Player Discussion Ridly Greig (LW) 28th Overall

[GCK]

I prefer Peterka. I'm not sold Jarventie will be a fulltime NHL'er. I'm sold that Peterka will.

I feel Jarventie has a higher ceiling but Peterka’s floor is way higher. Peterka would have been the safe pick.

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

Trent Mann says Greig is now 180lbs, and it’s been a lot of hard work to get his weight up.



Probably has a crazy metabolism like Chabby.

He's getting there. But he still needs more muscle on his frame before I'd be comfortable with him playing his style of game at the NHL level.

 

[Senovision]

The O dog ( Jeff O'Neill) was on TSN's Overdrive today said he has been really impressed with Greig at the tournament. He said Mactavish, Bedard and Greig are Canada's top 3 players.
He also said that he thinks Greig is NHL ready and can see Greig going to training camp and making the Sens and playing right away. He was really high on Greig and said Ottawa has a good one in Ridley Greig.

 

[Bileur]

I like Greig and all but I think the hype train is getting out of control. The guy he reminds me of is Steve Downie who was a good and extremely annoying player but far from elite. I see Greig becoming a very good third liner and I'd be delighted if he becomes more than that but I don't expect it.

Maybe he just had his priorities out of whack and couldn’t show it but from what I remember Downie had nowhere near the passing, hands or hockey IQ.

 

[Bevans]

I like Greig and all but I think the hype train is getting out of control. The guy he reminds me of is Steve Downie who was a good and extremely annoying player but far from elite. I see Greig becoming a very good third liner and I'd be delighted if he becomes more than that but I don't expect it.

Where did you pull that comp from?

I think Fisher is a better comp. Greig is more disciplined and defensively responsible than was Downie, but still plays with a heavy edge.

 

[Larionov]

Maybe he just had his priorities out of whack and couldn’t show it but from what I remember Downie had nowhere near the passing, hands or hockey IQ.

Downie was also a cementhead, to be blunt. (Witness the whole Akim Aliu incident - I mean, who cross checks a teammate in the face at a practice?) It wouldn't take much for Grieg to be significantly smarter and more mature than Downie was...

 

[JMac13]

I think Greig's vision/passing gets severely underrated due to his style of play. The kid has serious playmaking abilities and is a fantastic skater to boot. I still worry his size is a concern to play his current game in the NHL and don't want him to get pigeon-holed into a responsible third line role. I'd let him play another full year in the AHL if it were up to me. This kid is an agitating, defensively responsible, top 6 playmaking forward if developed properly imo.

 

[Laphroaig]

Maybe he just had his priorities out of whack and couldn’t show it but from what I remember Downie had nowhere near the passing, hands or hockey IQ.

Downie had 145 points in 80 games over his last two junior seasons. Like Greig he also excelled at the World Juniors while playing on the edge.

 

[Bevans]

Downie had 145 points in 80 games over his last two junior seasons. Like Greig he also excelled at the World Juniors while playing on the edge.

Sure but we need more than "good at CHL and hitting" to form an accurate comp.

This is like comparing Gordon Ramsey to Jeffery Dahmer because they both like to cook.

 

[Micklebot]

Sure but we need more than "good at CHL and hitting" to form an accurate comp.

This is like comparing Gordon Ramsey to Jeffery Dahmer because they both like to cook.

I think good prospects that fizzled out due to factors beyond just on ice performance get unfairly criticised sometimes. Downie had a 22 g and 46 pts season in his first full year, I don't think his skill set was ever really a question mark.

Is he a great comp for Greig, well he's not the Comp I'd go to, but I do think he was a better prospect than he's getting credit for if you can get past the between the ears stuff.

 

[Bevans]

I think good prospects that fizzled out due to factors beyond just on ice performance get unfairly criticised sometimes. Downie had a 22 g and 46 pts season in his first full year, I don't think his skill set was ever really a question mark.

Is he a great comp for Greig, well he's not the Comp I'd go to, but I do think he was a better prospect than he's getting credit for if you can get past the between the ears stuff.

I didn't say anything about him being a bad prospect or nhl player. I just said he's a bad comp for Greig.

 

[Micklebot]

I didn't say anything about him being a bad prospect or nhl player. I just said he's a bad comp for Greig.

You used a dahlmer to Ramsey analogy, I think it's pretty fair to expect people to infer not good when you do that.

Both guys played on the edge, both guys were more skilled than given credit for, smaller guys that compete very hard, both were pretty complete players at lower levels getting put into all situations by their coaches, both needed to rain things in a bit to avoid penalty troubles, there's some similarities there, unlike your analogy.

 

[Bevans]

You used a dahlmer to Ramsey analogy, I think it's pretty fair to expect people to infer not good when you do that.

Both guys played on the edge, both guys were more skilled than given credit for, smaller guys that compete very hard, both were pretty complete players at lower levels getting put into all situations by their coaches, both needed to rain things in a bit to avoid penalty troubles, there's some similarities there, unlike your analogy.

Disagree but that's par for the course.

Read into my analogy what you will and conflate good vs evil with talented vs not talented if you wish.

 

[BondraTime]

Downie to Greig is a pretty apt comparison IMO.

I think Grieg will have the better career, and he doesn't have the off ice baggage Downie came with, but they are similar players on the ice with regards to play style and talent, through different positions.

 

[Micklebot]

Disagree but that's par for the course.

Read into my analogy what you will and conflate good vs evil with talented vs not talented if you wish.

So you're saying Dalmer was a professional level cook but used evil ingredients? I really don't understand what exactly you were getting at with the analogy for then,

Let's approach this from another angle, what aspects of Downie's game is it that you feel are substantially different than Greig's, because you seem to have implied there was nothing similar aside from CHL production and hits, which I think is categorically wrong.

 

[DueDiligence]

I feel Jarventie has a higher ceiling but Peterka’s floor is way higher. Peterka would have been the safe pick.

Ottawa has had a history of safe picks. You need to reach once in a while.

 

[playasRus]

You used a dahlmer to Ramsey analogy, I think it's pretty fair to expect people to infer not good when you do that.

Both guys played on the edge, both guys were more skilled than given credit for, smaller guys that compete very hard, both were pretty complete players at lower levels getting put into all situations by their coaches, both needed to rain things in a bit to avoid penalty troubles, there's some similarities there, unlike your analogy.

Too many posters take it personally if you don't compare prospects to top line players.

 

[branch]

He will for sure be on the opening night roster. Formenton's spot will be perfect for him to produce right away.

 

[Micklebot]

He will for sure be on the opening night roster. Formenton's spot will be perfect for him to produce right away.

Well, he'll be serving a suspension if he does...

 

[YouGotAStuGoing]

Well, he'll be serving a suspension if he does...

He'll be the first Sens player in franchise history to score a goal from the press box. Bank on it!

 

[bert]

Maybe he just had his priorities out of whack and couldn’t show it but from what I remember Downie had nowhere near the passing, hands or hockey IQ.

I think Downie had a great hockey IQ. His finishing was good too. I do think people are getting a little outta control with Grieg here. Projects to be a good player but he has a long way to go. He needs to get stronger and faster still. He needs to have better situational awareness. If developed properly I can see a Darcy Tucker level of player which is really really good. But he needs time in the AHL. He needs to 'be the guy' in pro and get a bunch of first PP reps. He comes up to the NHL and he will probably never get them and will be a bottom 6 guy.

Downie was also a cementhead, to be blunt. (Witness the whole Akim Aliu incident - I mean, who cross checks a teammate in the face at a practice?) It wouldn't take much for Grieg to be significantly smarter and more mature than Downie was...

Have you ever looked into what happend to Steve Downie as a teeanager and the death of his father. No one is normal after that. He was a lunatic but I mean I dont think anyone else wouldnt have been either.

Akim Aliu...... if people only really knew how that guy acted. Wouldnt have mattered what race/religion he was. I dont condone hazing but if you are a rookie you arent above the other rookies in duties either. Like picking up pucks etc. He seemed to think so though.

 

[coladin]

I think their dads were good friends from being part of the critical Ottawa Senators father's draft of 1990. Both taken by Hartford and stayed close over there years.

This. And I believe they would holiday and see each other all the time growin gup, so probably tighter than thr Norris/Tkachuk lnik. Clearly was something by design from Sens scouts and Dorion

I remember the entire board here wanted Peterka. It was a no-brainer really.

It was...but as tight as Sanderson and Greig are, my concern was Peterka being drafted to play with Tim. It is goo now, I guess, to see Peterka isn't just another Warren Young, but I would have been concerned drafting Peterka

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

Lol, Greig has better hands and vision than Downie ever had. Also, Downie never had the two way prowess of Greig. Greig is used as a 2 way specialist who can score against opposition's best. Downie was a guy who was physically mature at younger age and played with insane edge.

I can see Greig's average years be similar to Downie's career year, but that's where similarities stop.

 

[GCK]

Ottawa has had a history of safe picks. You need to reach once in a while.

That was what I was implying

 

[Sun God Nika]

Mann said he is at 180 lbs if this kid gets to 190 he is going to be insane