Remember when I told you it was tradition that a former leaf would score on the Leafs? Remember that?
I present to you Calle Rosen.
Value of: ROR to the Leafs at the deadline.
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Remember when I told you it was tradition that a former leaf would score on the Leafs? Remember that?
I present to you Calle Rosen.
you think this happened to the entire team over one off season and +- is an individual indicator? Have you looked at the other Blues players +-? Its not really hard to see.
Reality Czech
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Rosen has been surprisingly good in his limited time this season. In 18 games played, he's got a respectable 7 points and leads the team in +/- with a +9. He hadn't played in nearly 3 weeks and scores a goal minutes into his first game back in the lineup. He's showing he belongs in this league.
As for O'Reilly and losing a step, he looks a lot better than he did for the first 25 games or so. He even said he sucked in interviews, saying he needed to prove he can still play in the league. He's always a slow starter, but he's also been playing with guys who provide little offense. Putting him on a line with Buchnevich and Schenn makes a lot more sense and I hope they stick with that for awhile.
I think putting him on a line with Tavares and Marner makes a lot of sense too.
Or on a 3rd 3rd line with Jarnkork.
Just saying.....
Put that out There and speak that into existence
Reality Czech
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Settle down fella, he's still our man! When he's on his game, he's the kind of player that can fit almost anywhere and would look good on the Leafs for sure.
I actually attended last night's game and there were plenty of people wearing Leafs jerseys, presumably there to scout ROR and report back to Dubas and Hf boards.
I never mentioned +/- and that's not really hard to see.
But holy shit! Leading the team with a -26 and being 7th for ES TOI does start to paint a picture. Toronto's scouts will look hard into that and his lack of offense this season
I hope Toronto pays the huge price for him(they would be better off with Toews)
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Minor correction.
Leivo wasn't a PTO. We signed him to a 1 year contract fairly early in the off-season(July 14) and at least part of it had to do with him beating the snot out of Springfield in the AHL PO's last year.
Tyler Pitlick was the one we signed off a PTO.
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Now look at his usage. Look at his shTOI, dZS%, 5v5 QoC, 5v5 QoT, etc.
Then look at his luck. Check his 5v5 oiSH%, 5v5 oiSV%, PDO, etc.
Then look at his performance in the playoffs.
That is, if you actually want to understand context. Something tells me Toronto (or any team other team looking to win in the playoffs if ROR is available at the TDL) will do a little more digging than esTOI and +/-, and they will realize what should be obvious to us all: ROR is still a helluva player.
Correct, the Leafs, or any other team will not make their decision because of +/- that's ridiculous
It is but Blues fans are pretty sensitive about it and the ones bringing it up
PocketNines
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You invert truth. According to reality, this thread was created Dec 1 and ran over three weeks and almost 12 full pages until a Leaf fan (Gary Nylund) on page 12 brought up +/- for the first time. A Blues fan answered on page 13 and the conversation went on from there. Three days after that another Leaf fan on page 15 (Smif) asked about it and pressed on about it when he insisted on a deeper dive. Blues fans answered the question. You are the third poster to bring it up. All of the posters bringing it up are Leaf fans and Blues fans are just answering the questions as they are brought up.It is but Blues fans are pretty sensitive about it and the ones bringing it up
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I don't feel like ROR has lost a step. He is turning 32 in February but he is also only 7 months removed from a fantastic all around playoff performance. His numbers have taken a hit due to his usage, linemates and an absolutely horrific team defense the Blues have shown this far.
ROR wearing the Maple Leaf solidifies Toronto's chances at going all the way significantly. ROR gives them a versatile option to play up and down the lineup or to OP their 3rd line as center. He's been there, done that when it comes to winning the Cup and performing in the playoffs. He makes Toronto's penalty kill better and gives them a weapon they can use to shut down a weapon on the opposing team. The eye test shows that he is still a wizard defensively even if his numbers aren't stellar. He is a player any contender should be interested in and a player that makes any playoff team acquiring him a tougher out and more difficult to beat, particularly when you need it most in the playoffs.
Personally, I prefer the Blues to keep him, resign him to something reasonable and hope they can turn it around enough to at least make the dance this season but if they are going to trade him, Toronto, would be silly not to come knocking, IMO
ROR wearing the Maple Leaf solidifies Toronto's chances at going all the way significantly. ROR gives them a versatile option to play up and down the lineup or to OP their 3rd line as center. He's been there, done that when it comes to winning the Cup and performing in the playoffs. He makes Toronto's penalty kill better and gives them a weapon they can use to shut down a weapon on the opposing team. The eye test shows that he is still a wizard defensively even if his numbers aren't stellar. He is a player any contender should be interested in and a player that makes any playoff team acquiring him a tougher out and more difficult to beat, particularly when you need it most in the playoffs.
Personally, I prefer the Blues to keep him, resign him to something reasonable and hope they can turn it around enough to at least make the dance this season but if they are going to trade him, Toronto, would be silly not to come knocking, IMO
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I think all of us would prefer to keep him.
I think the issue is realistically what’s best for this franchise looking at the roster is to sell and re-tool so we don’t keep riding the barrier of almost making the playoffs while this defense is currently where it’s at.
Chances are we aren’t going to make much noise in a series for 4-5 years at this point. It makes a lot more sense to not let the UFAs have a chance to walk and instead load up for the next year or two so we can avoid a rebuild and instead retool. Kyrou and Thomas are great building blocks. But unless a couple major changes are made to our defense I don’t see how we can realistically compete.
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Sure but the question is what you get when he flips the switch, is it the PPG Conn Smythe guy or is it a still good, but more of a 60 point 2C. How much of the drop is the team vs being 32. Not that many prospects get dropped into a physically demanding checking role at 18, that's a lot of tough miles on him.
Scintillating10
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Gamble but not giving up much. That first be about 30th, and a 2nd a year from now? Niemela not blue chip. You talking secondary youth.
Could always add Nieves and another first instead of '24 second for Horvat or Chrychun. Leafs havent bern close to a Cup since '93. I would be all in.
Scintillating10
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How is it not serious? You not giving up much. The 30th pick in draft? Not a top prospect. A 2nd a year from now has 30% chance of making average NHLer. Then extra year wait. Theres nothing to write home about in that offer.
I was talking about the part where you said the Leafs have never been this close to a cup, and thus should be all in.
I agree with that but at the same time I sense sarcasm from you.
Correct, however gems and studs are not a minus 26.....this is Foligno 2.0...
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He owed them, he would probably score in his net game 7 ot in the 1st round against Boston
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I wouldn’t give him a 5 yr extension, but if you need him to be a shut down center and score important goals in this years playoffs, he’ll be that
Scintillating10
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You player away, you want to get him. When Window closes its long ways back.
Even If It's only a 60 point center that would be really good to have on the 3rd line
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Not giving up much? I guess I would say not getting much in return either.
In this cap/parity era, no team ever has more than about a 15% chance at the cup. Adding a player like ROR improves the Leafs chances at best by something like 1% and going from 11% to 12% or whatever just isn't worth it IMO. When your core players are all just entering their primes, going all in makes no sense at all. Stay the course, be one of the top teams for at least the next 5-7 years or so. Going all in because of "since 93" isn't logical, it would be making a desperate move based on emotion.
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