Player Discussion Kirby Dach (Part 3): TabarDach Edition!

[TomKosto]

Bjugstad comes to mind

Bjugstad had 76, 72, 67,54 and 82 in his first 5 full nhl season (didnt count the 11 games he played at the end of his nccaa carreer.) He had a lot of injuries later on, not the first years where development is so important.

 

[Hacketts]

I'm very concerned about how much real playing time it took Dach to become even somewhat successful. His struggles defensively were well documented and never went away. We can't afford that -27 bullshit next season I'm not confident he'll show up ready to play.


Yes Benoit Brunet.

Silver-lining if there is one, Dach knows what he's in for... he understands the challenges in front of him. In a perfect world he uses that experience has an opportunity to grow as a person and athlete, and manages to come back stronger physically and mentally. It's all in Kirby hands on he responds to this setback.

Regardless of that, Montreal will do what's best for the organization and probably acquire another C at some point.

 

[Victoire HuGo]

Bjugstad had 76, 72, 67,54 and 82 in his first 5 full nhl season (didnt count the 11 games he played at the end of his nccaa carreer.) He had a lot of injuries later on, not the first years where development is so important.

Vilardi is one

 

[TomKosto]

Vilardi is one

Good one! Let’s hope!

 

[Goalfield13]

You win - how dare he. Glad you take pleasure on crapping on a professional athlete that has suffered three serious injuries before he turns 24.

I don't take pleasure at all. I wish we didn't do the trade in the first place. I am pretty a annoyed about the whole thing.

 

[BozoTheClown]

Don't think you got my point. It made no sense to trade productive 23 years old players when starting a rebuild. We did not trade Caufield or Suzuki when we started ours. So assuming Chicago saw something other than the injuries is ridiculous. They went for a scorched earth rebuild for Bedard. They basically traded everyone why had any kind of value.

Dach was not productive the season he was traded and would have not affected the tank season Chicago was going into.
If they traded Dach because they were worried about his injuries, our staff team didn’t their homework and if Dach injuries had no bearing in their decision to trade him, why trade a 21 y/o 3rd overall pick 6’4” 215 lbs center 3 years after drafting him? You would think that this is the kind of player that would compliment Bedard down the road after the rebuild.

How do we know Chicago didn’t see something they didn’t like? They had 3 seasons to assess him. What we have seen from here since he’s been with us is probably what Chicago saw and it’s not someone we should have traded for.

 

[Hacketts]

Dach was not productive the season he was traded and would have not affected the tank season Chicago was going into.
If they traded Dach because they were worried about his injuries, our staff team didn’t their homework and if Dach injuries had no bearing in their decision to trade him, why trade a 21 y/o 3rd overall pick 6’4” 215 lbs center 3 years after drafting him? You would think that this is the kind of player that would compliment Bedard down the road after the rebuild.

How do we know Chicago didn’t see something they didn’t like? They had 3 seasons to assess him. What we have seen from here since he’s been with us is probably what Chicago saw and it’s not someone we should have traded for.

If Dach played liked he did with us in his first season, would they have traded him?

I'm sure they saw stuff they didn't like, not sure how much it had to do with injuries.

 

[BozoTheClown]

If Dach played liked he did with us in his first season, would they have traded him?

Of course they would have not traded him and I believe we have seen why they traded him. Dach might have the size and talent but his problem is between his ears and I think he just doesn’t have it in him to commit to being a professional day in day out for a lengthy period of time.

I'm sure they saw stuff they didn't like, not sure how much it had to do with injuries.

Maybe Dach didn’t take his rehabilitation and training seriously which lead him to struggle upon his return.

 

[Habnot]

I don't take pleasure at all. I wish we didn't do the trade in the first place. I am pretty a annoyed about the whole thing.

I see, Hughes needed to be able to anticipate the 2 knee injuries.....

From a team building perspective, all we lost is Romanov - who is a good player but we have an abundance of LD. With the amount of assets we have, HuGo should be able to get a 2C. As for Dach - aside of wishing him a speedy recovery, he is not lost. He can still be a top 6 wing.

 

[Goalfield13]

I see, Hughes needed to be able to anticipate the 2 knee injuries.....

From a team building perspective, all we lost is Romanov - who is a good player but we have an abundance of LD. With the amount of assets we have, HuGo should be able to get a 2C. As for Dach - aside of wishing him a speedy recovery, he is not lost. He can still be a top 6 wing.

He had a major injury and his play was lackluster before we got him.

We could have moved Romanov for something better.

He can go be a top 6 winger somewhere else. I can't trust him to stay healthy. We also have Caufield, Sfaf, Demidov and Laine to fill that role.

 

[OldCraig71]

Our management had doubts about Dach, hence the contract they gave him.

If they had given him 5 years at 5-6 million per year it would have suggested they were all in, but clearly that wasn't the case.

 

[Be a Hab]

He had a major injury and his play was lackluster before we got him.

We could have moved Romanov for something better.

He can go be a top 6 winger somewhere else. I can't trust him to stay healthy. We also have Caufield, Sfaf, Demidov and Laine to fill that role.

KH traded for a former 3rd overall pick and didn't work out, or not yet at least. Its definitely disappointing but I'd rather KH takes a chance on a player like Dach than not. I thought it was a decent gamble at the time.

 

[Goalfield13]

KH traded for a former 3rd overall pick and didn't work out, or not yet at least. Its definitely disappointing but I'd rather KH takes a chance on a player like Dach than not. I thought it was a decent gamble at the time.

I understand hindsight, but I was worried at the time that Chicago, a team rebuilding, was giving up on a 3rd OA C with size. We can all pretend that these orgs are run by morons, but they have inside info we don't.

 

[CristianoRonaldo]

All I know is that Caufield clearly is better after having a year after recovering from his injury so we should extend that courtesy to Laine…but never should’ve with Dach because he’s a bum and always was!

Since he got injured again, next year should be recovery year too ?

 

[CharleyHorse]

KH traded for a former 3rd overall pick and didn't work out, or not yet at least. Its definitely disappointing but I'd rather KH takes a chance on a player like Dach than not. I thought it was a decent gamble at the time.

This. I much rather the HuGo strategy that brought Dach to Montreal than the Marc "trades are hard" BargainBin approach.

 

[Be a Hab]

I understand hindsight, but I was worried at the time that Chicago, a team rebuilding, was giving up on a 3rd OA C with size. We can all pretend that these orgs are run by morons, but they have inside info we don't.

I agree with you 100%, but Montreal have their own scouts as well. I'm sure Dach was well known to Habs management. But I agree the "Dach as oue 2nd line C" experiment should be over.

We need to trade for/sign a player before next season.

 

[Theodore450]

The Dach trade is forgivable because you tried to catch future top 6 C

The Barron trade for lehk is the one that still hurts the most

 

[DAChampion]

The Dach trade is forgivable because you tried to catch future top 6 C

The Barron trade for lehk is the one that still hurts the most

They tried to catch a future top 4 D.

 

[Theodore450]

They tried to catch a future top 4 D.

Defensemen that can’t play defence will never be top 4 guys

 

[DAChampion]

Defensemen that can’t play defence will never be top 4 guys

They often improve over time, like Jeff Petry.

 

[Habnot]

I understand hindsight, but I was worried at the time that Chicago, a team rebuilding, was giving up on a 3rd OA C with size. We can all pretend that these orgs are run by morons, but they have inside info we don't.

The move at the time was widely applauded by the hockey community. Chicago was after Bedard and made series of stupid moves that year.

Dach's first year as a Hab was very positive - and he was the best player at camp the next season. Listen to Basu's podcast...the freak Tinordi hit changed the trajectory. It happens with contact sports...

 

[OldCraig71]

They often improve over time, like Jeff Petry.

I'm watching the Rangers vs Preds and Barron should be forward because he isn't cut out for NHL defense. He has good hands and can skate and seriously should be a forward.

 

[Don D]

I see, Hughes needed to be able to anticipate the 2 knee injuries.....

From a team building perspective, all we lost is Romanov - who is a good player but we have an abundance of LD. With the amount of assets we have, HuGo should be able to get a 2C. As for Dach - aside of wishing him a speedy recovery, he is not lost. He can still be a top 6 wing.

Let us not forget the draft pick included in the deal (13th overall) which turned out to be Frank Nazar.He had 24 points in 21 AHL games this season before being called up by Chicago.

 

[Habnot]

Let us not forget the draft pick included in the deal (13th overall) which turned out to be Frank Nazar.He had 24 points in 21 AHL games this season before being called up by Chicago.

It wasn't included - it was a three way deal.

Chicago got the 13th pick (Islanders) and a 4th rounder Habs
Habs got Dach
Islanders got Romanov and Habs 3rd

As for Nazar, we don't need another 5'10" forward.

 

[Runner77]

Damn! That's too bad. Reminds of me of Markov's knee issues.

And with that, a Bat Signal went out to @MarkovsKnee.

The forum awaits as to whether he might get tempted to turn himself into Dachsknee.