Speculation: Roster Building Frenzy Part XX

[jay from jersey]

All seriousness whom has a better point total at the end of the season.

Arz or Seattle

My money is on Seattle.

I’d go with Seattle. More veterans and better goaltending. Both first year coaches.

 

[jay from jersey]

For sure. If Philadelphia is out of the playoff picture at the deadline, I wouldn't be opposed to a trade-and-sign for Couturier, but I have to imagine the within conference cost would be high.

Yup great player, but they’d rake us across the coals for him

 

[I Eat Crow]

Nurse actually got that bag.

Worst contract of the off-season. It even beats Jones' in that regard.

 

[jay from jersey]

Just not sure what's out there that is a guaranteed upgrade over Strome and I am not the biggest Strome fan? We are not the only team in the NHL looking for a good two way center for the 2nd line. I am for one glad right now that Drury hasn't panicked and overpaid for one. He tried to get Danault didn't work. Many on here are not thrilled with Dvorak who is supposedly available but would require something reasonable going back.

I mean, Monahan, but talk about not an upgrade enough from Strome, they both have the same short comings with ability to put up points with good players.
If you look at the guy you want to seriously replace Strome with, Dvo has all the qualities, but soMe don’t believe he would be any better offensively then he is now.
I’m not one of those people. For sure you would get a points increase, but what I think it will be and others seem to differ. I have watched a fair bit of Dvorak, so I’m not just going off a stat line, I know he would make a positive impact.
The amount of type flight/ even second line centers that play a solid 2-way game is not very good. It rarely ever is.
Villardi would be a nice target, but that’s a guarantee of Miller/Lundkvist going the other way.

 

[duhmetreE]

Yes.

With Dvorak's contract, the only reason I'd give up assets to get him would be if NYR plan to run Zibby-Strome-Dvorak down the middle. They can afford all three if Chytil is the major part of the return for Dvorak.

That said, I'd just as soon stay the course with our 3 centers this season. Chytil having Goodrow take faceoffs for him will be a big help.

I'd prefer Zibs-Dvorak-Chytil

 

[bl02]

I mean, Monahan, but talk about not an upgrade enough from Strome, they both have the same short comings with ability to put up points with good players.
If you look at the guy you want to seriously replace Strome with, Dvo has all the qualities, but so don’t believe he would be any better offensively then he is now.
I’m not one of those people. For sure you would get a points increase, but what I think it will be and others seem to differ. I have watched a fair bit of Dvorak, so I’m not just going off a stat line, I know he would make a positive impact.

I’m ok with Dvorak but I am sure so are 5-10 other teams and not sure if jones and a 2nd is gonna cut it and as of now I don’t think we can get a first for Strome. Maybe at the deadline if we are out of the race and the right team is desperate

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Nurse actually got that bag.

Worst contract of the off-season. It even beats Jones' in that regard.

And it's even worse when you look at the buy out scenarios. With signing bonuses that heavy in later years, the cap penalty is 8m a year until 2030 if they buy it out in the final years, so there's no cap relief

 

[jay from jersey]

I’m ok with Dvorak but I am sure so are 5-10 other teams and not sure if jones and a 2nd is gonna cut it and as of now I don’t think we can get a first for Strome. Maybe at the deadline if we are out of the race and the right team is desperate

They have garbage goal tending now. That’s why adding Georgiev would actually help in this situation with his trade value.
They would likely want Jones+ 1St.

counter with Jones+ 2. 2nd rd picks and Georgiev and see if they bite

 

[jay from jersey]

And it's even worse when you look at the buy out scenarios. With signing bonuses that heavy in later years, the cap penalty is 8m a year until 2030 if they buy it out in the final years, so there's no cap relief

That contract is grotesque

 

[bl02]

They have garbage goal tending now. That’s why adding Georgiev would actually help in this situation with his trade value.
They would likely want Jones+ 1St.

counter with Jones+ 2. 2nd rd picks and Georgiev and see if they bite

so you feel Georgiev, Jones and a non first round pick gets the job done for Dvorak? I guess drury would be redeemed for the value he got for Buch

 

[jay from jersey]

so you feel Georgiev, Jones and a non first round pick gets the job done for Dvorak? I guess drury would be redeemed for the value he got for Buch

I mean maybe, who knows. That’s not nothing value. It would give them 9 picks in the first 2 rds next year, a long term top 4 D/PP QB to add to Chychrun and 2 more 2nds to kick off their rebuild.
It’s a Toss up really. If they are really going for Wright, moving DVO helps their chances as well.

they also have multiple picks in 2023, so it looks like they are hoarding.

then deal strome to some team for a 2nd an recoup a pick

 

[duhmetreE]

so you feel Georgiev, Jones and a non first round pick gets the job done for Dvorak? I guess drury would be redeemed for the value he got for Buch

It depends on how they value/view Jones.

We can overwhelm them with mediocrity... Reunanen, Gauther, Panjuniemi etc. but Jones and a 1st is absolute max I would pay. That's steered to AZ favor because they dont have to move Dvorak and he has great term.

Jones, Georgiev and 2nds is obviously preferred.

 

[IDvsEGO]

It depends on how they value/view Jones.

We can overwhelm them with mediocrity... Reunanen, Gauther, Panjuniemi etc. but Jones and a 1st is absolute max I would pay. That's steered to AZ favor because they dont have to move Dvorak and he has great term.

Jones, Georgiev and 2nds is obviously preferred.

Jones and a first, but I’d lotto protect it.

 

[duhmetreE]

Jones and a first, but I’d lotto protect it.

That's a given, but I fully expect to be a playoff team.... barring something catastrophic

 

[bl02]

It depends on how they value/view Jones.

We can overwhelm them with mediocrity... Reunanen, Gauther, Panjuniemi etc. but Jones and a 1st is absolute max I would pay. That's steered to AZ favor because they dont have to move Dvorak and he has great term.

Jones, Georgiev and 2nds is obviously preferred.

Yep I have no idea how other organizations rate Jones especially arizona. Any other team vying for his services can offer up a prospect and a 2nd. maybe even overpay with a first. I rather not be in the business of trading a first rounder for the next year or two.

 

[duhmetreE]

In theory...

Lafreniere Zibs Kakko
Kreider Chytil Goodrow
Panarin Dvorak Kravtsov
Blais/Barron/Rooney/Reaves/Hunt

That top9 is locked up for the foreseeable future.
All kids are signed/bridged.

Defense looks locked in.

Lindgren Fox
KAM Trouba
Nemeth Lundkvist
Robertson Schenider

That's a stacked lineup for 4 or so years. What am I missing?

 

[Bruner4329]

if Chytil was on another team, we'd want to trade for him and try him as our 2c.

Says who? People on this board over rate own players but playing along with this assumption what would you be willing to trade for him? I am really curious because posters aren't willing to trade much for Eichel but what would they trade if we wanted to acquire Chytil.

 

[NYRFANMANI]

In theory...

/snip

That's a stacked lineup for 4 or so years. What's am I missing?

Not much. Maybe hedging Chytil too much.

Lotta things need to go right, but if they do, that roster should do some serious damage.

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I want to point out that our farm will be quite depleted once this current generation graduates.

Want to keep as many picks as possible...

 

[JimmyG89]

I have a hard time believing that the "change" the Rangers were looking to make was just adding Reaves, Goodrow, Blais, and Nemeth.

Whether the move is Eichel, Dvorak, or someone else, it's a hard sell to say that and pretty much roll the same team in the top 6 up front and top 4 on defense.

Not to mention having 14 million in cap space currently. Drury isn't going to let that burn a hole in his pocket. There is no reason to. Of course there a big deals that will need to be signed next summer, but as we have seen with every contending team, you figure the cap out later.

We have a ton of assets and top end players. Waiting out an Eichel trade could be smart, but we're at a point where he's beginning to miss a substantial amount of time if he doesn't get the surgery now.

The Rangers don't need to move, but if the Sabres are just going to continue to slow roll this move, you walk away completely and make another move. Let Adams shit his pants and not make a deal.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

any chance we give Chytil an opportunity to be our 2c? I think people here raise a good point - if Chytil was on another team, we'd want to trade for him and try him as our 2c.

Also, any Eichel trade involving both Chytil and Kravtsov is horrible for us. I'd only consider that if we were trading for "pre-injury Eichel", where we don't have to take on any additional dice rolls with his health. Kravtsov is a helluva wild card for us and Chytil may be a good 2c in the end.

I like Chytil as a prospect, i don't see his style meshing with Panarin, maybe Panarin moves with Zib but if were just replacing Strome i dont see it. Chytil is north south, take it to the net on your own type, its not what works well with Panarin. There's a reason Strome has been on Panarin's line since Zib got hurt.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Id personally love to just start the year with what we have. I think we're a better team than last year by a quite a bit.

 

[rangers1314]

Id personally love to just start the year with what we have. I think we're a better team than last year by a quite a bit.

Really? I think we’re worse. The HC upgrade is significant, but our roster is less talented.

We gave away our top line RW and have added a few bottom 6 guys.

 

[Taluss]

Really? I think we’re worse. The HC upgrade is significant, but our roster is less talented.

We gave away our top line RW and have added a few bottom 6 guys.

I do appreciate adding the grit tbh. It was an area where the team lacked and needed. Will help to be tougher to play against. I think they will place around the same position as is or better. Im expecting more from Laf and Kakko thi sseason & assuming Zibby & Panarin will play the full season. Wont be surprised if there's another move though.

 

[duhmetreE]

Not much. Maybe hedging Chytil too much.

Lotta things need to go right, but if they do, that roster should do some serious damage.

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I want to point out that our farm will be quite depleted once this current generation graduates.

Want to keep as many picks as possible...

There's more option after Chytil. Maybe he's meant for wing? Slot Goodrow there for now. Maybe give Barron a shot. The Mythical Kravtsov move to center. etc.

Farm will be a little bare but literally nearly all of the kids just graduated. There's no room for anyone else for the foreseeable future. That was somewhat the point of my post.

Still need to draft and be ready to rotate some players in when there's another cap crunch.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

Really? I think we’re worse. The HC upgrade is significant, but our roster is less talented.

We gave away our top line RW and have added a few bottom 6 guys.

The overall roster is better. Blais, Goodrow, Nemeth, Reaves. A full year of Kravs, possible Barron, addition of lundkvist, and a real NHL coach will all make this team better.