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mike14 said:
Did we really? Without putting any research into it my gut tells me that roughly 23-28 would be the 'prime' for a power forward. Didn't we get Nash as a 28 year old?
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A geriatric wheel chair bound Nash scored 42 goals the year after Slava Voynov blocked every important goal he could have scored for 4 rounds.
 
ReggieDunlop68 said:
A geriatric wheel chair bound Nash scored 42 goals the year after Slava Voynov blocked every important goal he could have scored for 4 rounds.
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Yeah, but there's a difference between "prime" and "geriatric wheelchair bound". We'll make it simple; in your opinion what years are/were his prime years?
 
If they don't move Nash now he won't get traded so I'm for pulling a Gaborik and getting assets back before expansion
 
People can't even rip on Nash this year in the playoffs. You can't. At least he did something at some point. Where were all of Kreider, Stepan, Hayes, Miller the entire postseason? Hayes was good in game 6 vs Montreal, that's it.
 
Igor Shestyorkin said:
People can't even rip on Nash this year in the playoffs. You can't. At least he did something at some point. Where were all of Kreider, Stepan, Hayes, Miller the entire postseason? Hayes was good in game 6 vs Montreal, that's it.
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Nash gave great effort in both series. He should be among the last players that are being criticized for the second round exit.
 
i dont think many are criticizing him for this years playoff performance, personally i think the way he played gave his value a boost which means we can acquire more back in a trade

ive been very hard on nash the last couple of years, mainly due to his cap hit but he played extremely well during the postseason this year, however either way i think it is time for him to be traded to acquire some high end prospects or a young dman to play the right side
 
I think Nash's best years were in Columbus, despite, yeah, he scored 40+ goals twice for us.
 
Igor Shestyorkin said:
People can't even rip on Nash this year in the playoffs. You can't. Hayes was good in game 6 vs Montreal, that's it.
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People can do whatever they want. He did something against the Habs. His play against the Sens became more and more diminished until he was utterly invisible in the last two games. The games his team needed him the most.
At least he did something at some point. Where were all of Kreider, Stepan, Hayes, Miller the entire postseason?
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They were all poor. However, you are going to compare an $8m vet to Miller and Hayes? Stepan there is no defending, but look at Krieder's career in elimination games. And he did manage to score a goal in the Rangers biggest game of the year.
 
True Blue said:
People can do whatever they want. He did something against the Habs. His play against the Sens became more and more diminished until he was utterly invisible in the last two games. The games his team needed him the most.

They were all poor. However, you are going to compare an $8m vet to Miller and Hayes? Stepan there is no defending, but look at Krieder's career in elimination games. And he did manage to score a goal in the Rangers biggest game of the year.
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It`s a team sport @True Blue, Nash was totally invisible - it`s part of the fact that Stepan has issues to get his game going, and when u start on the ice always chasing the puck due to a lost faceoff, well it`s much harder to contribute even for Nash.

And that was probably AV reasoning to put Zucc with Zib - higher % chance to win that crucial faceoff to do something with the puck when u have puck possession.
And one of my main reason to move Stepan away from this team, Faulk or Trouba, yes pls. I can even agree to keep Nash for another year, but he need a #center who can win faceoffs to use his sniping skills.
 
Ori said:
It`s a team sport @True Blue, Nash was totally invisible - it`s part of the fact that Stepan has issues to get his game going, and when u start on the ice always chasing the puck due to a lost faceoff, well it`s much harder to contribute even for Nash.
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I realize that it is a team sport. But the team's top and most expensive player only gets so many excuses.
I can even agree to keep Nash for another year, but he need a #center who can win faceoffs to use his sniping skills.
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In all of the years that Nash has been here, there have been more excuses made for his lack of playoff productivity than he has actual big playoff goals.
 
True Blue said:
Our views on Nash are quite opposite and I doubt that we are proving anything to each other. On this topic, probably best for us to agree to disagree.

Cannot recall the exact paper (could have been Daily News) but they stated that the returns that Gorton found were pennies on the dollar. Which is why he did not trade Nash in the summer.

So you are moving him at the deadline as a rental and are expecting a high return? Essentially, what he is during the playoffs is a 2nd/3rd line tweener. Not sure you will get a lot. But I would take a pick and call it a day.
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TB you replied to me, I had no interest in getting back into a debate with you on this subject.

I am curious about one thing though. You seem to have two almost paradoxical views on Nash. In one he is our offensive leader and any time he doesn't score he is letting the team down and even 2-3 games without scoring is an unacceptable dry spell. In the other he is a mid-6 forward whose best days are behind him, really shouldn't be counted on for much, and wont fetch much in a trade. I realize both views fit your different arguments, but I am curious how you reconcile them. They seem like 2 arguments from 2 different people, with the only connection being both people dislike Nash.
 
True Blue said:
I realize that it is a team sport. But the team's top and most expensive player only gets so many excuses.

In all of the years that Nash has been here, there have been more excuses made for his lack of playoff productivity than he has actual big playoff goals.
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Yeah, I agree, but maybe with another #center could get him going, but I really doubt it. If Gorton can get some value out of Nash while moving him - I would really consider it in near future! :nod:
 
McRanger said:
TB you replied to me, I had no interest in getting back into a debate with you on this subject.

I am curious about one thing though. You seem to have two almost paradoxical views on Nash. In one he is our offensive leader and any time he doesn't score he is letting the team down and even 2-3 games without scoring is an unacceptable dry spell. In the other he is a mid-6 forward whose best days are behind him, really shouldn't be counted on for much, and wont fetch much in a trade. I realize both views fit your different arguments, but I am curious how you reconcile them. They seem like 2 arguments from 2 different people, with the only connection being both people dislike Nash.
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The "you just don't like Rick Nash" excuse has been on the list for years now. Snore...
 
If we don't trade Nash next year, do you resign him if he takes a fair contract? Or if he wants to come back as a UFA after he gets traded.

I do. I think he's one of those guys who will still be useful later in his career for his defensive work alone, and will chip in goals. 36 year old Nash would still be a solid 3rd liner at worst, IMO.
 
ReggieDunlop68 said:
The "you just don't like Rick Nash" excuse has been on the list for years now. Snore...
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Your post is more difficult to respond to than I expected when I first read it. You don't seem to understand what we were talking about, and your post doesn't make much sense, so I am really not sure how to proceed...

Your issue is with the word dislike? Dislike was short for "unhappy with Rich Nashs play" or "unhappy with Rich Nashs playoff production." Or pretty much any reason that someone might be unhappy with or dislike Rick Nash, at any moment in time.

I'm not sure how disliking Nash can even be an excuse. What is it excusing? Did you mean accusation? Like I am accusing TB of being bias against Nash because he dislikes him?

The funny thing is TB probably doesn't like Nash. I don't believe he's ever specifically posted "I DISLIKE THAT RICK NASH GUY" but it would make sense. Which is fine. I've disliked Nash at times. And there are plenty of other players I dislike and I am sure TB has a couple that drive him nuts. That doesn't mean we can't have a fair discussion about them.

So.. yeah. I hope that clarifies... something... for you. Assuming that is what your problem was.
 
True Blue said:
I realize that it is a team sport. But the team's top and most expensive player only gets so many excuses.

In all of the years that Nash has been here, there have been more excuses made for his lack of playoff productivity than he has actual big playoff goals.
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If your goal is for us to lose games so we have higher draft choices doesn't a 7.8 mill 35-40 point scorer help you get closer to your goal?
 
Assuming he's not traded. What are your thoughts on re-signing him? Feel like fair market value would be around 4.5 mil.
 
McRanger said:
Your post is more difficult to respond to than I expected when I first read it. You don't seem to understand what we were talking about, and your post doesn't make much sense, so I am really not sure how to proceed...

Your issue is with the word dislike? Dislike was short for "unhappy with Rich Nashs play" or "unhappy with Rich Nashs playoff production." Or pretty much any reason that someone might be unhappy with or dislike Rick Nash, at any moment in time.

I'm not sure how disliking Nash can even be an excuse. What is it excusing? Did you mean accusation? Like I am accusing TB of being bias against Nash because he dislikes him?

The funny thing is TB probably doesn't like Nash. I don't believe he's ever specifically posted "I DISLIKE THAT RICK NASH GUY" but it would make sense. Which is fine. I've disliked Nash at times. And there are plenty of other players I dislike and I am sure TB has a couple that drive him nuts. That doesn't mean we can't have a fair discussion about them.

So.. yeah. I hope that clarifies... something... for you. Assuming that is what your problem was.
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Forgive me for not being up on the Rick Nash discussion. I only joined in a few weeks ago.
 
Thordic said:
If we don't trade Nash next year, do you resign him if he takes a fair contract? Or if he wants to come back as a UFA after he gets traded.

I do. I think he's one of those guys who will still be useful later in his career for his defensive work alone, and will chip in goals. 36 year old Nash would still be a solid 3rd liner at worst, IMO.
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No interest. Hank is the only guy in that age range that should be anywhere near this team. MSL's game fell off a cliff quickly. It will happen to Nash also.
 
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