Player Discussion Rick Nash

[True Blue]

He can't be relied upon to stay healthy.

He can't be relied upon coming through when his team needs him the most.

He'll fetch a decent price.

You really think so? I hope, but have my doubts. That is quite a price tag even for one year for someone to pick up. And if the rumored return last summer was pennies on the dollar, why would it be more now?

 

[Filthy Dangles]

He can't be relied upon to stay healthy. He'll cost a decent price.

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Mid 30s who costs 8 million but can't stay healthy will fetch decent price??

 

[Matt Rentfree]

Fixed.

Mid 30s who costs 8 million but can't stay healthy will fetch decent price??

Nash as a deadline rental would probably fetch a decent price since his cap hit would be way less of a big deal - unfortunately that means the Rangers would have to miss the playoffs for that to happen.

 

[Cassano]

Fixed.

Mid 30s who costs 8 million but can't stay healthy will fetch decent price??

I'd be happy with a 2018 2nd Rounder and an expiring contract. I think that is his value at this point.

 

[McRanger]

Fixed.

Mid 30s who costs 8 million but can't stay healthy will fetch decent price??

Trading for Nash is a risk free cap move. If he sucks he's gone in one year or at the deadline. Teams are always more concerned with term over one year of above average salary.

If you think the Rangers are going to have to give something up to move Nash you are high.

They'll get a decent return.

 

[Ghost of jas]

Trading for Nash is a risk free cap move. If he sucks he's gone in one year or at the deadline. Teams are always more concerned with term over one year of above average salary.

If you think the Rangers are going to have to give something up to move Nash you are high.

They'll get a decent return.

See the price for Eric Staal.

 

[McRanger]

He can't be relied upon coming through when his team needs him the most.

The team didn't need him in the 1st round?

Nash is a streaky scorer. And he is no longer an elite streaky scorer.

If you're looking for Nash to be something he is not, based on a contract he signed with CBJ or a trade that happened 5 years ago or whatever, then I will save you the suspense... you will continue to be disappointed.

Who was reliable when the team needed them most? Hank? Our captain and alternates? Our top center? Our leading scorers?

You really think so? I hope, but have my doubts. That is quite a price tag even for one year for someone to pick up. And if the rumored return last summer was pennies on the dollar, why would it be more now?

Nash for Shatty was the only rumor that seemed even remotely legitimate and that's pretty much the opposite of pennies on the dollar.

Why would I assume he would get less of a return than a decent rental?

 

[True Blue]

Who was reliable when the team needed them most? Hank? Our captain and alternates? Our top center? Our leading scorers?

Our views on Nash are quite opposite and I doubt that we are proving anything to each other. On this topic, probably best for us to agree to disagree.

Nash for Shatty was the only rumor that seemed even remotely legitimate and that's pretty much the opposite of pennies on the dollar.

Cannot recall the exact paper (could have been Daily News) but they stated that the returns that Gorton found were pennies on the dollar. Which is why he did not trade Nash in the summer.

Why would I assume he would get less of a return than a decent rental?

So you are moving him at the deadline as a rental and are expecting a high return? Essentially, what he is during the playoffs is a 2nd/3rd line tweener. Not sure you will get a lot. But I would take a pick and call it a day.

 

[True Blue]

See the price for Eric Staal.

You are presuming that you will find another team that will pay 2 2nd rounders for a third line player? Maybe, but the pessimist in me tends to doubt it.

 

[bl02]

Nash as a deadline rental would probably fetch a decent price since his cap hit would be way less of a big deal - unfortunately that means the Rangers would have to miss the playoffs for that to happen.

Exactly and way out of a playoff spot. Can't see them trading Nash at deadline if they are remotely close to a playoff spot even though they should. even if it only fetches a second or a third.

 

[RGY]

Wish we could re-sign him for $5 mil max per year. That would be worth keeping. But it wont happen.

 

[Dijock94]

Wish they would retain full value and trade him for picks. 2018 is suppose to be a deep draft. This organization needs to go full Toronto rebuild or we are going to be floating around in Limbo for at least another decade. This roster needs more than a few tweaks to contend.

With that said he was still a beast for us. And if he wants to come back on a veteran UFA deal just to play for us I entertain it, but at a much more reasonable cap hit.

 

[haveandare]

Wish they would retain full value and trade him for picks. 2018 is suppose to be a deep draft. This organization needs to go full Toronto rebuild or we are going to be floating around in Limbo for at least another decade. This roster needs more than a few tweaks to contend.

With that said he was still a beast for us. And if he wants to come back on a veteran UFA deal just to play for us I entertain it, but at a much more reasonable cap hit.

The difference between a Toronto rebuild and a Florida rebuild is blind luck. No thanks. This roster would contend tomorrow if they replaced G and Staal with average, competent d-men.

 

[LeetchisGod]

The difference between a Toronto rebuild and a Florida rebuild is blind luck. No thanks. This roster would contend tomorrow if they replaced G and Staal with average, competent d-men.

It really wouldn't. Most of our forwards were absolute garbage in the playoffs. We have no elite offensive players.

 

[haveandare]

It really wouldn't. Most of our forwards were absolute garbage in the playoffs. We have no elite offensive players.

Kreider has averaged a point every other game over 77 playoff games. He scored 13 in 15 a few years back.

Stepan scored about the same pace over 97 playoff games.

They're two guys who are supposed to be real important for us and simply didn't do well over the sample size of these particular 12 games. They average about .5ppg in the playoffs overall, they've both taken over games and even series in the past, they've both scored huge, huge playoff goals, they've both been to the finals and the ecf.

You don't blow up a team to roll your dice in the draft lottery because a few otherwise quality forwards played poorly over 12 games, no matter how important those 12 games were. We don't have an elite offensive player, but we have an extraordinary amount of quality forwards.

If we had any average competent d-men in over G and Staal this series, we'd have won. ECF is contending in all but the silliest of standards.

 

[Ori]

I`m done with Rick Nash - I hope he get moved before a new contract negotiation, and not happy about his 2nd round performance, nor his regular season the last two years.

 

[LeetchisGod]

Kreider has averaged a point every other game over 77 playoff games. He scored 13 in 15 a few years back.

Stepan scored about the same pace over 97 playoff games.

They're two guys who are supposed to be real important for us and simply didn't do well over the sample size of these particular 12 games. They average about .5ppg in the playoffs overall, they've both taken over games and even series in the past, they've both scored huge, huge playoff goals, they've both been to the finals and the ecf.

You don't blow up a team to roll your dice in the draft lottery because a few otherwise quality forwards played poorly over 12 games, no matter how important those 12 games were. We don't have an elite offensive player, but we have an extraordinary amount of quality forwards.

If we had any average competent d-men in over G and Staal this series, we'd have won. ECF is contending in all but the silliest of standards.

No team has to gameplan their defense around stopping Stepan. He is the least dynamic top nine forward that we have. Most of the time Kreider stops himself. He simply doesn't have the mental makeup to dominate consistently like he should. You want to hang our stanley cup chances on these two? Good luck with that.

 

[Igor Shestyorkin]

If only we had prime Nash lmao.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

If only we had prime Nash lmao.

We did have Rick Nash is his prime.

 

[LeetchisGod]

We did have Rick Nash is his prime.

He scored 3 goals in 25 games during our cup finals run.

 

[Igor Shestyorkin]

We did have Rick Nash is his prime.

I meant right now.

 

[LeetchisGod]

I meant right now.

Wouldn't matter in the playoffs. He doesn't raise his level of play like Kessel does.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

He scored 3 goals in 25 games during our cup finals run.

I know. Have in it made it clear for 3.5 years how I feel about Rick Nash?

I thought the poster was going down the revisionist history route as if we got Rick Nash when he was ready to kick the can to explain his playoffs flops.

 

[mike14]

We did have Rick Nash is his prime.

Did we really? Without putting any research into it my gut tells me that roughly 23-28 would be the 'prime' for a power forward. Didn't we get Nash as a 28 year old?

 

[LeetchisGod]

I know. Have in it made it clear for 3.5 years how I feel about Rick Nash?

I thought the poster was going down the revisionist history route as if we got Rick Nash when he was ready to kick the can to explain his playoffs flops.

I agree with you. I am surprised there are so many Nash apologists with that garbage performance on his resume.