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I want to keep him, he brings far more to our team than he's going to retrieve for us via trade. Thought he and Zibanejad were our best forwards this playoff, along with Lindberg/Fast/Grabner.
 
nyrleetch said:
Assuming he's not traded. What are your thoughts on re-signing him? Feel like fair market value would be around 4.5 mil.
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That sounds about right to me. If they can't find a suitable deal for Nash, I wouldn't hate bringing him back on a short team deal at that kind of salary.
 
McRanger said:
I am curious about one thing though. You seem to have two almost paradoxical views on Nash. In one he is our offensive leader and any time he doesn't score he is letting the team down and even 2-3 games without scoring is an unacceptable dry spell. In the other he is a mid-6 forward whose best days are behind him, really shouldn't be counted on for much, and wont fetch much in a trade. I realize both views fit your different arguments, but I am curious how you reconcile them. They seem like 2 arguments from 2 different people, with the only connection being both people dislike Nash.
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Fair points. Will try to explain.

I do regard that Nash is out offensive leader. He was traded for a fortune, he makes a fortune, he has skills that none of our other players possess (as a whole). It is not so much that I believe that he is letting the team down any time he does not score a goal. I have always said that he is a good to very good regular season player who scores goals in bunches. However, unfortunately his output has been of a mid-6 forward. That is what he IS, despite the fact that he was brought here to be top dog.

So I guess the next question will be how can he be the offensive leader if he is a good second line player? To which the answer is that is where the gap here is. What we have is purportedly our top dog playing the role of the little engine that could. Our biggest player who gets smaller and smaller with each game that mounts more pressure.
 
he was very good at times this season and also, like usual, invisible and unproductive for long stretches.

i will say this, his skating was better in the playoffs as was his quickness and ability to create space.

he was mostly effective and, at times, seemed years younger to me.

the best thing for him was that other forwards were much worse taking the spotlight off of him. maybe thats why i think he looked better ?

time to move on from nick rash.

thanks rick.
 
Thordic said:
If we don't trade Nash next year, do you resign him if he takes a fair contract? Or if he wants to come back as a UFA after he gets traded.

I do. I think he's one of those guys who will still be useful later in his career for his defensive work alone, and will chip in goals. 36 year old Nash would still be a solid 3rd liner at worst, IMO.
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Like him, dislike him......doesn't really matter.
Support him, don't support him......doesn't really matter.
Solid regular season guy, playoff bust (for the most part)......in the past.

We don't wish to NOT be in position to make PO's come deadline......in order to trade him at deadline......right?
Going on record that I would NOT trade him, UNLESS a 1st rounder is offered.
Even if the offer is 2, 2nd rounders.......no guarantees there.

Come next season, do we bring him back for 5mil X 3yrs? I would, won't find any more of a solid 3rd line player in the league......a bit pricey though, even at 5mil.

Possibly playing on a 3rd line vs 3rd line in PO's, gets him those much needed PO goals. Talking 2018 here.
 
Rick is still a very good player to have in the lineup, if the rangers can resign him for another 3 years in the low $4m range he can still contribute at that number. But with all of the younger players needing longer deals and likely hood he can get $5-6m on the open market, depending on is production, it makes sense to move him at the deadline regardless of where the rangers sit in the standings.
 
I probably would be okay bringing Nash back next season but on 2 conditions.

1. We pay him on an average of his actual points in his last 2 or 3 seasons. Not points per game. Not points per 60. Not points per what we hope but his actual points. This should go for all our veteran players not just Nash.

2. Since he will be 34 next contract time I would only do 1-2 guaranteed years at a time.
 
We also need to see how much cap space we've got. A lot of Nash's money will be going to Miller, Hayes, Vesey and Skjei's new contracts.
 
This should be Nash's last year. Should've been much sooner if he had value worth a **** last offseason.
 
NickyFotiu said:
I probably would be okay bringing Nash back next season but on 2 conditions.

1. We pay him on an average of his actual points in his last 2 or 3 seasons. Not points per game. Not points per 60. Not points per what we hope but his actual points. This should go for all our veteran players not just Nash.

2. Since he will be 34 next contract time I would only do 1-2 guaranteed years at a time.
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There are many who want Nash to stay as a Ranger for sure, but I`m worried about his contract. Will Rick himself accept a salary loss and question like that compare to his current contract and the open market value?

I would really enjoy to have Nash on our 3rd line in the next 4 years - he is a high profile player and well known in NHL, but we can`t sign him for 5 mil + next year if our plan is to use him on our 3rd line.
 
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This guy is terrible , most of the time you don't even know he playing ... takes so many shifts off ... looks so slow , you guys are crazy to sign him
 
Yeah Nash is trash, he's lazy, doesn't hustle, takes shifts/games off, doesn't play defense and has no two way game. The Rangers should just straight up cut him as he has no value whatsoever.

I am in total agreement with the smart, brilliant, intelligent Rangers fans who think this.
 
NYR2007 said:
This guy is terrible , most of the time you don't even know he playing ... takes so many shifts off ... looks so slow , you guys are crazy to sign him
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He's not terrible and he doesn't take shifts off. He plays both ends of the ice. However, I think this should be his last season in NY as that cap space would best be allocated elsewhere.
 
Rick Nash works hard--really hard. It's a shame his hard work hasn't translated on paper. But it's time to move on. The team needs to shift the culture. I think it's good the team continues to morph away from the team of recent vintage symbolized by him, Stepan, Brass, and a few others. As long as he's around, he's taking up a spot for a younger player with more upside.
 
The excuses made for this guy is borderline maddening after the 2014 debacle. He should've been gone after 2015.
 
When AV and Gorton mentioned players that were a bit too comfortable and didn't have that "killer instinct" he is one of the ones I felt they were speaking about.

Just my opinion.

Always felt like his physical attributes and abilities would be near unstoppable if he had the "I WILL NOT BE DENIED" mentality to go with it.

Again, just my opinion.
 
I like Nash. Still, remember how the Gaborik deal helped them get in position for the SCF? A few years older than Gabby at that time, but unless we're headed for president's Trophy again, come TDL, why not find a place he'd like to be for another young top-six C and even just a Dorsett? We seem to be finding Moore-ish prospects easily...Assuming he's got like 20+20 by the deadline, should work...
 
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My biggest concern with Nash is and always has been that despite his very hard work and strong defensive play, his goal-scoring style does not translate to the playoffs. It would be very difficult to replace everything Nash does, especially given that we already lost Stepan, making Nash's PK role even more important than it was. At the same time, if you could package him to regain some depth and maybe find somebody with a more playoff-friendly style, that doesn't seem like a terrible option. If Nash wanted to come back next July at 4x2, I'd probably be cool with that, too (assuming he doesn't fall apart this year or anything).
 
mjolnir13 said:
He should never have been here in the first place.
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We needed another goal scorer to compliment Gaborik and Richards. I wasn't against it, but the rumored asking price at the time I was.

The shortened season started off well but then they struggled and the rumor mill started about Gaborik. I didn't think Sather would actually move him but he did, and we got a hell of a player back that continues to pay dividends (Brassard->Zibanejad). I still hated the trade though, especially since we essentially replaced Gaby with Nash.

Nash didn't come into his own here until 2014-2015 when he scored 40+ again, and after that deflating run losing against Tampa, that was the best time to move him because his value was high. I was happy for Gaborik to win the Cup the year after we traded him, because he proved a lot of people wrong here and I still cheer for him.

Dumbest thing was moving Gaborik and then firing Tortorella a month later. He would've thrived under AV. The personnel decisions are always a perpetual cluster**** here.
 
I've been a fan since about 1996, but the 2010-2016 Rangers are my favorite era, and talking about those years really makes me sad. Even if we didn't win the Cup, we were a threat and we enjoyed some of the greatest moments in our playoff history.

Nash scores three ****ing goals for us in 2014 playoffs. Three. He was the difference between winning and losing. Any sort of contribution. OT goals in the SCF. ****ing nothing.
 
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