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Value of: ROR to the Leafs at the deadline.

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NMacrules said:
What's ridiculous is you trying to sound superior, but fact is, you clearly don't know the player. Knies is a good player. Have a cookie....
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ROR is worth a 1st rounder and a 2nd or B prospect At the TDL on the low end.

You have the Blues paying what will likely be a pick in the top 40 and ROR for him. So Knies is worth a first and 2 2nds. Forget that….. that is terrible value.

I mean you could say Knies and a 2nd for ROR. But your initial value is way way off.
 
NMacrules said:
Ror was a leaf fan growing up. Not sure if he would want to come home to play.

Some defensive pieces are off the table. Sandin and Lilly aren't going anywhere. Dubas won't want to mess with the chemistry they have created together.

Knies is NHL ready and will be in the show next season for sure. Forward, Good size, shot and skill. Great attitude.

To St Louis:
Knies and a 4th.

To Toronto:
ROR and a 3rd or late 2nd.

Before people start freaking out, Knies is full of top 6 potential and possibly a star in the making.

Thats a fairly even trade.
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Lol that's awful. Knies and a 1st for O'Reilly 50% retention
 
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NMacrules said:
What's ridiculous is you trying to sound superior, but fact is, you clearly don't know the player. Knies is a good player. Have a cookie....
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Superior? My apologies for not agreeing by a large margin of your evaluation of either ROR or Knies. Not sure where the discrepancy lies.

Knies is a good prospect, could be a very good NHLer in the near future. There’s nothing to suggest that he’s a blue chip or perennial future all star.

Rentals of RORs caliber generally garner a 1st a decent to good prospect and a secondary pick dependent on the prospect.

Having the blues trade a higher end 3rd for a back end 4th to swap ROR for Knies is ridiculous.

There will be many suitors for ROR if he’s available, as I’m sure many teams would love to add Knies to their prospect pool. But I’d venture to guess there’s not a team out there that would trade a first for Knies and add significantly on top of it currently in regards to where he is in his career.

Quick edit as I failed to mention the retention on ROR that would almost need to be involved. The retention on him is fairly low in terms of real dollars. But nonetheless it ties a retention slot and is something. Id venture to guess that retention on him wouldn’t really cost any more than a normal trade for him given the low actual dollars. But it’s not nothing.
 
NMacrules said:
What's ridiculous is you trying to sound superior, but fact is, you clearly don't know the player. Knies is a good player. Have a cookie....
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Most of the big time Blues fans who follow our prospects know who Knies is. He plays on a line with our 1st round pick from this year, Jimmy Snuggerud. If we are following Snuggy, we are following Knies and Cooley. Knies has been a common target on our board when discussing potentially trades. We all like him as a prospect, especially with his chemistry with Snuggerud. But we aren't losing a pick swap to get him for RoR. Another team will bid that price up or out.
 
jjniner said:
ROR wins faceoffs
ROR kills penalties
ROR shuts down other teams top lines(see Colorado last year)
ROR scores big goals at important times
ROR is built for playoff hockey!

The Toronto fan who says they are fine and says they need nobody messing with the locker room sterio!
This guy would be your band leader in the
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False. The stereo bit was a jab at dion. You clearly aren't versed in the lore of our team. ROR very well may do all fhat, he's not doing it here with his issues. I'm not getting into them in a public fourm. So again, fail post brah!!!!
 
NMacrules said:
Ror was a leaf fan growing up. Not sure if he would want to come home to play.

Some defensive pieces are off the table. Sandin and Lilly aren't going anywhere. Dubas won't want to mess with the chemistry they have created together.

Knies is NHL ready and will be in the show next season for sure. Forward, Good size, shot and skill. Great attitude.

To St Louis:
Knies and a 4th.

To Toronto:
ROR and a 3rd or late 2nd.

Before people start freaking out, Knies is full of top 6 potential and possibly a star in the making.

Thats a fairly even trade.
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actually it's not. We aren't interested. Send him out.West or to Boston or something. DO NOT WANT!!!!
 
Mike Liut said:
It will take Kneiss and a 1st for ROR. Not quite as much for tarasenko.
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I would imagine Knies is off the board for rentals. Especially seeing as he is likely to contribute to the team this season. 1st, any other prospect not named Knies and some mid round pick to make up the difference. Likely Kerfoot having to go to match salaries as well.
 
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I think it's silly to imply that Knies is worth more than ROR in a proposal where the Blues are sending a better pick to the Leafs to offset that value, but it's 100% reasonable to just say that Knies won't be moved for rentals. I personally don't see him being moved, but Blues fans would certainly like him, and remain linemates with Snuggerud.
 
Hockey 4 Life said:
The most I'd pay for ROR would be 2023 1st Robertson 2024 2nd. If we could extend him for 4 years at no more then 6 million.
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I'm not that interested in Robertson as he's undersized, plays a style of game that 'might' not translate well in the NHL and is currently long term injured. I do think that the value is there though. How about Fraser Minten instead of Robertson?
 
peconcan said:
Robertson+Niemela+2023 1st for ROR 50% retained
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I've written in the post above you why the Blues shouldn't want Robertson. It almost feels like you guys want to get rid of him as he's in almost every proposal? Is his injury that bad?

Majtopici said:
Niemela is Toronto's only good RD prospect so i would rather kerfoot plus 2024 2nd
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Kerfoot has negative value for the Blues. I don't mind taking (and flipping) him if it helps the Leafs with the cap, but we're not paying assets for him, on the contrary.
 
TheDoldrums said:
I just don't see Knies being moved for anyone realistic. He might as well have been created in a lab as the perfect prospect for the Leafs current needs. A LW power forward is exactly what they need to compliment their top 6 and it would be foolish to deal Knies when he could be that answer.
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He has more value to Toronto than anyone else right now, not only is his playstyle and position a perfect fit but 3 ELC years matters way more to us than it does to a rebuilding/retooling team.
 
Giving away knies is bad idea he actually could be pretty important in the playoffs
Beauterham said:
I've written in the post above you why the Blues shouldn't want Robertson. It almost feels like you guys want to get rid of him as he's in almost every proposal? Is his injury that bad?


Kerfoot has negative value for the Blues. I don't mind taking (and flipping) him if it helps the Leafs with the cap, but we're not paying assets for him, on the contrary.
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I didn't meant it like kerfoot is asset he is just cap and contract dump
 
Beauterham said:
I've written in the post above you why the Blues shouldn't want Robertson. It almost feels like you guys want to get rid of him as he's in almost every proposal? Is his injury that bad?


Kerfoot has negative value for the Blues. I don't mind taking (and flipping) him if it helps the Leafs with the cap, but we're not paying assets for him, on the contrary.
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Well we don't wanna give up Knies and Robertson is 2nd best prospect and he is not untouchable unlike Knies
 
Majtopici said:
Well we don't wanna give up Knies and Robertson is 2nd best prospect and he is not untouchable unlike Knies
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I understand and agree you guys not wanting to give up Knies, as another poster mentioned above, we wouldn't part with Snuggerud in a similar situation aswell. However a decently good prospect (Voit/Minten/Niemela) needs to be included in the trade (if we're trading ROR @50% and / or it's a trade and sign). Robertson isn't appealing at all ATM.
 
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Beauterham said:
I understand and agree you guys not wanting to give up Knies, as another poster mentioned above, we wouldn't part with Snuggerud in a similar situation aswell. However a decently good prospect (Voit/Minten/Niemela) needs to be included in the trade (if we're trading ROR @50% and / or it's a trade and sign). Robertson isn't appealing at all ATM.
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I think Knies is the issue for most of us, if voit, or Minten is acceptable I think we could deal with that
 
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