KirkAlbuquerque said:
Even if we don't compete during Panarin's time with us, if he can help Kakko and Kravtsov (and others) develop in to elite players for us, he's worth the money.
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So much this.

The elevation factor with him is undeniable.

And I'm going to flat out say this dude has never had such potential to work with in his career. It's going to be wild to see how these lines shake out this season ..
 
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TheDirtyH said:
Panarin + Kreider >>> Panarin >>> Kreider

I think that's more representative of what he's talking about.
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Exactly.

I think we're in for a rude awakening seeing this team without Kreider. They were halfway representative the first half of the year and the tank really got into gear when he ran into injury trouble. We're probably looking at something similar this year.

That would be fine if we were still doing the whole "we just started a rebuild" thing. Now this team is expensive. The last thing you want is to be expensive and laughably bad. That's how you end up in a bad transition period.

The team has put itself in a position where the standard of hockey has to start improving. Less Kreider makes our hockey worse. This is well documented.
 
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Machinehead said:
Not unless we're making a run soon, and it's fine if they are.

But again, I'd rather have Kreider if that's the plan.
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Why not? He’s 25. Anyway, I’d argue that this team will be making a legit run within the next two seasons.

And we have plenty of talented wingers. Are we really going to pay our 3rd/4th best winger 7M per through his thirties when we have Panarin, Kakko, and Kravtsov? Especially with the latter two on ELCs until 2022. Trouba’s contract ends at 32, a 6 year contract for Kreider ends at age 36. Which one makes more sense down the line?
 
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McCartney said:
Why not? He’s 25. Anyway, I’d argue that this team will be making a legit run within the next two seasons.

And we have plenty of talented wingers. Are we really going to pay our 3rd/4th best winger 7M per through his thirties when we have Panarin, Kakko, and Kravtsov? Especially with the latter two on ELCs until 2022. Trouba’s contract ends at 32, a 6 year contract for Kreider ends at age 36. Which one makes more sense down the line?
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I suppose that makes sense, but you're asking a lot for young players to drive play like Kreider does.
 
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