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New Liskeard said:
Would be great, if that came to fruition. Question is, what would be a a perceived fair deal for both sides? 7.5 x 8, 8 x 8.
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  1. 8M+ x 8 years -> No NTC/NMC
  2. 8 x 8 -> limited NTC (5 team list cannot be traded to)
  3. 7 x 8 -> limited NTC (10 team list cannot be traded to)
  4. 6.5 x 8 -> limited NTC (20 team list cannot be traded to)
  5. 6.5 x 7 -> limited NTC (25 team list cannot be traded to)
  6. 6.5 x 6 -> full NMC/NTC
  7. 6 x 8 -> full NMC/NTC

btw personally I would do full NMC/NTC for any contract listed above from 4 to 7
 
Maple Leafs look to move forward after another playoff disappointment - TSN.ca

RIELLY'S FUTURE

Hyman's contract status was a topic of conversation last season before he signed with the Edmonton Oilers in unrestricted free agency this summer. Heading into the final year of his contract and eligible to become a UFA in July, Rielly has made it clear he doesn't plan on talking about negotiations in 2021-22. "I think you all know how I feel about being a Leaf," he said. "But there is a business aspect to it."
 
hockeywiz542 said:
Maple Leafs look to move forward after another playoff disappointment - TSN.ca

RIELLY'S FUTURE

Hyman's contract status was a topic of conversation last season before he signed with the Edmonton Oilers in unrestricted free agency this summer. Heading into the final year of his contract and eligible to become a UFA in July, Rielly has made it clear he doesn't plan on talking about negotiations in 2021-22. "I think you all know how I feel about being a Leaf," he said. "But there is a business aspect to it."
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That's actually a strange re-purposing of an old quote that never said what this article is trying to make it say.
 
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hockeywiz542 said:
Maple Leafs look to move forward after another playoff disappointment - TSN.ca

RIELLY'S FUTURE

Hyman's contract status was a topic of conversation last season before he signed with the Edmonton Oilers in unrestricted free agency this summer. Heading into the final year of his contract and eligible to become a UFA in July, Rielly has made it clear he doesn't plan on talking about negotiations in 2021-22. "I think you all know how I feel about being a Leaf," he said. "But there is a business aspect to it."
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That means he won’t address it with reporters. He said he isn’t closing door on signing In year
 
diceman934 said:
Lol chronic. How many games has he missed with this issue
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Some of the same people objecting to a NMC are the same ones who moan that the leafs cant sign deals like Tampa. The lightning have 7 players with NMC/NTC (not including Point whose NMC kicks in in 2 years) and 4 with MNMC.
 
Legion34 said:
Any word on number? Or years
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No but Rielly wanted 8 year deal and Leafs wanted no change to NMC in current deal and later years on in new deal .. my gut says 7-7.25M AAV with no NMC this season and no NMC for last 3 years of new 8 yer deal .. but that is my guess .. both sides will say it is a fair deal .. to me we have to get something done as Rielly can't be another JVR or Hyman .. it makes zero sense to have Rielly as rental
 
JT AM da real deal said:
No but Rielly wanted 8 year deal and Leafs wanted no change to NMC in current deal and later years on in new deal .. my gut says 7-7.25M AAV with no NMC this season and no NMC for last 3 years of new 8 yer deal .. but that is my guess .. both sides will say it is a fair deal .. to me we have to get something done as Rielly can't be another JVR or Hyman .. it makes zero sense to have Rielly as rental
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He's already signed for this season. Any NMC can only be part of the new contract.
 
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Sundinisagod said:
Are you sure about that? I think I read somewhere on HF that you can add one to the last year of a current contract when signing an extension. Possibly Cary Price got this. Though I can’t recall specifically if it was NMC or NTC.
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I had thought that’s how it worked but I could be wrong. I guess it makes sense that you could add when extending to protect the player from a sign and trade without their consent.
 
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Sundinisagod said:
Are you sure about that? I think I read somewhere on HF that you can add one to the last year of a current contract when signing an extension. Possibly Cary Price got this. Though I can’t recall specifically if it was NMC or NTC.
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A No-Trade Clause (NTC) can be added to a player's contract in the years after they are eligible for Group 3 Unrestricted Free Agency (7 Accrued seasons or 27 years of age), and has the following properties:
  • Player cannot be traded without his consent
  • Consent is not required to be placed on waivers
  • Consent is not required for assignment to the minors
  • Player is not exempt from a buyout or contract termination
  • The clause can travel with the player even if he consents to being traded or is claimed on waivers
    • This requires that the acquiring team sign an addendum to the contract ensuring that the clause does in fact travel with the player (written by the player's agent)
    • If the acquiring team refuses to sign the addendum, and the player waives his clause anyway, at that point the clause may be nullified
  • If the player is traded before the clause takes effect, the acquiring team can opt to void the clause
 
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29Potvin said:
A No-Trade Clause (NTC) can be added to a player's contract in the years after they are eligible for Group 3 Unrestricted Free Agency (7 Accrued seasons or 27 years of age), and has the following properties:
  • Player cannot be traded without his consent
  • Consent is not required to be placed on waivers
  • Consent is not required for assignment to the minors
  • Player is not exempt from a buyout or contract termination
  • The clause can travel with the player even if he consents to being traded or is claimed on waivers
    • This requires that the acquiring team sign an addendum to the contract ensuring that the clause does in fact travel with the player (written by the player's agent)
    • If the acquiring team refuses to sign the addendum, and the player waives his clause anyway, at that point the clause may be nullified
  • If the player is traded before the clause takes effect, the acquiring team can opt to void the clause
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Thank you Felix!
 
Mo looked great in game 1 after a nice preseason, and a nice playoffs before that.

He's been a bit shaky during these last two asterisk covid seasons, with some injuries mixed jn, so hopefully he's back on track being a legit #1D again.
 
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Friedman says Bruins closing in on an 8 year deal with McAvoy for more money than Werenski got.

Not liking our odds to sign 44.
 
Mo had an excellent game last night .. i hope he plays like that all season long .. sometimes a guy in his contract year who is driven can out perform plus he wants to make Team Canada .. every game he plays like that da price goes up and up and Dubie has a bigger issue every day .. don't get too tied up in details Dubie
 
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Friedman says Bruins closing in on an 8 year deal with McAvoy for more money than Werenski got.

Not liking our odds to sign 44.
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McAvoy deserves more money than any of the Dmen signed this offseason, tbh.

Kid is awesome. Only thing that makes him fly under the radar is that the Bruins have yet to give him much PP time.
 
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There's a really big gap between Rielly's comparables right now...

Group 1:
- Werenski 9.583m X6 (extension) (25-30)
- Jones 9.5m X8 (extension) (28-35)
- Nurse 9.25m X8 (extension) (27-34)
- Josi 9.059m X8 (extension) (30-37)
- Makar 9m X6 (extension) (22-27)
- Hamilton 9m X7 (Free Agent) (28-34)
- Pietrangelo 8.8m X7 (Free Agent) (30-36)
- Heiskanen 8.45m X8 (extension) (22-29)

Group 2:
- Parayko 6.5m X8 (extension) (29-36)
- Krug 6.5m X7 (Free Agent) (29-35)
- Ekholm 6.25m X4 (extension) (32-35)
- Petry 6.25m X4 (extension) (33-36)
- Pulock <6m X8 (extension) (27-34)
- Pionk 5.875m X4 (extension) (26-29)
- Pelech 5.75m X8 (extension) (27-34)

Some of these guys could have made a lot more if they went fishing for money.

On Rielly's own team, there's Muzzin @5.875m & Brodie @5m. He is their #1D but he's not a few million better than Muzz & Brodie.

Back in 2018 Ryan Ellis had similar numbers to Rielly; he signed 6.25m X8 (28-35). Ellis definitely took a 'hometown discount' but that is a very fair comparable, just not recent enough.

If you take Rielly's last 2 seasons & Ellis' 2 seasons prior to his extension:
Rielly: 102-8-54-62 (0.61pts/gp) (23:54 per gp)
Ellis: 115-25-45-70 (0.61pts/gp) (23:44 per gp)

Ellis at the time, was also a bigger factor on the penalty kill, & in the playoffs; he had just come off a cup final run with the Preds. He however was not a #1 on his own team. Rielly also has a Norris candidate year under his belt as well (2018-2019), Ellis does not.

Rielly is definitely closer to the bottom group (group 2) than the top group (group 1). Also seems to be a bit of a biased though towards offensive dmen getting paid.
 
123offtheglass said:
There's a really big gap between Rielly's comparables right now...

Group 1:
- Werenski 9.583m X6 (extension) (25-30)
- Jones 9.5m X8 (extension) (28-35)
- Nurse 9.25m X8 (extension) (27-34)
- Josi 9.059m X8 (extension) (30-37)
- Makar 9m X6 (extension) (22-27)
- Hamilton 9m X7 (Free Agent) (28-34)
- Pietrangelo 8.8m X7 (Free Agent) (30-36)
- Heiskanen 8.45m X8 (extension) (22-29)

Group 2:
- Parayko 6.5m X8 (extension) (29-36)
- Krug 6.5m X7 (Free Agent) (29-35)
- Ekholm 6.25m X4 (extension) (32-35)
- Petry 6.25m X4 (extension) (33-36)
- Pulock <6m X8 (extension) (27-34)
- Pionk 5.875m X4 (extension) (26-29)
- Pelech 5.75m X8 (extension) (27-34)

Some of these guys could have made a lot more if they went fishing for money.

On Rielly's own team, there's Muzzin @5.875m & Brodie @5m. He is their #1D but he's not a few million better than Muzz & Brodie.

Back in 2018 Ryan Ellis had similar numbers to Rielly; he signed 6.25m X8 (28-35). Ellis definitely took a 'hometown discount' but that is a very fair comparable, just not recent enough.

If you take Rielly's last 2 seasons & Ellis' 2 seasons prior to his extension:
Rielly: 102-8-54-62 (0.61pts/gp) (23:54 per gp)
Ellis: 115-25-45-70 (0.61pts/gp) (23:44 per gp)

Ellis at the time, was also a bigger factor on the penalty kill, & in the playoffs; he had just come off a cup final run with the Preds. He however was not a #1 on his own team. Rielly also has a Norris candidate year under his belt as well (2018-2019), Ellis does not.

Rielly is definitely closer to the bottom group (group 2) than the top group (group 1). Also seems to be a bit of a biased though towards offensive dmen getting paid.
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Lol Ellis is vastly inferior. Rielly played ahead of him on the world championship team. Reilly is better then all of Group 2 and he is worth 8.5 to 9.5 per year but will take a discount. $6.75 is off the table now.
 
diceman934 said:
Lol Ellis is vastly inferior. Rielly played ahead of him on the world championship team. Reilly is better then all of Group 2 and he is worth 8.5 to 9.5 per year but will take a discount. $6.75 is off the table now.
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Rielly played ahead of him? Ellis is a RHD.
 
I’m glad Rielly is on this team. He is a game changer and plays with his heart and his head.

I believe this is the only place he wants to win and will sign a long term deal at a fair price.

NMC/NTC means nothing because he isn’t going anywhere before he’s 35.

Go Leafs Go!
 
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