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Speculation: Roster Building Frenzy Part XX

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We still need to hire an assistant GM and an assistant coach in charge of the PP and forwards.

Still think we're waiting to hear from Rick Tocchet on the latter...
 
I honestly feel that one way or another we will get Eichel.

I did some deep reading on his condition, surgery options and some trial results concerning athletes for each. Not that it means much, but I feel the move is inevitable so im trying to arm myself with as much information as possible.

At this point there really aren't that many teams left in the discussions. So Drury is taking it slow. If so, here's to hoping they don't give up anything of great value for him.

I am willing to take a risk on Jack if it's a first rounder (I'd even go 2, but then more players need to be left out), but I don't want any high profile prospects or players going the other way. No to Chytil. No to Nils. No to Schneider. I hang up the phone on Adams if Lafreniere or Kakko is even mentioned in passing.

They can have Strome as he was likely a goner anyway. And that's why you need to hold onto Chytil. As insurance if Eichel is injured long term. Even if he hasnt won that job yet, you need to maintain the flexibility.

Jones can go. Robertson can go, and I like both of them especially since they are on the left. And these prospects are friggin' decent prospects too. They would be much higher on other organizational lists. They could've had Buch but that ship has sailed.

If Drury is serious about brining in Eichel:

He should,

A: Have all of the medical information at his disposal and have a million doctors weigh in on his particular condition and the surgery that is needed.

B: Have a full-proof cap plan to fit in both Zib and Eichel, so the risk is worth actually improving the team to a degree that is worth the headache and cost. If it involves circumvention or shady plays ala TB, so be it. But make it happen.

C: Not give up any "tangible" assets, described above

Otherwise its too much of a risk and any other scenario will be forcing a trade that doesnt need to be made at this point in the Rangers rebuild/retool/reinforce - whatever the f*** you want to call it.
 
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jay from jersey said:
A 1-2 punch of Eichel Zibby is way more potent then Zibby chytil for the next 5 years.
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How many of Strome, Laf, Kravtsov, Miller, Fox, Jones, Kakko, Shesterkin, et al are we losing for nothing in order to get Eichel and Zibanejad under the cap (along with Panarin, Trouba, Kreider, and the new signings) for five years? And who plays first or second line center when Zib and/or Eichel inevitably spend time on the IR?
 
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bigdog16 said:
Turn on a Buffalo game sometime and you'll understand
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He hasn’t played since March. So, what good would it do?

All the tempo in the world and though it’s close Zibanejad comes out with better regular stats, scores more goals, is healthier, will play for the Rangers next season.
 
smoneil said:
How many of Strome, Laf, Kravtsov, Miller, Fox, Jones, Kakko, Shesterkin, et al are we losing for nothing in order to get Eichel and Zibanejad under the cap (along with Panarin, Trouba, Kreider, and the new signings) for five years? And who plays first or second line center when Zib and/or Eichel inevitably spend time on the IR?
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Strome likely gone for a 2nd and prospect. He most likely covers Zibby raise. As it sits they are 13 mill under right now
I don’t think kakko or Kravtsov have particularly large deal coming due too soon. Fox is the only one. Shesty likely gets 5.5 mill around there on a 5 yr deal or so. Georgiev s 2.5 going out should help with that as well.
So will chytils 2.3 going the other way
 
HockeyBasedNYC said:
I honestly feel that one way or another we will get Eichel.

I did some deep reading on his condition, surgery options and some trial results concerning athletes for each. Not that it means much, but I feel the move is inevitable so im trying to arm myself with as much information as possible.

At this point there really aren't that many teams left in the discussions. So Drury is taking it slow. If so, here's to hoping they don't give up anything of great value for him.

I am willing to take a risk on Jack if it's a first rounder (I'd even go 2, but then more players need to be left out), but I don't want any high profile prospects or players going the other way. No to Chytil. No to Nils. No to Schneider. I hang up the phone on Adams if Lafreniere or Kakko is even mentioned in passing.

They can have Strome as he was likely a goner anyway. And that's why you need to hold onto Chytil. As insurance if Eichel is injured long term. Even if he hasnt won that job yet, you need to maintain the flexibility.

Jones can go. Robertson can go, and I like both of them especially since they are on the left. And these prospects are friggin' decent prospects too. They would be much higher on other organizational lists. They could've had Buch but that ship has sailed.

If Drury is serious about brining in Eichel:

He should,

A: Have all of the medical information at his disposal and have a million doctors weigh in on his particular condition and the surgery that is needed.

B: Have a full-proof cap plan to fit in both Zib and Eichel, so the risk is worth actually improving the team to a degree that is worth the headache and cost. If it involves circumvention or shady plays ala TB, so be it. But make it happen.

C: Not give up any "tangible" assets, described above

Otherwise its too much of a risk and any other scenario will be forcing a trade that doesnt need to be made at this point in the Rangers rebuild/retool/reinforce - whatever the f*** you want to call it.
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I should have added the caveat, no matter what center we are likely targeting, whether it’s Eichel or whoever, I think drurys main pieces for trade are
Chytil
Lundkvist
Georgiev
Strome
1st 22’. I think he’s obviously love to keep the 1st if he can get away with not adding it.

Trading Nils just makes too much sense. He’s high profile, so he’ll bring back high talent. Were not going to be able to full take advantage of his entire skill set. Fox is going to get his minutes no matter what, he’ll see very little PP time and will be blocked from top 4 minutes on the right side until we can deal Trouba in 3 years. He’s also got Schneider right behind him, whose a stud prospect in his own right that plays a bigger nastier game, and a different style to Fox/Lundkvist/Jones
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Chytil likely goes because the player they are bringing in, will likely be in the same age range, maybe a little older, but will be taking the top 2 minutes away, essentially what’s supposed to be his spot.
Georgiev- too expensive too inconsistent
1st - self explanatory
Strome- more then likely won’t be given a long term deal, has solid chemistry with panarin, but they are looking at an upgrade of the overall package, not just points. His next deal likely proves himself out of NY for what he brings. They almost let him become a FA last season, after his best year in his career statistically. The writing is on the wall. That should tell you all you need to know
 
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jay from jersey said:
Strome likely gone for a 2nd and prospect. He most likely covers Zibby raise. As it sits they are 13 mill under right now
I don’t think kakko or Kravtsov have particularly large deal coming due too soon. Fox is the only one. Shesty likely gets 5.5 mill around there on a 5 yr deal or so. Georgiev s 2.5 going out should help with that as well.
So will chytils 2.3 going the other way
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Okay, so Strome leaving covers Zib's raise. You've subtracted Chytil's 2.3 and Georgiev's 2.5, so we can add those numbers to the 13 mil in available space (~18 million). Now subtract Shesty (5.5) and Eichel and we have 2.5 million in cap space left. We still haven't re-signed Fox. We will still have to re-sign Miller, Kakko, Laf, Kravtsov.

Say Fox gives us a hometown discount and signs long-term for 8 million. Also let's say that Miller, Kakko, Laf, and Krav ALL sign 2.5 m bridge deals. That's 18 million dollars. We'd be 15 million dollars short.

Where's the money coming from?
 
smoneil said:
Okay, so Strome leaving covers Zib's raise. You've subtracted Chytil's 2.3 and Georgiev's 2.5, so we can add those numbers to the 13 mil in available space (~18 million). Now subtract Shesty (5.5) and Eichel and we have 2.5 million in cap space left. We still haven't re-signed Fox. We will still have to re-sign Miller, Kakko, Laf, Kravtsov.

Say Fox gives us a hometown discount and signs long-term for 8 million. Also let's say that Miller, Kakko, Laf, and Krav ALL sign 2.5 m bridge deals. That's 18 million dollars. We'd be 15 million dollars short.

Where's the money coming from?
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How much dead cap is coming off at the end of this season.
It’s not 15 mill short it’s lower, I just really don’t feel like going on cap friendly right now.
I know next year it’s about 35 mill available with 13 players signed there about?
If they want it done, it’s def doable
 
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jay from jersey said:
How much dead cap is coming off at the end of this season.
It’s not 15 mill short it’s lower, I just really don’t feel like going on cap friendly right now
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The math is right there. If we bridge every kid except Fox and get a hometown discount FROM Fox, we are at least 15 million short. I think there is another couple million in dead cap coming off the books, but not a ton (this year was the big dead cap savings). I don't see any way that we can keep Eichel AND Zibanejad past this year unless we either lose Kreider and Trouba (which I don't see as likely) or trade every kid as they come off their ELCs (to be replaced by other ELCs or league minimum guys). The math doesn't work.
 
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smoneil said:
The math is right there. If we bridge every kid except Fox and get a hometown discount FROM Fox, we are at least 15 million short. I think there is another couple million in dead cap coming off the books, but not a ton (this year was the big dead cap savings). I don't see any way that we can keep Eichel AND Zibanejad past this year unless we either lose Kreider and Trouba (which I don't see as likely) or trade every kid as they come off their ELCs (to be replaced by other ELCs or league minimum guys). The math doesn't work.
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I’m going to have to look at the numbers exactly later when I get more time. But I know the number for next season is roughly 35 mill with 13 guys signed and the only major raises coming are fox and shesty.
Maybe they decide that Eichel is a better long term option then Zibby and decide to move him/ let him walk if he doesn’t agree to a deal. Who knows.
 
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Okay, so Strome leaving covers Zib's raise. You've subtracted Chytil's 2.3 and Georgiev's 2.5, so we can add those numbers to the 13 mil in available space (~18 million). Now subtract Shesty (5.5) and Eichel and we have 2.5 million in cap space left. We still haven't re-signed Fox. We will still have to re-sign Miller, Kakko, Laf, Kravtsov.

Say Fox gives us a hometown discount and signs long-term for 8 million. Also let's say that Miller, Kakko, Laf, and Krav ALL sign 2.5 m bridge deals. That's 18 million dollars. We'd be 15 million dollars short.

Where's the money coming from?
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Trouba stubs his toe and ends up on LTIR for the 2022-2023 regular season.
 
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user26 said:
Man I want that to happen ^
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Imagine us winning it all this year or next with him as backup, man, I could already make myself emotional when I imagined us going on a cindarella run in the bubble & our alternate captains refusing to lift the cup until Hank does first. It already seemed insurmountable and as if it’s set in stone that he’d never lift a cup. But imagine him going through the whole heart surgery thing and coming back to the Rangers, Shesterkin tweaking his groin in warmups of Game 7 of the SCF, Hank goes in and gets the win. That would be the most emotional moment in NHL history
 
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Kupo said:
I love this man. #Bringhimback

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