Rielly Discussion Thread

[hamzarocks]

We've made your excuses and applied your solution every year since we started with Reilly and every year guys like you scape goat the players around him for his glaring failures as a D man , enough with the gobbling already it's time to move on to the D formula that works .

Rielly is a poor Mans Kris Letang. Have similar gifted physical traits and excellent skating with similar tendencies for bone headed defensive plays at times. Both are elite puck movers and transition the puck incredibly

Letang is a 3x cup winner (though he played in 2 of them) and 4 time finalist. He's also still a top 5 d-men in the game

Rielly is around 18-25th best d-men but is comfortably a 1D and our best defenseman. The issue for us is our forwards fail to convert the chances he creates in the playoffs and this has been a constant them these last 3 years


Letang was excellent and his core forwards in Sid, Geno, Kessel, Guentzel were all excellent in their cup runs helping him be effective and maximize his play style

 

[Antropovsky]

In order to have a winning D formula, don't you need superior defensemen? Rielly is the best we have and we need MORE, not less.

Rather keep rielly then Muzzin. Muzzin has gotten injured two playoffs in a row

 

[cannucky]

In order to have a winning D formula, don't you need superior defensemen? Rielly is the best we have and we need MORE, not less.

No you need defensmen that can play defense and in the playoffs you need defensemen that can play physical defense not wave your stick and hope to poke check .

 

[William Hylander]

Idk if you guys watched the same series but once again our D was not the issue. It wasn't the issue last year either.

The guy with initials MM was the issue both years.

If you lose Rielly our D loses considerable puck movement.

 

[Boxscore]

Idk if you guys watched the same series but once again our D was not the issue. It wasn't the issue last year either.

The guy with initials MM was the issue both years.

If you lose Rielly our D loses considerable puck movement.

I agree. the D was not "the issue" per se, but overall our D is still our weak spot. I mean, Sandin made some very costly mistakes, and the fact that Keefe felt the need to throw a puppy (with little NHL experience) on the top powerplay highlights the weakness. But, to your point, it was the lack of goalscoring that obviously cost us the series. And, yes, MM x2 were the issues.

 

[HamiltonNHL]

Rielly is around 18-25th best d-men but is comfortably a 1D

I want defensive D with a slapshot.

I'm moving on.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Idk if you guys watched the same series but once again our D was not the issue. It wasn't the issue last year either.

The guy with initials MM was the issue both years.

If you lose Rielly our D loses considerable puck movement.

Sandin, while I like him, cost us 2 games in series because he is does not have NHL speed ..

 

[ottomaddox]

Some speculation by Kyper/Maclean that Rielly is pissed off about the Sandin situation, and taking him off the PP in and around the playoffs.

 

[Superstar]

Some speculation by Kyper/Maclean that Rielly is pissed off about the Sandin situation, and taking him off the PP in and around the playoffs.

So is this another build-up to an overpayment by Dubas? Matthews not happy with Babcock, Marner not happy with Babcock...back up the Brink's truck to appease them...now Rielly not happy with Keefe...gotta coddle and overpay these guys now to keep them around...

Bad leadership and entitlement is rubbing off on everybody.

 

[ottomaddox]

So is this another build-up to an overpayment by Dubas? Matthews not happy with Babcock, Marner not happy with Babcock...back up the Brink's truck to appease them...now Rielly not happy with Keefe...gotta coddle and overpay these guys now to keep them around...

Bad leadership and entitlement is rubbing off on everybody.

No. This not Pro Wrestling.

Rielly has a good reputation as being mature and professional. Perhaps he can suck it up. This also doesn't constitute a massive raise. He might stick around. He might roll with the punches.

The latest narrative of this team is bad coaching and mismanagement. If things are quiet then we collectively go back to the cap situation.

So on the wake of a first round loss to MTL I am going with the theme of bad coaching and mismanagement.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Some speculation by Kyper/Maclean that Rielly is pissed off about the Sandin situation, and taking him off the PP in and around the playoffs.

Of course he should be pissed .. do you blame him? .. Keefer/Dubie bring in a rook D man who can't skate at NHL level yet to QB PP .. I am not a Rielly guy anymore because he has not properly developed .. but you blame Rielly for a brutal PP .. common people get serious .. issues on PP were coaching coaching and more coaching .. Muzzy should have been point shooter and that's it .. move Mitch down to goal line where he can have a better chance to score with his muffin shot and let him distribute like Gretz did .. Willy and Matty as your shooters on sides and Wayner to muck it up for screens and tips .. a blind bat could have figured it out and won

 

[ShaneFalco]

Some speculation by Kyper/Maclean that Rielly is pissed off about the Sandin situation, and taking him off the PP in and around the playoffs.

Gee, I dunno, maybe the PP sucked so badly they tried something else?
Seriously, this guy too? How about STFU and play better, earn it

These rumours - AM didn't want Kap on his line
Taking MM off the PP could be dicey
MM refusing or expressing desire to play where he wants on the PP
Giving Jumbo minutes regardless of play
Keeping Marner at 24 min despite not deserving it


No wonder we never win

 

[Boxscore]

Some speculation by Kyper/Maclean that Rielly is pissed off about the Sandin situation, and taking him off the PP in and around the playoffs.

I heard that and it was just speculation on their parts -- they specifically said that.

 

[ottomaddox]

I heard that and it was just speculation on their parts -- they specifically said that.

What else is speculation?

 

[Stephen]

If the Leafs move Rielly this summer and use that money for a forward without replacing his number one minutes, and think a Rasmus Sandin can be an interchangeable replacement, they put themselves at extreme risk. Sandin’s combination of lack of size and separation speed will make that jump from tweener to top pairing extremely difficult.

 

[Mitch Matthews]

If the Leafs move Rielly this summer and use that money for a forward without replacing his number one minutes, and think a Rasmus Sandin can be an interchangeable replacement, they put themselves at extreme risk. Sandin’s combination of lack of size and separation speed will make that jump from tweener to top pairing extremely difficult.

Sandin is not an NHL D man. Too small and too slow

 

[Gallagbi]

If the Leafs move Rielly this summer and use that money for a forward without replacing his number one minutes, and think a Rasmus Sandin can be an interchangeable replacement, they put themselves at extreme risk. Sandin’s combination of lack of size and separation speed will make that jump from tweener to top pairing extremely difficult.

They'll replace by committee if they go that route. Someone like Lilj takes his PP minutes, other D see a slight bump in their minutes to cover. It won't be Sandin = Rielly

 

[Stephen]

They'll replace by committee if they go that route. Someone like Lilj takes his PP minutes, other D see a slight bump in their minutes to cover. It won't be Sandin = Rielly

I hope that if we move Rielly out for futures we can take his cap hit along with the money saved from Andersen, Hyman and presumably Kerfoot and redistribute to a suitable top pairing defenseman and forwards. That's about $16 million for 3 position players and 1 goalie in a flat cap world. Ideally, Muzzin is the guy who goes because I'm not sure how long he can play at a high level for.

 

[Gabriel426]

Our D is not the problem.
Our scoring from our top players is the problem.
When four of the seven dressed Dman either had the same or more goals then your top two forwards in a series, something is not right.

Is Reilly a great Dman and one of the top in the league- No, but I think he is either better or just about the same level than any D men on the Islanders and Habs.

 

[Gallagbi]

I hope that if we move Rielly out for futures we can take his cap hit along with the money saved from Andersen, Hyman and presumably Kerfoot and redistribute to a suitable top pairing defenseman and forwards. That's about $16 million for 3 position players and 1 goalie in a flat cap world. Ideally, Muzzin is the guy who goes because I'm not sure how long he can play at a high level for.

I'm torn, because I think you need to give Lilj and Sandin a real look this year. Muzz and Brodie are locks with their current deals and Holl is too cheap to replace.

I'd also like to upgrade on the wings and Kerfoot (who'd be my pick for SEA)

 

[supermann_98]

Unfortunately I don't think Reilly will be here next year because Dubas won't admit his overspending on our RFA's was a HUGE mistake and will instead try to deal Reilly away to make the cap work instead of doing the obvious and trading Marner

 

[ottomaddox]

Muzz making closer to 6 than 5 Dubie dollars.

Rielly can walk if he wants 8 Dubie dollars.

Love "Dubie Dollars".

Also:

One Schrute Buck is equal to two Stanley Nickels. 400 Stanley Nickels are equal to one Extra Minute at Lunch. 10,000 Schrute Bucks are equal to one American dollar, and 20,000 Stanley Nickels are, as well.

 

[mapleleaf979]

Morgan Reilly

Strengths: Skating in all aspects, hands compliment him carrying the puck.

Weakness:
Confidence, morphs itself with confusion, unsure to shoot at the point, the PP exposes Reilly's confidence.
Hockey IQ, with confidence issues, a player freezes and doesnt use his toolbox.
Determination, easily has his will broken along the wall, doesnt have second fight, doesnt get pissed off losing battles.

No question Reilly comes across as a nice guy and that impacts how fans feel about him. To me it doesnt matter, its about getting the job done in the playoffs. I dont want Reilly back on this team.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Unfortunately I don't think Reilly will be here next year because Dubas won't admit his overspending on our RFA's was a HUGE mistake and will instead try to deal Reilly away to make the cap work instead of doing the obvious and trading Marner

The fact that he won't even entertain the idea (which I could be wrong but it looks to be the case) should lead to his dismissal

 

[supermann_98]

The fact that he won't even entertain the idea (which I could be wrong but it looks to be the case) should lead to his dismissal

It should but unless (until) they bomb out in the 1st round again he appears to be safe. Don't know why he's so against entertaining the idea considering Mitch Manure showed zero loyalty to the Leafs when it was contract signing time, nor has he shown he cares one iota once the regular season is over.

The fact that numerous young, talented, exciting players all may be available for a variety of different reasons (Tkachuk, Eichel, Seth Jones) and our GM shuns even the thought of looking into what possibilities are available makes me question his worth as a GM.

This is coming from someone who loves his drafting philosophy, the team he put together this year (on paper at least) and the go-for-it-all trades he put together at the deadline.

Instead a guy like Reilly who signed a team friendly contract (much like Kadri before him) will probably get traded because Dubas' RFA mistakes make it necessary. It's sad because Reilly probably would take another team friendly deal to stay while Mitch Manure only cares about money, and how quickly he can enjoy golfing and wakeboarding once the season ends