Speculation: Roster Building Frenzy Part XX

[RangersFan1994]

I’d still take Shayna over Carp

Agreed

 

[duhmetreE]

Ok. I’ll take Buchnevich over Blais and Goodrow.

Here’s the bottom line. If the Rangers get better it will because that Lafreniere, Kakko, Kravtsov, Chytil group takes a leap. If not, they have lost too much offense. The Rangers will not be better because of Blais or Goodrow. They’ll check harder, but it’s not raising the ceiling of the team.

This team is much better than last years team.

Gallant is a multiplier of that as well

 

[Thirty One]

Though it would be hilarious here if we acquired every tough guy that played under Gallant. Jody Shelley looks like he's still in shape.

 

[Savant]

This team is much better than last years team.

Gallant is a multiplier of that as well

That remains to be seen.

They are only better if the kids take a leap.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

Not necessarily. If anything now they are too unbalanced in the other direction. That’s why the kids need to take a leap to improve the team. Rangers still need to put points up.

Unbalanced my ass. You don't think they will put up points? LAF, Mika, Kakko, Panarin, Strome, Kravs, Krieder, Chytil, Fox.... I think they will be fine.

 

[Fitzy]

Miller should improve this season as well- especially if Trouba is able to stay healthy and they let Nemeth loosen his responsibilities a bit.

 

[Ruggs225]

The Islanders go far because they are the best coached team and they have the most continuity and chemistry. They aren’t just big.

Teams need to be able to score too. That’s why Vegas didn’t beat Montreal if you want to go there.

Yes teams neeed to score. That is why wr have panarin, zib, kreider, strome, laff, kako and krav.

Now wee need balance of grit which is what we did. Cant have all skill players and go far.
Even tampa didnt win a cup until they fixed their bottoms six with some sandpaper.

and yes the isles are well coached, but they physically wear teams down. They are hell to play against. And their 4th line is the most important line for them, because they matchup against first lines.

montreal went far bc they are good defensively and their second line is a good shutdown line.

we dont have one, we went out and traded for one. We will see if it works. You meed it for the playoffs.

i think the biggest thing is the return we got for butch. Ahould have at least gotten an extra 3rd or 2nd.

 

[tomobson]

That remains to be seen.

They are only better if the kids take a leap.

The kids will have Zib on one line and Panarin on the other. It's not like they are hanging them out to dry. They're in a pretty ideal situation to start taking steps forward.

 

[jay from jersey]

This team is much better than last years team.

Gallant is a multiplier of that as well

this. Even with the loss of Buch this team is much tougher and harder to play against. And as you mentioned it will also be better coached.

the roles of the players will be more defined, the kids will be more mature and have a full camp/ year of training, and the defense is better as a whole.
anyone who doesn’t think were better now, then before all these moves is off their rocker

 

[NYR Viper]

This team needs to let the kids grow. Look around the league, many young players are allowed to play and grow and become difference makers on their ELC's. These young kids need to be given that opportunity and the team needs to know what they have.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Vegas was 3rd in the league in GPG last year. LOL at them not being able to score.

They ran into problems in the playoffs because their PP was shit. 5v5 they scored more goals than anyone other than Tampa (47 vs 44, in 4 fewer games.)

Rangers were 8th in the league at GF 5v5 last year with Zibanejad basically doing nothing for the first half of the season. The future of this team was always going to hang on the success of the kids developing into difference makers. If they don't, they're f***ed with or with out Buchnevich.

 

[Savant]

Unbalanced my ass. You don't think they will put up points? LAF, Mika, Kakko, Panarin, Strome, Kravs, Krieder, Chytil, Fox.... I think they will be fine.

They were unbalanced last year too. That’s why they missed the playoffs. They had all of those guys last year too. Buchnevich put up 50 points and was their best penalty killer. Blackwell wasn’t exactly chopped liver either. The kids need to step up or there isn’t enough balance. They got tougher but sacrificed a lot of offense.

 

[Savant]

The kids will have Zib on one line and Panarin on the other. It's not like they are hanging them out to dry. They're in a pretty ideal situation to start taking steps forward.

Sure. And that’s why it remains to be seen.

 

[Thirty One]

This team needs to let the kids grow. Look around the league, many young players are allowed to play and grow and become difference makers on their ELC's. These young kids need to be given that opportunity and the team needs to know what they have.

Don't need to look too far. Adam Fox just won the Norris on an ELC. Igor Shesterkin led the team in starts by a wide margin on an ELC. I don't imagine there's a team that gave out more ice time to players on ELCs last season.

 

[McRanger92]

Doesnt make much sense after the Tinordi signing, but im sure the response on social media will be very measured if it does happen. Expecting everyone will conveniently ignore how the hallowed Lightning employed Zach Bogosian & Luke Schenn over the past 2 years so they can crush the Rangers for it

 

[Off Sides]

Vegas was 3rd in the league in GPG last year. LOL at them not being able to score.

They ran into problems in the playoffs because their PP was shit. 5v5 they scored more goals than anyone other than Tampa (47 vs 44, in 4 fewer games.)

Rangers were 8th in the league at GF 5v5 last year with Zibanejad basically doing nothing for the first half of the season. The future of this team was always going to hang on the success of the kids developing into difference makers. If they don't, they're f***ed with or with out Buchnevich.

While this is true, I do have concerns about some of the players replicating pretty close to what they did last season offensively, some a little better some a little worse. And when I say some of the players, I mean all of the players.

 

[jay from jersey]

Don't need to look too far. Adam Fox just won the Norris on an ELC. Igor Shesterkin led the team in starts by a wide margin on an ELC. I don't imagine there's a team that gave out more ice time to players on ELCs last season.

Nope. Youngest team in the league. And they adding Hopefully Barron on ELC this year, but signing all the vets and trading for Blais I’m sure upped our overall age average. Especially Reaves

 

[SA16]

So if you look at Gudbranson's stats for the last (2) years they aren't THAT Bad really.


2019-2020
44gp
20:02 of average TOI
9 points
91 PIM's
-3% corsi rel
-1.8% FF rel
60.4% defensive zone start percentage

2020-2021
45 games played
17:55 average TOI
4 points
59 PIM's
-8.1% corsi rel
-9.6% FF rel
62.7% defensive zone start percentage


His point totals look bad but if you weigh in his defensive zone start percentage you can see one of the reasons he is out-shot on the ice. His year in Anaheim (2019-2020) was low-key a solid year for a depth d-man playing above his head in terms of minutes it appears.

Again, he shouldn't come in and be a top-6 Game 1 guy, but in terms of a depth signing? I'm game.

To put this in perspective, Gudbranson is significantly better than Tinordi and it's not really close.

There is almost zero correlation between zone starts and CFRel. a 0.03 r^2 among dmen last year. They aren't important.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

They were unbalanced last year too. That’s why they missed the playoffs. They had all of those guys last year too. Buchnevich put up 50 points and was their best penalty killer. Blackwell wasn’t exactly chopped liver either. The kids need to step up or there isn’t enough balance. They got tougher but sacrificed a lot of offense.

I think the kids will be fine actually, especially under Gallant. They were unbalanced last year hence the changes to the roster.

 

[Thirty One]

Nope. Youngest team in the league. And they adding Hopefully Barron on ELC this year, but signing all the vets and trading for Blais I’m sure upped our overall age average. Especially Reaves

Plus everyone aged by approximately a year.

 

[duhmetreE]

That remains to be seen.

They are only better if the kids take a leap.

In theory, it should come together.

Kids get bumped in offensive roless
We have more energy players
Added Grit.

We still lack a 'matchup center'.. Unless they plan on using Goodrow there. We could desperately use a Cirelli imo.

 

[SA16]

no. there's never a good reason to sign bad players. for depth or otherwise.

there's tons of good enough d-men that can be a #7 over a trashbag on skates like Gudbranson

There's also absolutely zero reason in signing a bad #7 like Gudbranson who you know for sure is bad when you can play a prospect/young player who may be bad but also may not be.

 

[duhmetreE]

Vegas was 3rd in the league in GPG last year. LOL at them not being able to score.

They ran into problems in the playoffs because their PP was shit. 5v5 they scored more goals than anyone other than Tampa (47 vs 44, in 4 fewer games.)

Rangers were 8th in the league at GF 5v5 last year with Zibanejad basically doing nothing for the first half of the season. The future of this team was always going to hang on the success of the kids developing into difference makers. If they don't, they're f***ed with or with out Buchnevich.

I always though DeBoer was a 'loser'.

Maybe he should have played Reaves after his suspension... Maybe he has an effect that doesn't show up on the stat sheet.

 

[jay from jersey]

This team needs to let the kids grow. Look around the league, many young players are allowed to play and grow and become difference makers on their ELC's. These young kids need to be given that opportunity and the team needs to know what they have.

I agree, especially with defined roles and what gallant expects out of each line. The Buch trade was important to give one of our young stud wings more minutes on one of the scoring lines.
I also think Barron emerges from camp with a hold on the 3C position. He’s the exact type of player that would thrive under Gallant, and has the size and skill set for what he’s looking for to center a 3rd line.
Right now, we all see that there’s too many guys for not enough spots. I’m happy there’s going to be competition, but I think we all know there’s some sort of trade looming and I think some people are going to be surprised who comes out of camp with a starting job in the line up

 

[Dr. Ogrodnick]

Jones being able to play both RD/LD and having played games well last season for the rangers certainly makes him a likely candidate.
I’m wondering what happens if Schneider has an absolutely lights out camp, what do they do? Do then send him to the AHL anyway? Seems most likely. But it’s not out of the realm of possibility

Yeah, you almost have to wonder if the Rangers aren't secretly hoping schneider looks like he needs some time in the A. Either way, a full season of top pair minutes in hartford would probably be the best thing for schneider anyway.