Speculation: Roster Building Frenzy Part XX

[haohmaru]

The scenario you just mentioned means we're winning. We'd have a stacked lineup. IF Chytil takes off, we have 3 good centers, phenomenal wingers, great depth, solid defense and potentially great goaltending.... and that lineup would be kept together for quite some time.

You're going to argue a 1st rounder, that's unlikely to make a difference on this team in the near future, is going to hold it up? In hopes that 1st rounder can be as good as Dvorak.

We clearly disagree on what Dvorak is and isn't. In my world, he's not worth a top prospect, a 1st round pick, and might (probably) never be more than he already is - a 30ish point 3C with a decent two way game. And, yes, I'd have to think long and hard about giving up a 1st in THIS draft.

 

[duhmetreE]

We clearly disagree on what Dvorak is and isn't. In my world, he's not worth a top prospect, a 1st round pick, and might (probably) never be more than he already is - a 30ish point 3C with a decent two way game. And, yes, I'd have to think long and hard about giving up a 1st in THIS draft.

Whatever fits your narrative. You're not being consistent with your logic.

Chytil is a stud 2C, you just have to pro-rate production with more ice-time.

Dvorak is not a 40pts Centers, he never did it.

 

[Barnaby]

Sounds like it could be a legal clash. ...who has the right to decide medical treatment? Management or the player??

I would think the player. “My body my choice...” but who knows what’s written into these contracts. If the situation was reversed and they wanted Eichel to have spinal surgery and he wanted to try rehab then you’d think they couldn’t force him.

 

[Fitzy]

I would think the player. “My body my choice...” but who knows what’s written into these contracts. If the situation was reversed and they wanted Eichel to have spinal surgery and he wanted to try rehab then you’d think they couldn’t force him.

My body my choice is a purely political slogan, not a legal one.

If it was I’d be allowed to legally sell my extra kidney and smoke crack until the cows come home. Not necessarily in that order

 

[Barnaby]

Dvorak is a solid piece, but is he really the guy we want to overpay in futures for? AZ will want top dollar for their only center and rightfully so. I’m not looking to pay that for a guy who may not be much of an upgrade.

 

[haohmaru]

Whatever fits your narrative. You're not being consistent with your logic.

Chytil is a stud 2C, you just have to pro-rate production with more ice-time.

Dvorak is not a 40pts Centers, he never did it.

Who said Chytil is a stud 2C? Not me and I didn't pro-rate anything. I hope he develops into that - he's 21, not 25.

And that second part is right, so what?

 

[Dr. Ogrodnick]

My body my choice is a purely political slogan, not a legal one.

If it was I’d be allowed to legally sell my extra kidney and smoke crack until the cows come home. Not necessarily in that order

Wait, those things aren't legal? Anybody know how to put a kidney back in? The ebay offers were crap anyway.....

 

[NoQuitInNewMexico]

I think the CBA says the team doctor has the say on these decisions, and right now Eichel is a Buffalo Sabre and the team doctor only wants him to get the fusion. So I don't know...good luck, Kevyn, sounds miserable.

 

[Barnaby]

My body my choice is a purely political slogan, not a legal one.

If it was I’d be allowed to legally sell my extra kidney and smoke crack until the cows come home. Not necessarily in that order

I know... was being sarcastic.

Although I’d think a team couldn’t force a medical procedure on a player. I don’t know what the contract ramifications would be though.

 

[duhmetreE]

Who said Chytil is a stud 2C? Not me and I didn't pro-rate anything. I hope he develops into that - he's 21, not 25.

And that second part is right, so what?

You're projecting best case scenario with one player and looking at the worst case scenario for the other. There's no objectivity. Going into his age 22 season Chytil has never outscored Goodrows career best. Dvorak actually outproduced Chytil at same points in their career...

If you dont want to give up a 1st, great. We can continue to draft and develop, there's still only so many spots available but we can hoard them. The trade off is worth it as our window is open starting this season.

 

[Bruner4329]

You're projecting best case scenario with one player and looking at the worst case scenario for the other. There's no objectivity. Going into his age 22 season Chytil has never outscored Goodrows career best. Dvorak actually outproduced Chytil at same points in their career...

If you dont want to give up a 1st, great. We can continue to draft and develop, there's still only so many spots available but we can hoard them. The trade off is worth it as our window is open starting this season.

Anyone who tries to pro rate performance better watch out. We see it too often in many sports. The role player excels in that particular role but when given more playing time the warts start to show up. I also think we have a habit of over rating the players on our roster quite often. I have seen some posts that call Chytil a stud 2 center. That is way over board for a nice player who many feel is better suited for the wing. I guess we will find out.

 

[CLW]

I’m not a huge Strome fan. I am in the camp that expects Chytil to be this team’s 2C when/if they win, and with a more well rounded C essentially splitting middle 6 time with him.

That said, I’m not convinced Dvorak is that guy. He’s only decent on the draw, and he has more giveaways than takeaways over the past couple of years. He’s closer to neutral in that respect than Strome, but he plays a far more conservative game.

I am officially hopeful for what Strome can do under Gallant. The guy was openly rebelling against Quinn last year. That’s problematic in and of itself, but I would like to see if Strome can become a more complete player under a coach that commands some respect and employs a system that is, I dunno, a system.

Strome will be yeeted faster than you can say Butsnevits, if he doesn't play a solid two way game under Gallant.

When I think of Strome I still see those late season Buffalo games where the Rangers kept leaving the high slot open for Buffalo to take pot shots, but it was Buffalo so nothing dramatic happened. Then we played the Isles and they feasted on those gaps in the slot, they promptly scored and it was game(s) over.

 

[RGY]

I cannot stand that blog. Those guys need lives lol

 

[Cmox]

I think we are at a point where we're hoping a team trades for Strome by just looking at his numbers, draft position and not thinking about Panarin or watching him play often. Though he improved last season he's a pretty under whelming player who makes dumb decisions more than I like to see. I really don't think we can get much for him barring some sorta add.

 

[Cmox]

Updating site or mistake ( It seems to be in alphabetical order ) > TRADE ALERT! BREAKING NEWS TWITTER FOLLOWERS!!

 

[Blais to Win]

I think we are at a point where we're hoping a team trades for Strome by just looking at his numbers, draft position and not thinking about Panarin or watching him play often. Though he improved last season he's a pretty under whelming player who makes dumb decisions more than I like to see. I really don't think we can get much for him barring some sorta add.

Strome was 1.0 ppg while Panarin was out dealing with his issue last year.

 

[Leetch3]

Sounds like it could be a legal clash. ...who has the right to decide medical treatment? Management or the player??

its not really a legal clash. the cba says the team has to approve any surgery. which is the whole hold up, the sabres aren't approving the surgery that eichel wants to get.

 

[Synergy27]

Anyone who tries to pro rate performance better watch out. We see it too often in many sports. The role player excels in that particular role but when given more playing time the warts start to show up. I also think we have a habit of over rating the players on our roster quite often. I have seen some posts that call Chytil a stud 2 center. That is way over board for a nice player who many feel is better suited for the wing. I guess we will find out.

He’s 21 f***ing years old. He was the best player on the ice before getting hurt last year. Every piece of information about him suggests that he is a much, much better player than his bottom line stats (which are already quite good) suggest.

 

[Cmox]

Strome was 1.0 ppg while Panarin was out dealing with his issue last year.

I'm aware. I said he improved. And did step up during that but he's not one of those players who I see as game on the line types that gets the team a return everyone is happy with ,couple that with the contract. We're going to be disappointed thinking that way. The buch return pissed a lot of people off and we loved him. We should just hope for the best.

 

[haohmaru]

You're projecting best case scenario with one player and looking at the worst case scenario for the other. There's no objectivity. Going into his age 22 season Chytil has never outscored Goodrows career best. Dvorak actually outproduced Chytil at same points in their career...

If you dont want to give up a 1st, great. We can continue to draft and develop, there's still only so many spots available but we can hoard them. The trade off is worth it as our window is open starting this season.

No, you're making an argument that I haven't made at all. I'd rather take my chances that the 21 year old will continue to progress (as he showed early last season) than trade serious goods (1st + "top" prospect) for a 25 year old that might be all that he'll ever be. The first costs nothing but cap friendly money. The other costs assets. I don't think the Rangers are Cup contenders this year, so let's see what we have in Chytil as a 2nd line center, with more than 13 minutes of ice time and on the PP instead of shipping out futures for a 3rd line guy.

As for the Dvorak comparison age-wise, there's no context - ice time, linemates, PP time, etc... If you really thing Dvorak's offensive upside is higher than Chytil's then we'll agree to disagree even further than we already do.

Dvorak makes sense if you're a team at the deadline bolstering the 3rd line for an anticipated deep playoff run. He doesn't make sense for this team at this point in time.

 

[haohmaru]

I cannot stand that blog. Those guys need lives lol

They're digging deep, I'll give them that.

 

[Thirty One]

Can anyone interpret what he might mean here? Chytil is waiver exempt, Barron is not. Zac Jones is still listed on the roster for heck's sake.

 

[NYR Viper]

Dvorak has projected for a 45 point pace over 82 games for the past two years. That’s each season. I’m completely fine understanding that the teams 2/3C’s for the foreseeable future will be Dvorak/Chytil or Chytil/Dvorak. This is of course dependent on the cost to acquire him but if we’re really talking:

Georgiev + Jones + 2nd ‘22
(Which honestly isn’t THAT far off of what Reinhardt just got from Florida)

Then I’m interested. If they are firm in asking for:

Lundkvist + 1st

Then pass. It’s all dependent on the cost to acquire. He’s a good, young, cost controlled center that has strengths that would fit the team REALLY well.

Something else that would be a benefit is the teams center position, assuming Zibanejad is re-signed, would have a nice age distribution to it. Zibanejad (29), Dvorak (25), Chytil (21). It would also come in at a good budget for the next ~4 years with Zibanejad (assumed $8.5m), Dvorak ($4.45), Chytil ($2.5 for two years than assumed $4m after that)

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

Forever Blueshirts continuing to spread tin foil #FakeNews like usual.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

Honestly if we are going to move away from Strome anyway and knowing that I certainly don’t want to trade the farm for the risk that is Eichel, I’d definitely be interested in a cost controlled 25yr old Dvorak, even if he is arguably not as “good” as Strome.

Let Chytil and him battle it out for Panarins pivot. The idea is growing on me, especially since I think trading for Eichel is a disaster waiting to happen