Speculation: Roster Building Frenzy Part XX

[Thirty One]

There's also absolutely zero reason in signing a bad #7 like Gudbranson who you know for sure is bad when you can play a prospect/young player who may be bad but also may not be.

Coaches value certainty though.

 

[NYR Viper]

There is almost zero correlation between zone starts and CFRel. a 0.03 r^2 among dmen last year. They aren't important.

How does that make any sense?

Corsi against is shots + misses + blocks against while corsi for is all of those but for. If you continually start in the defensive end, the other team has a much larger probability to shoot more than you do?

If the majority of your starts are in the defensive end, that means someone else is getting the majority of the starts in the offensive end in general (that or your team just really sucks) giving them a better opportunity to have more shot attempts?

Am I thinking of this wrong?

 

[Avery16]

There's also absolutely zero reason in signing a bad #7 like Gudbranson who you know for sure is bad when you can play a prospect/young player who may be bad but also may not be.

Shayna isn’t a source unless you’re talking scarves or gifs. Plus, she’s clearly spitballing here.

 

[Savant]

I think the kids will be fine actually, especially under Gallant. They were unbalanced last year hence the changes to the roster.

And that’s fine. But there are still question marks and they have to prove that they didn’t overcorrect.

 

[SA16]

How does that make any sense?

Corsi against is shots + misses + blocks against while corsi for is all of those but for. If you continually start in the defensive end, the other team has a much larger probability to shoot more than you do?

If the majority of your starts are in the defensive end, that means someone else is getting the majority of the starts in the offensive end in general (that or your team just really sucks) giving them a better opportunity to have more shot attempts?

Am I thinking of this wrong?

Because that is what the numbers are. I didn't make them up lol. ~50% of the time you start in the d-zone you will win the faceoff anyway. And it's because most players are not in extremes. 84% of dmen were between 40% and 60% o-zone starts. That's not that much of a difference. On a per game basis that's maybe 1-2 faceoffs. Yandle was the leader in a landslide at 83% o-zone this year (next high was 67%). He might be an outlier. On the low end, oddly enough, you had Benning at 23%. Also, most shifts start on the fly where that doesn't apply.

Sticking with Gudbranson here were his numbers this year:

O-zone starts: 75 (1.7/game)
D-zone starts: 86 (1.9/game)
Neutral zone starts: 110 (2.4/game)
On the fly starts: 593 (13.2/game)

And the real extreme example of Yandle on a per game basis

O-Zone: 3.4/game
D-Zone: 0.7/game
Neutral: 2.9/game
OTF: 10.5/game

Even for him it's a minor percentage of his shifts. 63% of all shifts across the league start on the fly. An interesting to thing to look at up would be the CF% of only the shifts that start with a faceoff in the offensive/defensive zone. Maybe it is a factor but overall it's just negated because of how relatively rare those shifts are.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I always though DeBoer was a 'loser'.

Maybe he should have played Reaves after his suspension... Maybe he has an effect that doesn't show up on the stat sheet.

Oh if you think we hated Quinn, you should take a look at how their fans feel about DeBoer.

 

[jay from jersey]

Yeah, you almost have to wonder if the Rangers aren't secretly hoping schneider looks like he needs some time in the A. Either way, a full season of top pair minutes in hartford would probably be the best thing for schneider anyway.

that’s what I’m thinking. If Schneider comes in polished, physical, poised, and ready it certainly gives them a tough decision. Especially if your message is the best guy is gonna play no matter what.
But your right, they are probably hoping that he stumbles a little so him and Robertson get heavy 1st pair minutes in the A

 

[Leonardo87]

This will be an unpopular opinion here but I wouldn't hate a Gudbranson signing.

Gudbranson was very good for Anaheim. He is a solid bottom pairing guy. Wouldn't mind if for depth as a 6/7D. He is not going to make you hold your breath every time he touches the puck, can get it out of danger.

 

[jay from jersey]

They were unbalanced last year too. That’s why they missed the playoffs. They had all of those guys last year too. Buchnevich put up 50 points and was their best penalty killer. Blackwell wasn’t exactly chopped liver either. The kids need to step up or there isn’t enough balance. They got tougher but sacrificed a lot of offense.

Blais likely gives you 35pts or so and goodrow replaces around 30. Zibby shouldn’t have a down year like last years. If it wasn’t for the PP he would have been in trouble numbers wise. The kids all should take a step fwd, they are counting on that given the increased time/situations, but it’s not a giant step. Their overall team D should be better as well

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

If Blais turns into a 35 point player we won the Buchnevich trade.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

So in the latest installment of “Rick Carpinello knows nothing”, ol’ Rick dropped a mailbag today and he puts it out publicly for all to see that he doesn’t know if Filip Chytil has a place on this Rangers team

It’s almost too easy to clown on Carp at this point

 

[Thirty One]

So in the latest installment of “Rick Carpinello knows nothing”, ol’ Rick dropped a mailbag today and he puts it out publicly for all to see that he doesn’t know if Filip Chytil has a place on this Rangers team

It’s almost too easy to clown on Carp at this point

The Eichel faceoff question was startling to me. I can see not wanting Eichel for a variety of reasons, some of which I disagree with. But to think that the Rangers should pass up on elite talent to try to win another a couple faceoffs (1 out of 50? 60?) is mind-bottling.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

The Eichel faceoff question was startling to me. I can see not wanting Eichel for a variety of reasons, some of which I disagree with. But to think that the Rangers should pass up on elite talent to try to win another a couple faceoffs (1 out of 50? 60?) is mind-bottling.

On Eichel I’m not sure what’s worse, what you mentioned or that Carp legitimately thinks Zibanejad is a better player than Eichel

it’s astounding how bad Carp is and gets paid to be bad

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

I basically have been checking in on Carp articles lately just to rate them all “Meh”. Just brutal.

 

[Thirty One]

On Eichel I’m not sure what’s worse, what you mentioned or that Carp legitimately thinks Zibanejad is a better player than Eichel

it’s astounding how bad Carp is and gets paid to be bad

I don't think he said that. He says he'd prefer Zibanejad considering the cost of assets. Unless he said that directly later, I don't know it's kinda long.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

So in the latest installment of “Rick Carpinello knows nothing”, ol’ Rick dropped a mailbag today and he puts it out publicly for all to see that he doesn’t know if Filip Chytil has a place on this Rangers team

It’s almost too easy to clown on Carp at this point

I love his "Brendan Lemieux was traded for other reasons, I'll just leave it at that." in response to someone asking why he was moved if we want to get tougher to play against.

Lemieux sucks and wasn't good or consistent at anything. He didn't make us tougher to play against. Carp acting like he has some insider info when the real answer should just be "He sucks and was traded because he sucks and who cares" is funny.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

I don't think he said that. He says he'd prefer Zibanejad considering the cost of assets. Unless he said that directly later, I don't know it's kinda long.

He did qualify it with the cost of assets but he finished his paragraph by actually saying that he thinks Zibanejad is a better player than Eichel.

"And I’m on record saying, given the cost in terms of assets it will take to get Eichel, the cost in terms of his annual $10 million cap hit, and what Zibanejad has done and meant to this team the past two years, I’d rather have Zibanejad at $9 million or $10 million, with Ryan Strome as the No. 2 with Artemi Panarin, than Eichel in that spot. I also think, right here and now, Zibanejad’s a better player."

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

I don't think he said that. He says he'd prefer Zibanejad considering the cost of assets. Unless he said that directly later, I don't know it's kinda long.

He did say it at the end of his thought lol

And I’m on record saying, given the cost in terms of assets it will take to get Eichel, the cost in terms of his annual $10 million cap hit, and what Zibanejad has done and meant to this team the past two years, I’d rather have Zibanejad at $9 million or $10 million, with Ryan Strome as the No. 2 with Artemi Panarin than Eichel in that spot. I also think, right here and now, Zibanejad’s a better player

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

I don't think he said that. He says he'd prefer Zibanejad considering the cost of assets. Unless he said that directly later, I don't know it's kinda long.

“And I’m on record saying, given the cost in terms of assets it will take to get Eichel, the cost in terms of his annual $10 million cap hit, and what Zibanejad has done and meant to this team the past two years, I’d rather have Zibanejad at $9 million or $10 million, with Ryan Strome as the No. 2 with Artemi Panarin, than Eichel in that spot. I also think, right here and now, Zibanejad’s a better player.”

 

[pld459666]

That remains to be seen.

They are only better if the kids take a leap.

Disagree.

Our bottom 6 is worlds better this year than last years, which alone will off-set the loss of Buchnevich.

Our defence, specifically Miller being a year more mature and the addition of Lundkvist along with the physical presence in Nemeth will assist in making this team better.

If we get the leap forward that you mention from the likes of Lafrenier, Kakko, Chitil and Kravtsov, we are head and shoulders better and headed for a very good season.

Not to mention a HC that, by most accounts, players love playing for.

 

[Fitzy]

I'd take 19-20 Zibby over Eichel, but that was a career year that we are unlikely to ever see again.

I agree with Michelletti that Zibby was one of the best centers in the league that year.

 

[Savant]

Disagree.

Our bottom 6 is worlds better this year than last years, which alone will off-set the loss of Buchnevich.

Our defence, specifically Miller being a year more mature and the addition of Lundkvist along with the physical presence in Nemeth will assist in making this team better.

If we get the leap forward that you mention from the likes of Lafrenier, Kakko, Chitil and Kravtsov, we are head and shoulders better and headed for a very good season.

Not to mention a HC that, by most accounts, players love playing for.

Still need to see it. Which is fine.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I'd take 19-20 Zibby over Eichel, but that was a career year that we are unlikely to ever see again.

I agree with Michelletti that Zibby was one of the best centers in the league that year.

18-19 Zibanejad was really good too.

 

[archanfelnsx]

Jack Eichel (50% Retained)
3rd Round Pick

For

Ryan Strome
Kaapo Kakko
Alexandar Georgiev
Zac Jones
1st Round Pick

 

[bhamill]

Still need to see it. Which is fine.

Well in all fairness we'd still need to see if Buchnevich could replicate what he did last year too, if he were still here. Cant predict the future in ANY scenario. It's not a given Buch produces this year like he did last. It's all projection and "still need to see it."