Speculation: Roster Building Frenzy Part XX

[Shesterkybomb]

Possible, but unlikely. Panarin really hasn’t had a problem playing with any center in his career for long periods of time.

happy bday kupo

He's had problems playing with anyone not named Fast or Blackwell on this team.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Thinking out loud:

If DVO cost is---Jones, Geo and a first ( better a second ) and Strome we flip for a late first or 2 number 2's then the trade should be worth it.

DVO under contract ( good contract ) 4 more years--Strome FA after this year. Most agree that he is not being resigned so unless we are not going to trade him at some point this year Strome will not be on the team next year.

We can all argue DVO vs Strome and most do not want Eichel whom will cost even more but at the price of Jones and Geo is it not worth it ?

Worst case we flip DVO for or about the same package.

The Arz team is land of the zombies ( Shane Doan where are you ) love the jersey's but for some very odd reason most players that go or are drafted their do not develop the way they should. Maybe big maybe DVO will be the same and once he leaves will become a better player. We not asking him to be " the man " Zibby is the top center so I really do not see a huge risk in making a deal for him.

Last I do agree no more then Jones, Geo 1st ( better 2nds ) otherwise bye bye. No Nils, Schneider, Miller not happening.

Peace out brothers and sisters in arms gotta get back to work.

Or how about we try and sign the guy we know works with Panarin and without to a reasonable contract before we trade assets for a guy who may or may or may not work as well. I swear if Strome played with someone else we'd be unloading multiple assets for him, if he can be retained at 5 or 5.5 we know what we have, a guy who will get 60-70 points on the 2nd line and wants to be here, wants to make a difference and plays for the jersey. Im hopeful we dont make any more moves, keep our assets, keep Zib, keep strome, chytil and Kravtsov. ..lets go!

 

[jay from jersey]

He's had problems playing with anyone not named Fast or Blackwell on this team.

Neither were his C. Not PLD, or whoever he was paired with when he was on Kane’s line in Chicago, think it was anisimov

 

[Fitzy]

He's had problems playing with anyone not named Fast or Blackwell on this team.

With someone as good as Panarin, I think you let him have his preferred linemates.

There are other good spots.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Neither were his C. Not PLD, or whoever he was paired with when he was on Kane’s line in Chicago, think it was anisimov

The point is he doesn't gel with everyon c or rw would not make a difference. Imo the reason Chytil hasn't passed Strome so far is that he doesn't play a complimentary game on Panarins line and Panarin wants to play with Strome, why break that up if you can manage it cap wise.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

With someone as good as Panarin, I think you let him have his preferred linemates.

There are other good spots.

Which is why i say keep strome if the cap works. Panarin came here to play with Zib, he got hurt and started playing with Strome, he hasn't left that spot since. We could get Dvorak only to find out he isnt a good fit with Panarin, why change what works? We can use the assets we were gonna trade for Eichel and Dvorak to add something we really need in a year or two.

 

[Fitzy]

Which is why i say keep strome if the cap works. Panarin came here to play with Zib, he got hurt and started playing with Strome, he hasn't left that spot since. We could get Dvorak only to find out he isnt a good fit with Panarin, why change what works?

Yes.

With Dvorak's contract, the only reason I'd give up assets to get him would be if NYR plan to run Zibby-Strome-Dvorak down the middle. They can afford all three if Chytil is the major part of the return for Dvorak.

That said, I'd just as soon stay the course with our 3 centers this season. Chytil having Goodrow take faceoffs for him will be a big help.

 

[howztheglass]

Or how about we try and sign the guy we know works with Panarin and without to a reasonable contract before we trade assets for a guy who may or may or may not work as well. I swear if Strome played with someone else we'd be unloading multiple assets for him, if he can be retained at 5 or 5.5 we know what we have, a guy who will get 60-70 points on the 2nd line and wants to be here, wants to make a difference and plays for the jersey. Im hopeful we dont make any more moves, keep our assets, keep Zib, keep strome, chytil and Kravtsov. ..lets go!

I did mention keeping Strome for the season. Strome has played well with Breadman--I just see him pricing himself out and off of the team.

Strome is somewhat of the whipping boy to pick on around here as you know.

Funny how the 4 players you listed at the end of your post doesn't include Jones or Geo ( just kiddy--but if that was the players traded
plus a draft pick would it not be worth the " expendable players ".

Jones is most likely going to be the 7 Dman and Geo will play somewhere around 20-25 games spare parts maybe but I would rather take a chance on DVO then Eichel and if Chytil improves then even better. Hell you don't have to flip Strome he can play wing but if he is flipped he would bring back part or at least some of what we traded for DVO.

Again each poster has their option--mine is I don't want to trade a huge package for Eichel ( Nils,Kravs,Chytil plus many other mentioned ) while he could get the surgery and play awesome I don't want to take that chance--been down that road a few times--Bure, Lindros ETC.

Krebs is not happening--the kids from LA were trading more then a Jones type of player.

DVO could be someone to take a chance on if it's for only the package listed. But I get that some don't want to trade assets for the chance a player may improve.

 

[frozenrubber]

Jones, Georgiev and our 2nds can work possibly.

That offer is the Ryder, Halak, and 2nd of our time.

 

[jay from jersey]

Which is why i say keep strome if the cap works. Panarin came here to play with Zib, he got hurt and started playing with Strome, he hasn't left that spot since. We could get Dvorak only to find out he isnt a good fit with Panarin, why change what works? We can use the assets we were gonna trade for Eichel and Dvorak to add something we really need in a year or two.

It’s an option. But I think Stromes days here are numbered. They were almost ready to walk from him when he was awarded the raise. I can’t see them wanting to pay more on top of that for a longer term going into his 30s. Strome has definitely played well here, no question he’s resurrected his career, but IMO the rangers are either waiting for chytil to step up or wanted a more well rounded better center ice man for the long haul.
Dvo remains the optimal target in my eyes cause he checks so many boxes and there is still room for improvement in other areas of his game. Larkin would be ideal, but the cost to get him would be substantially more and he’s going to want a big raise in 2 years instead of 4. With DVo and chytil signed it gives us multiple options in case the Zibby negotiations go south as well. And it insulates is further if Chytil takes a major step in his development. All in all it just makes us a tougher team to play against

 

[NYRKING30]

I was going to disagree, but it appears Dave Shapiro deleted the tweet where he complained that there were no shirts that were large in the chest but medium in the waist, so I have little support of my stance.

He’s a runner up for me. I saw a tweet earlier today he was comparing Chytil to Barkov..

 

[howztheglass]

That offer is our Ryder, Halak, and 2nd of our time.

Agreed. Arz will shoot for the moon. Probably start at something like Nils. Kravs and a pick but in the end will settle on a much small package as long as their getting additional draft pick to try and prove to their fans that they are trying.

 

[duhmetreE]

That offer is our Ryder, Halak, and 2nd of our time.

besides Jones being a great prospect, yeah.

 

[Bruner4329]

So now a lot here are saying to keep Strome because he works well with Panarin while dismissing all the shortcomings he has at the center position. Unbelievable. If Strome is our number 2 center again this year we will not be any better than last season since we will not have addressed any of the deficiencies we have in the middle. We can't have 2 top centers that live with the cross ice path and really want no part in going to get the puck in deep. I mean last year was not an aberration. Seriously folks.

 

[pld459666]

If a 1st has to be traded, remove Jones from the equation.

Both together is an overpayment

 

[bl02]

So now a lot here are saying to keep Strome because he works well with Panarin while dismissing all the shortcomings he has at the center position. Unbelievable. If Strome is our number 2 center again this year we will not be any better than last season since we will not have addressed any of the deficiencies we have in the middle. We can't have 2 top centers that live with the cross ice path and really want no part in going to get the puck in deep. I mean last year was not an aberration. Seriously folks.

Just not sure what's out there that is a guaranteed upgrade over Strome and I am not the biggest Strome fan? We are not the only team in the NHL looking for a good two way center for the 2nd line. I am for one glad right now that Drury hasn't panicked and overpaid for one. He tried to get Danault didn't work. Many on here are not thrilled with Dvorak who is supposedly available but would require something reasonable going back.

 

[bl02]

Yes.

With Dvorak's contract, the only reason I'd give up assets to get him would be if NYR plan to run Zibby-Strome-Dvorak down the middle. They can afford all three if Chytil is the major part of the return for Dvorak.

That said, I'd just as soon stay the course with our 3 centers this season. Chytil having Goodrow take faceoffs for him will be a big help.

Agree I think it's worth being patient another year and seeing how this can work but it seems like the shiny new big center is the thing a few want.

 

[Hockey Gamer]

any chance we give Chytil an opportunity to be our 2c? I think people here raise a good point - if Chytil was on another team, we'd want to trade for him and try him as our 2c.

Also, any Eichel trade involving both Chytil and Kravtsov is horrible for us. I'd only consider that if we were trading for "pre-injury Eichel", where we don't have to take on any additional dice rolls with his health. Kravtsov is a helluva wild card for us and Chytil may be a good 2c in the end.

 

[Fitzy]

Agree I think it's worth being patient another year and seeing how this can work but it seems like the shiny new big center is the thing a few want.

For sure. If Philadelphia is out of the playoff picture at the deadline, I wouldn't be opposed to a trade-and-sign for Couturier, but I have to imagine the within conference cost would be high.

 

[bl02]

For sure. If Philadelphia is out of the playoff picture at the deadline, I wouldn't be opposed to a trade-and-sign for Couturier, but I have to imagine the within conference cost would be high.

Yeah doubt the Flyers would do that unless we really overpay.

 

[Kocur Dill]

The Sabres have finished bottom 5 in the league in 5/6 seasons the Eichel has been with them. They have surrounded him with nobody to play with. After 6 years and a career average at almost a point per game, yeah I’d be pissed off at the front office and want to move on from Buffalo too. Pretty tough to stay optimistic and have a positive attitude when you are losing all the time. If anything I’m glad Eichel has a pulse. Was Buffalo expecting him to be a Shane Doan and just stick out his entire losing career in one spot?

We had a guy named Carmelo Anthony once too. Very similar story. Knicks seem to finally be headed in the right direction without him.

 

[howztheglass]

That would be great. Obviously best case scenario. The Yotes have 7 picks in the first 2 rounds. I’m sure they’d love to make it 9 and add a prospect of jones caliber. Georgiev gives them a proven option with Hutton as well.
I’m sure they would ask for our 1st, but maybe settle on both 2nds.
They are also adding picks for 2023. The tank is on in the desert. I’d be surprised to see them get 65 pts with their roster and goal tending.

odds are when they look to challenge for a playoff spot Dvorak will most likely be gone, as it will likely be the end of his deal

All seriousness whom has a better point total at the end of the season.

Arz or Seattle

My money is on Seattle.

 

[Taluss]

All seriousness whom has a better point total at the end of the season.

Arz or Seattle

My money is on Seattle.

Seattle and not really close imo

 

[thethirdhockeyman91]

I love Bozak as our 4c instead of Rooney if he’ll take a cheap 1 year deal.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Couturier is definitely a guy I would give up a lot for.