Speculation: Roster Building Frenzy Part XX

[jay from jersey]

I keep seeing Dvorak's name. Is this just fan speculation/fantasy or a possible move? What would it take to get him and why would AZ trade hiim?

There has been talk of his availability. The Yotes are going into full tank mode in the next 2 drafts. They have only Carter Hutton in net right now.
Odds are 1st, Jones, Georgiev can get it done. They want prospects and draft picks.

Duhmetere proposed 2 2nds Jones and Georgiev.
That would be ideal. We keep our 1st and likely recoup a 2nd back by dealing strome

 

[bigdog16]

Dvorak is not that special of a player. Head to head right now, contracts and age aside, I take Strome over him. If you are expecting Dvo to come in and be an instant upgrade over Strome you will be very disappointed

 

[bleedblue94]

Seems mutually exclusive, unless you want to trade just picks.

Ok, if we get Dvorak for a 1st and trade Strome for a 1st, we good.

We aren't getting a 1st in these next two drafts for strome.

 

[duhmetreE]

The 'fairest comparison' I see, is when Strome was traded here, he played with 3rd liners on a bad team. Last year, Dvorak played with 3rd liners on a bad team. Similar age and scenarios.

Better Skater? Dvorak
Better hands? Dvorak
Better playmaker? Strome
Better 2way player? Dvorak
Better contract? Dvorak

Strome is an upcoming UFA. We cannot commit to him long term.

I see William Karlsson type of potential/scenario with Dvorak.. In the grand scheme of things, we'd be giving up peanuts for him. Strome could be used to recoup the pick(s) lost.

 

[Blais to Win]

That's what this year is, though. His time to develop. With Strome on his way out at latest end of next season (quite possibly) Chytil should get a chance to grow into that 2C slot. Chytil is younger, cheaper and has more potential than Dvorak.

 

[pld459666]

Yeah, the point is I fully believe Dvorak would project into that position.

He'd be a 50-60pts player on the Rangers and yet do the things that Strome doesn't.

In my mind Strome isn't even an option... Are we truly going to pay him $6Mish long term?

I think this is where we are not on the same page.

It hardly EVER works out that way.

I prefer the Devil I know, over the Dvo I don't.

 

[jay from jersey]

He does things Strome doesn't.

He's a better skater, 2 way player and I think he has untapped goal potential. Overall, he would be better for fit for this team. and his cap hit would be much better than Strome's.

He’s also younger and signed to a good deal for 4 more seasons.
I loved how everyone says he it’s what he is. But when strome got here, his offense went to the next level with panarin. I’m not saying DVorak matches his numbers exactly, but you will see an increase. If chytil intimately takes steps over him as the 2C, he becomes an excellent 3C. It’s a no lose situation

 

[duhmetreE]

That's what this year is, though. His time to develop. With Strome on his way out at latest end of next season (quite possibly) Chytil should get a chance to grow into that 2C slot. Chytil is younger, cheaper and has more potential than Dvorak.

That's the beauty in it. In the event Chytil takes off, then Dvorak can slot in at the 3C. A capable 2way center. We need 3 good centers. If Chytil struggles? there's no answer long term.

 

[duhmetreE]

I think this is where we are not on the same page.

It hardly EVER works out that way.

I prefer the Devil I know, over the Dvo I don't.

you don't think he'd put up 50-60 pts playing with Panarin?

 

[jay from jersey]

The 'fairest comparison' I see, is when Strome was traded here, he played with 3rd liners on a bad team. Last year, Dvorak played with 3rd liners on a bad team. Similar age and scenarios.

Don’t forget Age
Better Skater? Dvorak
Better hands? Dvorak
Better playmaker? Strome
Better 2way player? Dvorak
Better contract? Dvorak

Strome is an upcoming UFA. We cannot commit to him long term.

I see William Karlsson type of potential/scenario with Dvorak.. In the grand scheme of things, we'd be giving up peanuts for him. Strome could be used to recoup the pick(s) lost.

 

[jay from jersey]

That's the beauty in it. In the event Chytil takes off, then Dvorak can slot in at the 3C. A capable 2way center. We need 3 good centers. If Chytil struggles? there's no answer long term.

Exactly. Best case scenario, DVo comes out of camp having chemistry with panarin and looking like a solid 2C upgrade from strome that’s younger and signed.
Worst case, chytil takes steps fwd overtaking the 2C position and Dvo drops to 3C and NYR recreate a Tampa 3rd line with Kreider-Dvo-Goodrow. Dvo playing the Gourde role.

and that’s really not worst case to have either.

 

[Fitzy]

See the thing with 'recouping' assets for Strome is that I don't think he even nets you any more than a 2nd round pick in return.

If the league really is that hesitant about Ryan, he should, in principle, be cheap to re-sign.

5x5 with only a limited NTC means you can rid yourself of him cheaply if he ever becomes surplus to requirements.

 

[duhmetreE]

See the thing with 'recouping' assets for Strome is that I don't think he even nets you any more than a 2nd round pick in return.

If the league really is that hesitant about Ryan, he should, in principle, be cheap to re-sign.

5x5 with only a limited NTC means you can rid yourself of him cheaply if he ever becomes surplus to requirements.

I think we could get a 1st from a team like Minnesota. 2nd(s) from teams like Ottawa and Seattle.

The cost is not that bad. I'm not a proponent to trade 1sts for rentals... but in this scenario our entire roster, for all intents and purposes, is solidified for the next 5+ years. Minor tweaking here and there but does a mid-late round 2022 1st rounder make an impact to this team anytime soon? Our top9 is all but locked down. We have too many players as is. We have even more players in the farm developing.

 

[jay from jersey]

See the thing with 'recouping' assets for Strome is that I don't think he even nets you any more than a 2nd round pick in return.

If the league really is that hesitant about Ryan, he should, in principle, be cheap to re-sign.

5x5 with only a limited NTC means you can rid yourself of him cheaply if he ever becomes surplus to requirements.

That’s exactly what I’m expecting him to return. A. Center about to be UFA looking for a raise like strome, with all the question marks he has, taking his age into consideration likely nets a 2nd. Tops

 

[jay from jersey]

I think we could get a 1st from a team like Minnesota. 2nd(s) from teams like Ottawa and Seattle.

Yea, I’m not with ya on this one. Strome brings back a 2nd at most being a UFA and wanting a bigger raise. Many teams feel he’s still mostly a bi-product of panarin.
Not in these next 2 1st rounds especially. And with the stagnant cap

 

[NYRFANMANI]

We aren't getting a 1st in these next two drafts for strome.

I'm not so sure. Trade deadline, a late 1st, I think it's possible. I sure would want a higher pick though.

Anyhow, if we trade Strome, I suppose it's because we shat the bed next season and wont make the POs.

It's either Strome (or the mysterious 2C we get for Strome) and the POs.

or

No POs and Strome dealt at the deadline, to a contender.

 

[duhmetreE]

Yea, I’m not with ya on this one. Strome brings back a 2nd at most being a UFA and wanting a bigger raise. Many teams feel he’s still mostly a bi-product of panarin.
Not in these next 2 1st rounds especially. And with the stagnant cap

Any team giving up a 1st would be signing him. I could see Minnesota or Vegas paying the price.

Teams like Ottawa and Seattle, obviously not but their 2nds are essentially a late 1st.

 

[duhmetreE]

Jones, Georgiev and our 2nds can work possibly.

 

[JCProdigy]

Except they won't dispense pez because there won't be a neck.

The pez that comes out is plastic with screws in it

 

[Barnaby]

So what? Maybe as a pro jock he was smart enough not to offer anything on a subject that was out of his league.

I mean seriously. Who is looking to Jack Eichel for his opinion on nationwide race relations.

 

[haohmaru]

He does things Strome doesn't.

He's a better skater, 2 way player and I think he has untapped goal potential. Overall, he would be better for fit for this team. and his cap hit would be much better than Strome's.

Meh, he's underwhelming at the cost - which is prohibitive. I don't see it being a net plus to the Rangers to swap out Strome, swap in Dvorak, lose assets and lose proven chemistry with Panarin. I'll pass. He's a 3C at this point. I don't love Strome, but I don't want him gone as much as others do.

 

[duhmetreE]

There's tremendous upside in trading for Dvorak, limited to no downside.

AT ABSOLUTE WORST he's a 40pts 2way middle6 center.... the horror.

AT BEST, he takes off around age 25, given a new scenario, similar to Zibanejad, Strome and Karlsson... IMO Leaning heavily in this outcome.

The cost of acquisition will not effect us moving forward. Unlike a potential Eichel deal.

 

[Barnaby]

This has to be a mandate from dolan to win the cup this year. Why else would management sit there waiting for Buffalo to cave regarding someone with a serious spine injury and huge attitude problems?

“Huge attitude problems...?”

This has grown from some minor flaws such as not being a true leader and has totally morphed into him being a complete malcontent.

 

[duhmetreE]

Meh, he's underwhelming at the cost - which is prohibitive. I don't see it being a net plus to the Rangers to swap out Strome, swap in Dvorak, lose assets and lose proven chemistry with Panarin. I'll pass. He's a 3C at this point. I don't love Strome, but I don't want him gone as much as others do.

You think we're re-signing Strome long term?

 

[Barnaby]

Jones, Georgiev and our 2nds can work possibly.

You aren’t getting Dvorak without dropping a 1st...