Aren't they barely hanging onto a playoff spot? They may not be in position to make that deal
Value of: ROR to the Leafs at the deadline.
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Aren't they barely hanging onto a playoff spot? They may not be in position to make that deal
They are neutered by injuries.they may be a team looking to deal sooner than later and as such pay up.
Lol get out of here!!!
Puujujarvi has negative value, a B propsect is whatever as every team has 4-5 of them and Schaefer is a late first round pick.
This is not even close especially with retention. You’re not getting ROR without a first round pick 2023 coming back.
Filip Forsberg for Martin Erat.
For Leafs fans concerned about ROR's +/- and production, be aware that he wouldn't be coming to be your 1C. He'd be coming to be your 3C.
He's getting caved in against the opposition's top-lines, but mostly because he's got Saad (who should be a 3LW) and Leivo (who you're all familiar with and has been in the AHL this year) as his line-mates after having the guy with whom he had great chemistry leave in UFA (Perron). But most of the struggles the Blues have had are due to the defensive unit being ass and the forwards being unable to outscore their problems like they were able to last year when they were a much stronger/deeper team up-front.
Acquire him, and you've got a a legitimate 1C who can help your bottom-6 outscore the oppositions bottom-6...or be deployed as the shutdown-line against the other team's top-line, creating favorable matchups for Tavares' & Matthews' lines. Anyone uninterested in ROR from a TOR-perspective is missing the forest through the trees. Yeah, he's older and slow-ish...but so is Bergeron. Smarts are still smarts.
Now trade us Knies, a '23 1st and a '24 3rd, please.
He's getting caved in against the opposition's top-lines, but mostly because he's got Saad (who should be a 3LW) and Leivo (who you're all familiar with and has been in the AHL this year) as his line-mates after having the guy with whom he had great chemistry leave in UFA (Perron). But most of the struggles the Blues have had are due to the defensive unit being ass and the forwards being unable to outscore their problems like they were able to last year when they were a much stronger/deeper team up-front.
Acquire him, and you've got a a legitimate 1C who can help your bottom-6 outscore the oppositions bottom-6...or be deployed as the shutdown-line against the other team's top-line, creating favorable matchups for Tavares' & Matthews' lines. Anyone uninterested in ROR from a TOR-perspective is missing the forest through the trees. Yeah, he's older and slow-ish...but so is Bergeron. Smarts are still smarts.
Now trade us Knies, a '23 1st and a '24 3rd, please.
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For Leafs fans concerned about ROR's +/- and production, be aware that he wouldn't be coming to be your 1C. He'd be coming to be your 3C.
He's getting caved in against the opposition's top-lines, but mostly because he's got Saad (who should be a 3LW) and Leivo (who you're all familiar with and has been in the AHL this year) as his line-mates after having the guy with whom he had great chemistry leave in UFA (Perron). But most of the struggles the Blues have had are due to the defensive unit being ass and the forwards being unable to outscore their problems like they were able to last year when they were a much stronger/deeper team up-front.
Acquire him, and you've got a a legitimate 1C who can help your bottom-6 outscore the oppositions bottom-6...or be deployed as the shutdown-line against the other team's top-line, creating favorable matchups for Tavares' & Matthews' lines. Anyone uninterested in ROR from a TOR-perspective is missing the forest through the trees. Yeah, he's older and slow-ish...but so is Bergeron. Smarts are still smarts.
Now trade us Kneis, a '23 1st and a '24 3rd, please.
See this post class? THIS, ALL OF THIS, specifically the 2nd paragraph is why I want ROR and what I have been saying for weeks.
Now about that price I think It's a different prospect
2023 1st + 2024 2nd + Robertson for ROR @ 50%. Then resign ROR to 4 years @ 4.5 to 5 million.
Erndog
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Giroux signed for 3 yrs at $6.5M and was scoring at a much higher clip.
A few years ago, Eric Staal took 3 yrs at $3.5M from Minny.
I dont think 3-4 yrs around $5M or so is entirely out of the question. Esp at this stage of his career and if he wants to play on a perennial playoff team (and close to home). Sure, maybe he could squeeze out an extra $1M somewhere but that can't be his priority. Even still I'm not sure he could get $6M right now.
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If danault got 5.5M from a similar kind of player in a worst version of him, ROR can easily reach 6M and probably hit 7M with no problem... if he sign under 6M, it will be huge friendly deal
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nice how you characterize leafs as perennial playoff team and not as contender.
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leafsfan5
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To be fair, Sammy Blais somehow returned a top line player. Maybe Bracco could as well??
A third line with ROR would definitely be a hybrid scoring line. Having Kampf as the 4C immediately makes that line very defensively responsible as well. He's been a beast this year. ROR's line would be expected to produce as bottom 6 scoring is what this team is in desperate need of.
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Not happening with Armstrong, might want to give Drury a call though.
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What a special and original take! Maybe if you print it you can add it to your resume for when you're applying to Juilliard, such comedy chops!
What about using the Muzzin trade as a blueprint?
-2023 1st
-Neimela (Durzi was a nice prospect when traded, but he has achieved what I think was considered his ceiling at the time)
-Robertson (has at the very least equal value to Grundstrom at the time of the trade)
Muzzin also had another year on his deal
-2023 1st
-Neimela (Durzi was a nice prospect when traded, but he has achieved what I think was considered his ceiling at the time)
-Robertson (has at the very least equal value to Grundstrom at the time of the trade)
Muzzin also had another year on his deal
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This isn’t a bad offer and could very well be close to a return that is hypothetical.
I just wonder how much interest the Blues would have in adding a good defenseman that’s undersized as more or less the 1B portion of the trade.
Don’t take this as me saying Niemela isn’t good. This is just a question as as the Blues defense has gotten shorter and more towards a puck moving unit, our defense has been consistently getting worse and worse. I will admit I’m not entirely familiar with Niemelas strengths, weaknesses and playstyle, but it’s hard to overlook the correlation of our defense trending downwards as we have moved more towards this prototype of a defender.
I would not be upset with that return, I’ve been wrong many times. I personally just don’t see a whole lot of value in Robertson, and I could see the hesitation of Niemela.
That has nothing to do with the caps which was the trade we were talking about.
If ROR can't be extended then none of the offers make sense for the Leafs. If we are going to pay two 1sts + or a 1st + two very good prospects it has to be for a player with term or a player willing to sign an extension.
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