Salary Cap: RFA Marner - Silence until solution to the matter one way or the other

[moon111]

How come I can picture one of Marleau's kids start crying after defeat of an intense game of mini-sticks and Marleau
telling him, "Remember what your daddy told you, it doesn't matter if you win or lose, it's how much money you make.
Isn't that right Matt and Mitch?"

 

[Notsince67]

Yeah, I think the team can easily stomach 11 x 8. It's when they get to 11 x 6 or less is when it will be hard to stomach.

Many posters on here are freaking out because "There are only 6 players in the league at 11 mil or above and Leafs can't have 3". This is just the case when you have so much talent, and so much of that talent is young and having insane ELC years.

If the cap jumps you predict happen, there should be tons of players that get over 11 AAV.

I'm sticking to around 10.5 for 6 years as a high water contract. I can't see Marner sitting for more than that (considering that the leafs don't have more space) and the leafs really have little to gain by playing hardball for a better deal for only marginal cap impact. I think it is a deal that they both can live with

 

[ER89]

So, I've missed the entire conversation (went to Kazakhstan for a while).... is Mitch gonna give us the little man/home town discount we expected when we drafted him??

Verrrrrryy niiiiiice

 

[BayStreetBully]

I'm sticking to around 10.5 for 6 years as a high water contract. I can't see Marner sitting for more than that (considering that the leafs don't have more space) and the leafs really have little to gain by playing hardball for a better deal for only marginal cap impact. I think it is a deal that they both can live with

Still too high. I hope he doesn’t accept. I’d rather he sit before giving him that.

 

[18leafsfan18]

I'm sticking to around 10.5 for 6 years as a high water contract. I can't see Marner sitting for more than that (considering that the leafs don't have more space) and the leafs really have little to gain by playing hardball for a better deal for only marginal cap impact. I think it is a deal that they both can live with

Exactly the contract I was saying the other day.

10 x 6 is ideal. 10.5 is totally tolerable for the team (and keeps offer sheets into the 4 1st round picks compensation).

 

[Joey Hoser]

Still too high. I hope he doesn’t accept. I’d rather he sit before giving him that.

That's ridiculous.

 

[BayStreetBully]

That's ridiculous.

Should’ve been $10 million x 8, tops.

Since he won’t accept that, I hope he’s dumb enough not to accept Dubas’ even higher offer of $11x7 and just sits. Let him go to Switzerland and learn to order food in German.

 

[YearsintheWilderness]

Barner needs to be dealt with as soon as possible. If the self-important, delusional creep, who has accomplished sweet-eff all so far, has turned down more than a tenth of a billion dollars (Cdn.), he is toxic waste.

 

[Nineteen67]

Video not available in my region. What did he say?

FYI, you can subscribe to a VPN service that you can set your location to Ontario and you can view all these clips.

 

[al secord]

This is like a soap opera

Did you watch Coronation St last night? It's way better than this.

 

[Notsince67]

Still too high. I hope he doesn’t accept. I’d rather he sit before giving him that.

With Marner they have a chance. Without him they dont. You save 1mm or so for what exactly?

 

[Commander Clueless]

Turning down the Tavares deal is annoying.

At this point, I guess the best we can hope for is a last minute bridge deal?


Dubas is in a bit of a lose-lose situation it seems. Capitulate to Marner, bad contract. Stick to his guns, kick his team's playoff chances in the groin.

 

[BayStreetBully]

With Marner they have a chance. Without him they dont. You save 1mm or so for what exactly?

To make it clear no player is above the team. And that the team will not be held hostage by a young RFA. That alone is worth making a point out of Marner.

Marner is thinking exactly the way you are, which is why he is being unreasonable in the first place. He’s thinking “the Leafs can’t afford NOT to have me, so I’ll just gouge them.” No. I’d him out on his BS and make him sit.

 

[Nineteen67]

These "he comes from a great family" arguments, are why Canada doesn't win at anything.

Did Leonard come from a great family before he lead the Raptors the the Promises Land? There is only so much weight one should put on "he comes from a great family" and it should be low on the list. Winners win. People root for their team to win, not because grandpa was a lifetime government employee and dad buys Tim Hortons to the local arena every weekend.

Find talent who can win and win. You get paid to perform and succeed, that's it. Worse, when a GM says that, what does that say to those players who he DOESN'T say that about? The come from trash?

It's the nepotism that stifles success. Often they build a relationship with a family and blow sunshine up their behinds while other parents stay away or just do their thing and let their kid play. Good.

As it is, none on this team have even won a playoff round. Thus, any of them are dispensable.

Canadians never win?

 

[thewave]

Here’s what Dubas should do. Offer Marner 9.5 x 8. When Marner refuses, Dubas should say fine, take that offer, or let’s go to arbitration. I know you don’t have arbitration rights, but we’ll do it anyway, and we’ll be willing to abide by it. If it is lower so be it. Take the 9.5 x 8, arbitrate, or sit.

That's how you do it. Dubas the destroyer will then destroy the CBA. His Matthews deal is destroying everything. The Aho deal is strange haha.

 

[ToneDog]

I find it strange that Dubas would offer $11Mx7 late June (as reported by Dregs this morning). I understand he was motivated to get a deal done and it showed he was negotiating in good faith but he set himself up by not starting with a lower offer.

 

[Blue Nate]

I know Auston and Mitch are friends but what if we got Paul Marner in a ring with Brian Matthews. Televise it on TSN. I can picture Dreger in Paul's corner rubbing his shoulders with O-dog screaming at him from Matthews' side. Brian sitting there as calm and straight faced as his son.

If Paul wins Mitch gets Auston's contract, if Brian wins he takes Kucherov's. Ratings would be through the roof.

 

[X66]

Here to remind everyone again.

Every team that has yet to sign their marquee RFAs needs them way more than we need Marner. NOT a Marner knock at all, but we’re loaded up front, we can absorb his absence better than the other teams.

 

[thewave]

Here to remind everyone again.

Every team that has yet to sign their marquee RFAs needs them way more than we need Marner. NOT a Marner knock at all, but we’re loaded up front, we can absorb his absence better than the other teams.

I would make him sit. They need to break this mindset of current RFA

 

[Dough72]

Be happy. It's one of the funnest eras in Leafs history. And Marner is the most entertaining player in the league.

 

[BayStreetBully]

I find it strange that Dubas would offer $11Mx7 late June (as reported by Dregs this morning). I understand he was motivated to get a deal done and it showed he was negotiating in good faith but he set himself up by not starting with a lower offer.

Not my style but I understand what he was trying to do. Putting your best offer on the table from the start. Fine, as long as he doesn’t ever budge, ever.

But that number was way too high to begin with. Even a lower number would’ve been more than generous. Dubas could’ve offered a lower number, and then continued to stick with that all throughout the process, and then the Leafs wouldn’t have to overpay Marner an egregious $11 million on October 1 if he did later accept.

Just utter incompetence from Dubas, and utter greed from Marner, and neither the two of them walk away from this looking good. Although to be fair to Marner, I’d rather be seen as greedy than incompetent.

 

[ToneDog]

Not my style but I understand what he was trying to do. Putting your best offer on the table from the start. Fine, as long as he doesn’t ever budge, ever.

But that number was way too high to begin with. Even a lower number would’ve been more than generous. Dubas could’ve offered a lower number, and then continued to stick with that all throughout the process, and then the Leafs wouldn’t have to overpay Marner an egregious $11 million on October 1 if he did later accept.

Just utter incompetence from Dubas, and utter greed from Marner, and neither the two of them walk away from this looking good. Although to be fair to Marner, I’d rather be seen as greedy than incompetent.

If 11x7 is the hill Dubas is going to die on and Marner refused before July 1, why not immediately start shopping him rather than not budging for 2 1/2 months. Didn't Dubas understand that the Marner camp had their heads in the clouds and still do ??

 

[18leafsfan18]

I find it strange that Dubas would offer $11Mx7 late June (as reported by Dregs this morning). I understand he was motivated to get a deal done and it showed he was negotiating in good faith but he set himself up by not starting with a lower offer.

How do you know he didn't start with a lower offer ?

How do you know that 11x7 is what Dubas said is their top offer ?

 

[CDN24]

I'm sticking to around 10.5 for 6 years as a high water contract. I can't see Marner sitting for more than that (considering that the leafs don't have more space) and the leafs really have little to gain by playing hardball for a better deal for only marginal cap impact. I think it is a deal that they both can live with

I think it ends up being 3 yrs at around $9M. 7M yr 1, 8M yr 2 and 12M in yr 3. 27/3 for a 9M AAV. Marner gets his short term that he wants, Dubas gets a win on AAV. I think yr 3 has to be higher than Matthews AAV. Then the QO is 12M for year 4.

That IMO for the Leafs is good, it avoids Marner sitting out. And you have 3 years to see if he is really as good as last year would suggest. It also staggers the contract end dates. Yeah he can become UFA in 4 years - so what, you are letting the other one become one in 5.

If it goes to QO in yr 4 it is 39 M total over 4 years still almost 2m/yr less than matthews.

 

[18leafsfan18]

I think it ends up being 3 yrs at around $9M. 7M yr 1, 8M yr 2 and 12M in yr 3. 27/3 for a 9M AAV. Marner gets his short term that he wants, Dubas gets a win on AAV. I think yr 3 has to be higher than Matthews AAV. Then the QO is 12M for year 4.

That IMO for the Leafs is good, it avoids Marner sitting out. And you have 3 years to see if he is really as good as last year would suggest. It also staggers the contract end dates. Yeah he can become UFA in 4 years - so what, you are letting the other one become one in 5.

Then you do this all over again in 3 years, where Marner has all the leverage (Can take the 12m x 1 year and walk).