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Really disappointing performance last night. Totally a non factor. Can't hold onto the puck and can't make plays. And if not for Kreider's return....who knows what this guy would be contributing.

If we could even get half of what he gave us during the regular season at this point it would be a dramatic improvement over what we've seen so far.
 
You almost wish Prust hit Nash (obviously not getting hurt). Nash vs. Columbus was a force. He was mad the whole time. That is what we need. We need angry Nash.
 
I know everyone is trying to buck the guy up, but he's been a practically been a corpse for more games than I want to count this post season.

He better wake the F&*^ up now though.
 
Nash has 2 goals and 1 assist while raising his hits per game in this series so far, playing excellent defense, playing on the PK etc .. and he still gets **** on.. its amazing.
 
Lundsanity30 said:
Nash has 2 goals and 1 assist while raising his hits per game in this series so far, playing excellent defense, playing on the PK etc .. and he still gets **** on.. its amazing.
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He has to score on every shot and win a Smythe before people shut up about it.

It's NYC after all. I wonder what kind of **** Messier would have taken on these boards after 91-92...people would have said it was a bad trade :laugh:
 
And by the way that Messier post was not to compare Nash to Messier. So before I get attacked for that, I'm just saying that falling short of total annihilation by a star player, NY deems them a failure.
 
I've been pretty supportive of Nash in the playoffs. But he can't lose the puck like he has been.

He's paid to keep it on his stick and get it to the net.
 
jerseyjinx94 said:
And by the way that Messier post was not to compare Nash to Messier. So before I get attacked for that, I'm just saying that falling short of total annihilation by a star player, NY deems them a failure.
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So right now are MSL and Richards getting ripped or are they accomplishing "total annihilation"? Maybe you just have a soft spot for softies. Or maybe you just think Nash sucks.
 
Lundsanity30 said:
Nash has 2 goals and 1 assist while raising his hits per game in this series so far, playing excellent defense, playing on the PK etc .. and he still gets **** on.. its amazing.
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if he was taking 4 million cap dollars less a season you might have a point. I admire his defensive play but defense was not the piece of the puzzle Sather was looking for when he signed him. Hurts even more seeing the leader Dubie has become.
 
TankLarkin said:
if he was taking 4 million cap dollars less a season you might have a point. I admire his defensive play but defense was not the piece of the puzzle Sather was looking for when he signed him. Hurts even more seeing the leader Dubie has become.
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We all knew Dubs had leadership qualities. Unfortunately he is the enemy now. I suspect we will play the Jackets at some point in the future and feel the same way about Dubs that we do about Prust now.

Nash's success as a Ranger does not hinge on him accomplishing what "Sather was looking for" - all that matters is that he contributes to the team in a positive way and puts some points on the board as we win. That's all I personally care about. That and effort. He can't loaf, which I admit, he has a habit of doing at times.
 
jerseyjinx94 said:
What in God's name are you talking about? I was defending Nash.
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"Defending" him by saying we shouldn't expect him to score goals or play any better than he's been.

Sounds like you think he sucks. I criticize him because I think he's capable of a lot more than he's shown. You seem to think he's incapable of doing any more than he's shown. Therefore, it seems clear that you think he sucks.
 
My biggest problem with Nash is that instead of shooting with space, he wants to try to muscle his way through 2 defenders and loses the puck. He has a decent shot, needs to shoot more
 
Nash is a reactive player, not proactive. Adding someone like MSL and watching Zucc breakout has really highlighted the difference to me. They know how to create opportunities through both passing and putting themselves in a scoring position, even if they're not great finishers. They have 360 minds, not tunnel vision.

Nash doesn't have the mindset for that. He doesn't make it easy for playmakers to just "find him" cause he doesn't think 1 or 2 steps ahead. He has the worst case of tunnel vision. He sees what's in front of him and reacts, which usually means trying to skate through 3 guys. It's not going to change. However, i will say that I've been very surprised by how strong he is on the defensive side of the puck and on the PK. He just might've found a niche as a 2 way forward who can score 30 in the reg season. That is very valuable, but just not worth anywhere close to $7.8/yr.
 
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DaBadGuy7 said:
My biggest problem with Nash is that instead of shooting with space, he wants to try to muscle his way through 2 defenders and loses the puck. He has a decent shot, needs to shoot more
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Came here here to say this as well. The bad thing about his shot though is it isn't great and takes a while to shoot.

He's pretty slow too. I fully expect him to have some sort of injury that comes up after the playoffs are over. He's better than this.
 
Kel Varnsen said:
"Defending" him by saying we shouldn't expect him to score goals or play any better than he's been.

Sounds like you think he sucks. I criticize him because I think he's capable of a lot more than he's shown. You seem to think he's incapable of doing any more than he's shown. Therefore, it seems clear that you think he sucks.
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Your arrogance in this post is ridiculous. Don't condescend to people.

Of course I think he is capable of doing more than he's shown. My point was not about Nash in particular, it was regarding NY fans. NY fans are impatient and demand total annihilation from their star players. It's unrealistic. And yes, MSL and Richards have been criticized thoroughly, to the point that most want Richards bought out and many have been complaining about MSL since the trade.

Nash was booed at the Garden. What other playoff team had fans boo any of their players?

My problems with Nash are not results, it's effort. As a fan, we should demand consistent effort from players. If they are doing that, there is no reason to boo them. When Nash loafs on the ice or plays lazily, he deserves criticism. It seems that many posters have an agenda against Nash or have just been so frustrated by the lack of results that they now have developed some type of hatred/mental block against the guy.
 
Also, if Nash WASN'T capable of more than he's shown, then he doesn't suck, because he hasn't been playing badly. So again, your post is assumption-laden about my personal feelings regarding Nash using your personal judgment of his play, which clearly is that he sucks. If anything, you're the one who thinks Nash sucks.
 
I like Moore between Nash and Kreider tomorrow.

I think that's going to help Nash's game. More north south, getting to net. It might even get him away from montreals better d pairs. Moore can't try to do too much though. It needs to be simple.

Brass line has to carry us, we need a big one from them.
 
JaeTM said:
I fully expect him to have some sort of injury that comes up after the playoffs are over. He's better than this.
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I saw the above and I agree. Even factoring in that his numbers for this series are better. He reverted last game, imo. Seems incapable of handling the puck in traffic or generating any chances.

He's not the same player we're used to seeing or thought the Rangers traded for. He's no where close to being the game breaker or even the consistent difference maker that he's shown flashes of being during the regular season.

He's either injured, having a massive crisis of confidence, or in steep decline....we'll see.

In the article on Kreider, Leetch is noted as saying that Kreider's return has helped Nash. An indisputable fact. But is not Nash supposed to be a more stand alone talent? Is he not capable of generating his own chances the way Kreider is so obviously capable of doing?

People talk about his improved PK, back checking and overall defensive responsibility, and that is not a bad thing in any way. The more players contributing to that the better. I'll just make two more points and then I promise, I'm so done with Rick Nash:

- he is supposed to be generating quality scoring chances, not just creating a little extra space for his team mates.

- he is supposed to be scoring goals, or at least a few more than he's scored thus far. Though the help is appreciated, he's not supposed to be Brian Boyle. We have Brian Boyle for that. Go to the net Rick. Just drive the net or simply sit in front of it a bit.

- the excuses will continue but people should ask themselves if this is the Rick Nash you bought into or are even used to seeing during parts of the regular season.

Now, hopefully he comes back and starts playing the way Gabby is playing for the Kings.
 
Pizza said:
I saw the above and I agree. Even factoring in that his numbers for this series are better. He reverted last game, imo. Seems incapable of handling the puck in traffic or generating any chances.

He's not the same player we're used to seeing or thought the Rangers traded for. He's no where close to being the game breaker or even the consistent difference maker that he's shown flashes of being during the regular season.

He's either injured, having a massive crisis of confidence, or in steep decline....we'll see.

In the article on Kreider, Leetch is noted as saying that Kreider's return has helped Nash. An indisputable fact. But is not Nash supposed to be a more stand alone talent? Is he not capable of generating his own chances the way Kreider is so obviously capable of doing?

People talk about his improved PK, back checking and overall defensive responsibility, and that is not a bad thing in any way. The more players contributing to that the better. I'll just make two more points and then I promise, I'm so done with Rick Nash:

- he is supposed to be generating quality scoring chances, not just creating a little extra space for his team mates.

- he is supposed to be scoring goals, or at least a few more than he's scored thus far. Though the help is appreciated, he's not supposed to be Brian Boyle. We have Brian Boyle for that. Go to the net Rick. Just drive the net or simply sit in front of it a bit.

- the excuses will continue but people should ask themselves if this is the Rick Nash you bought into or are even used to seeing during parts of the regular season.

Now, hopefully he comes back and starts playing the way Gabby is playing for the Kings.
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Edit: 99% of your post I agree with so no reason to post the point I did
 
HockeyBasedNYC said:
I like Moore between Nash and Kreider tomorrow.

I think that's going to help Nash's game. More north south, getting to net. It might even get him away from montreals better d pairs. Moore can't try to do too much though. It needs to be simple.

Brass line has to carry us, we need a big one from them.
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I was thinking the same and agree. I think the speed of Kreider and Moore, coupled with both being solid north south players and forecheckers, actually might give Nash more room to find openings. Moore is also solid defensively and will be an improvement on offensive zone faceoffs. Not having Step in the lineup is def a notable loss, but you still have to like that this team has the depth that we can move parts around like this and it isn't entirely depressing when we do.
 
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