You're missing the point. Callahan does other things that helps his team WIN games. MSL is useless if he isn't scoring.
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You're missing the point. Callahan does other things that helps his team WIN games. MSL is useless if he isn't scoring.
No, I said we might have gotten fleeced earlier in the thread.
And if St. Louis was producing like St. Louis, you're comparing an 85 point player to a 45 point player. Not exactly a 10-15 point turn around over a full season.
Even with Callahan playing better right now, he is going to finish up with his career averages, which is about 30-40 points lower than St. Louis career average, and he is still pretty far behind on THIS season.
I get it. It sucks that St. Louis isn't producing. But you can't use a 13 game sample to validate that Callahan was better. Especially when Callahan was playing like crap for the better part of this season. This is one of Callahan's most productive points of the year. Who is to say he would have started producing more in New York? Not the 50+ games he played here with us this season. Or the season before that.
Callahan is a 20-25g 40-50 point player. That's it. And he wanted $6-7M with a NMC.
We had to trade him. And we got what would have been a BIG upgrade offensively if St. Louis panned out (and he still has the potential to, all will be forgiven if he shows up in the post season).
The reason we were fleeced was the draft picks. That's going to come back to us.
I just don't think this recent stretch is indicative of St. Louis's ability as an athlete. Nor do I think Lundqvist is a bush league goaltender when he lets up a bad goal. Elite players have bad stretches.
SA16
Sixstring
So with TB he was a young 38 this year but then on the flight to NY he instantly aged and became old and couldn't play anymore? Your logic makes no sense here. If he was bad because he is old now it would have manifested itself throughout the whole season. It would not show as him being a top 5 point scorer all year and then just losing all ability instantly.
Hank...I hope you cry yourself to sleep tonight...same with you MSL... but Nash... I hope after this season you never put on the blue shirt again
Petey Pucks
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who is laughing in the rangers locker room during lundqvist's postgame?.....hope it wasn't the players
Agreed.
That said, for as much as he made us win, we won five in a row without him and we are playing some of our best hockey without him. Not exactly like Callahan was winning us games here. He was genuinely pretty poor this season. In terms of intangibles and actual production.
I couldn't agree more. I've been shocked at the support and defense of this deal.
That made me lol, but I thought he had a solid game. I also thought he got us a late penalty when I saw the refs arm go up and I was in a total state of shock that wasn't an interference call. But then I thought the same thing when Diaz got his stick hacked in half and Nash got hit from behind early in the game, both 10 feet from the ref, so what do I know?
slipknottin
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That's what aging does. It comes fast and hits hard. Even if it didn't happen yet, to deny that it will happen soon is plain ridiculous.
This is Msl at his "prime" right now for the rangers in these games. He isn't going to get younger. If he is playing terribly now, do we really believe that he will get better once he gets even older?
That this place has some fantasy he's an 80 point player next year at age 40 is just delusional.
Machinehead
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Well obviously Callahan at 7 isn't a good thing, that's not what I'm saying. But at least he did score once in awhile. Anything is better than this. Keeping Richards would be better, he scored tonight.
SA16
Sixstring
Going to provide some evidence supporting this statement or just blindly state it as fact?
slipknottin
Registered User
Yeah, I guess MSL has made McDonagh and Boyle improve offensively.
Callahan gives his all every shift. Nash and Richards make way more and try way less. I'd rather pay a guy who gives his all. ****, Boyle is worth more than MSL at this point.
Everyone getting on MSL? He got here at the deadline and was adjusting to the environment system etc.and then he got into a slump...how about the guy we gave up two good players for? Our goal scoring power forward...what happen to him? He's been way worse than MSL
It's interesting people are comparing Callahan to MSL and that Callahan has never scored as many points as Cally. MSL is a power top-line elite forward, Callahan is a 2nd line shut down, 2-way forward. I feel some people have lost the concept of two-way hockey. No one expected Cally or expects him to hit over 60 points in a season. He is going to give you around 50 points in a season, with around 20 to 25 goals, while playing both sides of the ice.
AV did not play Callahan correctly. When he got back from his injury he lost his job on the PP for around 20 games, was starved of points. Rangers PP has become ice cold, while Tampa's has become red hot, and it is not just because of Stamkos, but Cally is a big part of it, this said by head coach John Cooper. He literally carried Tampa on his shoulders to get the game into OT, where they then won in a SO. That is the Callahan everyone here loved, and he has plenty of more seasons to give, sadly it won't be with the Rangers.
slipknottin
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tell that to Ryan Callahan
8 points in the last 10 games. 4 goals with that.
Honestly, I couldn't disagree more regarding this.
Callahan did not give it his all every shift. Especially this season. I didn't see the intangibles you saw this season. There was at least a dozen games in the first half of this season that the team gave up on Callahan's watch, and Callahan did little to spark the team or make the extra effort. He was part of the issue in those apathetic games in the first 40 games of the season.
Callahan was not the "heart and soul" captain this season. I don't know how anyone objectively didn't see that.
That's why this was far and away the worst season for Callahan as a Ranger. He wasn't the same heart and soul player, and he wasn't producing. Factor in that he is routinely injured, and it was a recipe for disaster this year.
Callahan of the past, I'd agree. But we didn't see that Callahan this season.
SA16
Sixstring
And almost all of the ones that are are extremely good which is why they are still in the league.
So games like Colorado, or go back earlier to games against the Blues, both Washington games, The Pittsburgh game where he scored a goal or saved a goal by hustling. Please! Tell Tampa fans this and see what they have to say.
He was not producing? AV took him off the friggin PP. how can he produce just 5 on 5? Take everyone's PP points in the league and see where they stand.
slipknottin
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How many? Out of how many good hockey players?
You telling me good players never age? Is this a fantasy you live in?
38 is pushing it. There is a cliff there somewhere and he is dangerously close to it. Can debate all we want on where exactly it is, but it's there and it's going to happen
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