Value of: ROR to the Leafs at the deadline.

[TheFinalWord]

I would love to have ROR on the Leafs if it makes sense and was reasonable. Probably would be better getting a minute munching defenseman first.

As far as Knies, if the Leafs were willing to trade him, I would think Arizona would offer the biggest package, since he's from there. Just like if we ever traded Matthews, I would think Arizona would be willing to pay the most for their hometown guy. The benefit to them in marketing plus the player is worth more to them (or should be) than any other team.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

I would love to have ROR on the Leafs if it makes sense and was reasonable. Probably would be better getting a minute munching defenseman first.

As far as Knies, if the Leafs were willing to trade him, I would think Arizona would offer the biggest package, since he's from there. Just like if we ever traded Matthews, I would think Arizona would be willing to pay the most for their hometown guy. The benefit to them in marketing plus the player is worth more to them (or should be) than any other team.

Arizona doesn't have the top 6 forward you part with Knies for.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

Robertson+Niemela+2023 1st for ROR 50% retained

Replace Roberson with Minten and we have a deal. You can include Kerfoot or similar expiring cap dump if needed.

 

[peconcan]

Replace Roberson with Minten and we have a deal. You can include Kerfoot or similar expiring cap dump if needed.

I’d honestly rather keep Robertson over Minten anyways. I’d do Engvall or Holl instead of Kerfoot, I used to hate him but he’s been pretty valuable to us the past year and a half or so.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

2023 1st + Niemela + 2024 2nd for ROR 50% retained is probably the most the Leafs should do.

 

[Future]

I just don't see Knies being moved for anyone realistic. He might as well have been created in a lab as the perfect prospect for the Leafs current needs. A LW power forward is exactly what they need to compliment their top 6 and it would be foolish to deal Knies when he could be that answer.

This. I’m sure the Leafs would consider adding any prospect OTHER than Knies in a deal for ROR.

Matty Knies is just the perfect fit to complement the core that’s already very good. Not only a positional need at LW, but the type of player that could excel in playoff hockey.

Voit and Robertson are very good but a bit redundant with what the Leafs already have on the roster. Maybe they would be a better fit for this deal.

 

[mab894]

I’d honestly rather keep Robertson over Minten anyways. I’d do Engvall or Holl instead of Kerfoot, I used to hate him but he’s been pretty valuable to us the past year and a half or so.

Yeah I feel as tho Kerfoot has been underrated by some Leafs fans (maybe not anymore?). He is worth way more than being an expiring throw in contract. I would def take him on the Blues tho lol.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

I think it's silly to imply that Knies is worth more than ROR in a proposal where the Blues are sending a better pick to the Leafs to offset that value, but it's 100% reasonable to just say that Knies won't be moved for rentals. I personally don't see him being moved, but Blues fans would certainly like him, and remain linemates with Snuggerud.

Don't know who implied that and if they did and I missed it you have to think they weren't being serious

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

This. I’m sure the Leafs would consider adding any prospect OTHER than Knies in a deal for ROR.

Matty Knies is just the perfect fit to complement the core that’s already very good. Not only a positional need at LW, but the type of player that could excel in playoff hockey.

Voit and Robertson are very good but a bit redundant with what the Leafs already have on the roster. Maybe they would be a better fit for this deal.

I agree, I don't think they'd hesitate to Move any prospect that isn't Matthew Knies and it is ROR so I'm not sure Knies is even 100% untouchable but they'd have to think about that one.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

I’d honestly rather keep Robertson over Minten anyways. I’d do Engvall or Holl instead of Kerfoot, I used to hate him but he’s been pretty valuable to us the past year and a half or so.

Why? Robertson is constantly hurt, I say trade him before he f***s up his value IF he hasn't already

 

[Scintillating10]

Toronto don't have the picks to trade for top player like ROR. If they did, I think they would get a defenseman first.

Leafs only have 3 picks, maybe 2 as one of them is controlled by Arizona.

 

[BobClarkesfrontteeth]

Toronto don't have the picks to trade for top player like ROR. If they did, I think they would get a defenseman first.

Leafs only have 3 picks, maybe 2 as one of them is controlled by Arizona.

Cap Friendly is your friend. They have 5 picks with Arizona having the option on their 3rd round pick

 

[Leaf Fans]

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Toronto don't have the picks to trade for top player like ROR. If they did, I think they would get a defenseman first.

Leafs only have 3 picks, maybe 2 as one of them is controlled by Arizona.

They have 4 + the one in limbo as they picked up a 3rd in the Mat Murry deal.

 

[Gary Nylund]

2023 1st + Niemela + 2024 2nd for ROR 50% retained is probably the most the Leafs should do.

This seems insane TBH. To be fair, maybe I'm not giving ROR enough credit here but he's got 15 points in 33 games so tied for 8th in scoring on his team, he'll be 32 6 weeks from now, he's clearly past his prime and his -24 "leads" the team.

If we're talking about rentals for one playoff run, Niemela plus a 1st in a strong draft and a 2nd seems more in the ballpark for a Kane type player, way too high a price for ROR.

Just had a look at his numbers for the last 3 years plus this one.

61 points in 71 games - 1st on the team
54 points in 56 games - 2nd on the team
58 points in 78 games - 7th on the team
15 point in 33 games - 37 point pace, tied for 8th on the team

I get it, he's good defensively but still, that's a big time downward trend. IMO a 1st in this years strong draft should be plenty for a defensive specialist and I'm not sure I'd pay even that much. FWIW, I hate rentals in principle so it could be that that is a fair price, just one I'm not sure I'd pay because ... I hate rentals. JMHO.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Toronto don't have the picks to trade for top player like ROR. If they did, I think they would get a defenseman first.

Leafs only have 3 picks, maybe 2 as one of them is controlled by Arizona.

They have their most important pick, their 1st, you have year 1st you are inthe discussion

 

[Pebble live]

ROR is not who the leafs need for what they have available to spend.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

ROR is not who the leafs need for what they have available to spend.

ROR is EXACTLY what the Leafs need the man is a Selke winner you can match him against a teams top center

and then Matthews and Tavares can take on the 2nd and 3rd lines, matchups they would win

and then assuming your goaltending doesn't fall apart you win the series because ROR is your 3rd line center and teams can't match that.

 

[Adam da bomb]

They have their most important pick, their 1st, you have year 1st you are inthe discussion

If all it takes is a 1st many team teams beat that!

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

This seems insane TBH. To be fair, maybe I'm not giving ROR enough credit here but he's got 15 points in 33 games so tied for 8th in scoring on his team, he'll be 32 6 weeks from now, he's clearly past his prime and his -24 "leads" the team.

If we're talking about rentals for one playoff run, Niemela plus a 1st in a strong draft and a 2nd seems more in the ballpark for a Kane type player, way too high a price for ROR.

Just had a look at his numbers for the last 3 years plus this one.

61 points in 71 games - 1st on the team
54 points in 56 games - 2nd on the team
58 points in 78 games - 7th on the team
15 point in 33 games - 37 point pace, tied for 8th on the team

I get it, he's good defensively but still, that's a big time downward trend. IMO a 1st in this years strong draft should be plenty for a defensive specialist and I'm not sure I'd pay even that much. FWIW, I hate rentals in principle so it could be that that is a fair price, just one I'm not sure I'd pay because ... I hate rentals. JMHO.

What if that rental can give you center depth that can't be matched

If all it takes is a 1st many team teams beat that!

of course it will take more than that but the idea they can't trade for him because they don't have the picks is wrong they have their most valuable pick

 

[I am Canadian]

Knies is not being traded for a rental. Please find me trades in the past with prospects as highly rated being traded for a rental

 

[Gary Nylund]

What if that rental can give you center depth that can't be matched

There is no prize for that.

Winning the cup is the only goal, and what I would keep in mind when deciding what we might be willing to give up for him, is that adding ROR might improve those chances by 1%, maybe 2 at best.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

There is no prize for that.

Winning the cup is the only goal, and what I would keep in mind when deciding what we might be willing to give up for him, is that adding ROR might improve those chances by 1%, maybe 2 at best.

If that's the logic you are using then don't trade for anybody ever because there isn't a single trade that you can make that will guarantee a cup, it can't be done.

But if got Matthews, Tavares, ROR and Kampf as your center core you have a Selke winner as your 3C You got a hell of an advantage because that 3rd line center can score with the other teams top center and he's a Selke winner so he can shut them down.

ROR is EXACTLY what the Leafs need.

 

[Gary Nylund]

If that's the logic you are using then don't trade for anybody ever because there isn't a single trade that you can make that will guarantee a cup, it can't be done.

But if got Matthews, Tavares, ROR and Kampf as your center core you have a Selke winner as your 3C You got a hell of an advantage because that 3rd line center can score with the other teams top center and he's a Selke winner so he can shut them down.

ROR is EXACTLY what the Leafs need.

Not sure why you're quoting me here - I never said either of those things.

 

[Pebble live]

ROR is EXACTLY what the Leafs need the man is a Selke winner you can match him against a teams top center

and then Matthews and Tavares can take on the 2nd and 3rd lines, matchups they would win

and then assuming your goaltending doesn't fall apart you win the series because ROR is your 3rd line center and teams can't match that.

lol this take tho

 

[JTK1967]

As a Leafs fan, I'd love ROR.

I dont know if he plays 2LW, or 3C. Either way, he 100% improves your team.

But I don't know if the ROR we love is the ROR we are going to get. I could see him wanting to go back to Colorado, who is more in need of a 2C and may be willing to pay more.