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Speculation: Roster Building Frenzy Part XX

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MarkMessyay11 said:
Value is probably right. I'm passing though.

Thinking back to Brooks' tweet from last week about the Rangers org continuing to make the same mistakes over and over again...this move would actually fit that rhetoric.
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I don't think that's fair value. That's not even fair value if Eichel is 100%. 5 pieces for a top 15 center? Not even a top 10 most years of his career? No. A first round pick, sure. Zac Jones, ok. Georgiev, ok. But only one other piece. Another first? Another prospect not in the Rangers top 5, yes. But not more. No way. If he was totally healthy and had a managable cap hit and actually had some playoff experience, then the premium makes more sense, THEN you consider someone in the kravtsov, robertson, chytil range. But Kakko? No way. Not a #2 overall 20 year old + 3 or 4 other assets for Jack Eichel. That's way over the top. I would pass every time on that. if eichel was healthy and didn't have a potentially career altering injury then you might consdier Kakko + 1st round pick and maybe one other pick for Eichel. But Jack's not healthy and has a 10m cap hit. It doesn't make sense to touch any prospect you veiw as a future core piece in that scenario. Any team would be crazy to trade away a core piece for a player that may never be a core piece and hinder you from paying your other core pieces. That's too risky.
 
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Tob said:
Fally accepting our Cup chances are over once Lafreniere is off his ELC.
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This essentially happened to TO once they had to pay Marner, Matthews and Nylander.

Crazy to say but the best chance they had at a Cup was during their rookie years, unfortunately JVR, Komarov and Bozak were heading to UFA fast and they of course had to let them walk.

That 2016-17 Leafs team was stacked and very tough to play against, and this was before Marner got infected with the "John Tavares syndrome" aka figuring out that sweet spot where you can put up the most amount of points while simultaneously putting in the least amount of effort
 
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Fitzy said:
It's true.

I think Management is aiming more for a two line scoring group now. The issue with that great Rangers team was that there wasn't a clear cut 'go to' line or killer powerplay group. It was just three well balanced '2nd lines' as we used to say and an elite checking 4th line.

This time around, I think the target is for two '1st lines' followed by two elite checking lines. At least that's what the trade of Buch and the acquisition of Goodrow signals to me.
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Vince has specifically said that this is what the Rangers are going for (or at least people he talks to indicate this is the direction they're trying to go)
Which...I mean you don't want a "checkign" third line that can't do anything with the puck and I think Drury knows that but I think he hopes that having a heavier third line with a different style can free up the top two skill lines a bit more
 
Somehow, some fcking way, the Rangers are going to be like the Blackhawks, needing to unload 2/3rds of the team every year when they were good because of cap commitments, but without even the playoffs, let alone multiple cup wins. LOL. How much of a hand we think Drury had in the Kreider and Trouba contracts?
 
JT Kreider said:
This essentially happened to TO once they had to pay Marner, Matthews and Nylander.

Crazy to say but the best chance they had at a Cup was during their rookie years, unfortunately JVR, Komarov and Bozak were heading to UFA fast and they of course had to let them walk.

That 2016-17 Leafs team was stacked and very tough to play against, and this was before Marner got infected with the "John Tavares syndrome" aka figuring out that sweet spot where you can put up the most amount of points while simultaneously putting in the least amount of effort
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With smart moves the Leafs should honestly still easily be able to contend. The Pens paid Crosby and Malkin and other important players on their roster a ton of money and finally managed to build a solid team around them and win the cup twice.
The hardest part is always getting the top talent, but that doesn't mean the job is done once you get there. You need good support players and to build your D and goaltending as well (which the Leafs have failed to do)

Also with the salary cap you can't just build a team and keep it together indefinitely. Players will get paid and you'll run out of cap room and hard choices have to get made. Talking about how the Rangers will have to jettison big contracts and roster churn isn't some surprise or bad thing, that's just how it is in the NHL with the cap
 
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oh and I'd also be pretty interested in Hertl but feels like the Sharks will want a lot in return
 
bleedblue94 said:
So you are someone who hates the risk on the lindross trade as well?

I'm done arguing with you bc we are just going in circles and I can respect a differing opinion. In a non-argumentative manner I ask you how do you see the balance between acquiring young elite level nhl players who comes with injury risk vs not even having the opportunity to acquire that type of player if he is healthy. In my mind those kind of players at prime age rarely are even a possibility. You have to luck into them or tank your way to them. Here I just see a unique chance to add a player that without the injury wouldn't be available or would actually cost what Adams asked for originally which no one would want to give up. I've never advocated for trading 4 prime assets for eichel.

Are you in the camp advocating to offer sheet Petersen for four 1sts?
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The Lindros trade was doomed to fail the moment the deal was struck.
 
Edge said:
At some point Eichel's risk becomes worth a certain cost.

The challenge is getting down to that acceptable cost, which so far we haven't.

Even in those Kravtsov, Chytil, Schneider, Lundkvist groupings, there's hesitation there.
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I pass. Go for someone healthy if your paying a premium like that.
 
DialUp said:
Somehow, some fcking way, the Rangers are going to be like the Blackhawks, needing to unload 2/3rds of the team every year when they were good because of cap commitments, but without even the playoffs, let alone multiple cup wins. LOL. How much of a hand we think Drury had in the Kreider and Trouba contracts?
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if we win multiple cups i could care leas if we have to start trading people bc of the cap.
 
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CLW said:
I fully understand the fascination with Eichel, but it really is difficult to make it work and justify the risk, the cost in talent and the cap hit for just one player, as many have pointed out. I find it hard to believe Buffalo will just let this kid go for relative peanuts after having invested so much in him and based all their plans on him for years (including mistakes like Skinner). Even going back to last year's draft where they picked Quinn I felt that pick was with Eichel in mind.

Interestingly Buffalo's spine specialist, Dr. Cappuccino, is a leading developer of and expert on ADR, yet he is not advocating ADR in Eichel's case. Dr. Cappuccino is also the surgeon who has performed the most ADR operations in the US.

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Actually, according to Eichel's agent, the Sabres were on board for the disk replacement and suddenly changed course. So there is another wrinkle.

I could see a scenario where some teams were ok with replacement, but most were gun shy. Or the price reflected the uncertainty. Then maybe Buffalo changed course to drag in more suitors.

I'm pretty comfortable with the procedure. The price is another issue. I think of Bobby Orr here. They butchered his knee with old technology and methods. At one time, ACL surgery, knee reconstruction... that was experimental. Conor McDavid did something basically revolutionary after his nasty injury.

I just want to know what the team looks like after. That's the reluctance.
 
bobbop said:
The longer the situation in Buffalo drags on, the leverage shifts to Eichel. He is not going to have the fusion. The Sabres may have the right to approve the surgery but Eichel can’t be obligated to have their preferred surgery. The clock is ticking on the 2021-22 season and Eichel’s impending NTC on 7/1/22. This is not going to turn out well for the Sabres and Drury is smart to bide his time. I’m quite sure the Rangers have a good understanding of the artificial disc procedure and what it would mean.

Patience, patience, patience!
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Is this a change in your thinking on Eichel? You've been pretty staunchly against.
 
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RGY said:
Still pushing this ridiculously dumb argument I see. I’ll check back later
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Sorry, should have called it a "Fun Fact" which would have denoted the NON SERIOUS NATURE OF THE RIDICULOUS ARGUMENT I MADE. Love you, God Bless!
 
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NYR Viper said:
The issue with Toronto is that they signed Matthews and Marner for 5 years. That window is too tight for top talent when the team was still building.
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Hindsight, but if we locked Mika down longer term instead of the 5 year deal, we might've been in much better shape. But who'd knew he'd turn into what he did (when he is on his game). Matthews and Marner were almost sure shot stars from the get go.
 
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DialUp said:
Hindsight, but if we locked Mika down longer term instead of the 5 year deal, we might've been in much better shape. But who'd knew he'd turn into what he did (when he is on his game). Matthews and Marner were almost sure shot stars from the get go.
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right but they were squeezed by the tavares deal. Toronto made a mistake with Tavares, where they got UFA years from tavares at 11m, and had to look at matthews in the face and say we're going to pay him more than you. Same with Marner.
Additionally that 11m for tavares split over 2 5.5 M players, and I really think that toronto probably gets past the first round the past few years.
 
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