Revisiting the Pavel Bure trade

[SnowblindNYR]

The edict from Dolan was to make the playoffs.

Sather was being a dutiful employee and doing the owners bidding

Failed miserably at it.

So how did Dolan get on board for a rebuild? Was it that we've made the playoffs so often he wasn't as "thirsty" for the playoffs?

 

[pld459666]

So how did Dolan get on board for a rebuild? Was it that we've made the playoffs so often he wasn't as "thirsty" for the playoffs?

I honestly believe the Yankees blueprint had a lot to do with greenlighting a rebuild.

 

[Machinehead]

What I remember about it is that he couldn't wear 10 because *checks notes* ...Sandy McCarthy was wearing it (who I liked but still seemed odd) and he asked Adam Graves if he could wear 9 who was, of course, extremely gracious in letting him do so.

 

[ecemleafs]

didnt we trying playing a defenseman at LW when we were playing against Bure on Florida? Left wing lock with 3 D or some crazy shit like that?

 

[Machinehead]

I honestly believe the Yankees blueprint had a lot to do with greenlighting a rebuild.

What blueprint? Lucking into a 25-year-old project becoming a franchise talent followed by spending like the Arizona Coyotes?

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

So how did Dolan get on board for a rebuild? Was it that we've made the playoffs so often he wasn't as "thirsty" for the playoffs?

I think Dolan had and still has a lot of respect for Sather and his opinions and would pretty much write a check for whatever Sather wanted

 

[pld459666]

What blueprint? Lucking into a 25-year-old project becoming a franchise talent followed by spending like the Arizona Coyotes?

Its not just Judge

Sanchez, current issues aside

Luis Severino

Domingo German

Moving assets to acquire young talent like Frazier, Torres

There are alot of assets contributing to the Yankees offensive success.

They didn't go full rebuild, they re-tooled on the fly.

Rangers look to have done the same

 

[Machinehead]

Its not just Judge

Sanchez, current issues aside

Luis Severino

Domingo German

Moving assets to acquire young talent like Frazier, Torres

There are alot of assets contributing to the Yankees offensive success.

They didn't go full rebuild, they re-tooled on the fly.

Rangers look to have done the same

Here's hoping the Rangers don't file for bankruptcy when their best players become free agents.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

So @Machinehead is a miserable bastard when it comes to the Yankees too?

 

[Machinehead]

So @Machinehead is a miserable bastard when it comes to the Yankees too?

When you have an MVP finalist that's a free agent, are the most valuable team in the sport, don't have a hard cap, and sit there and say "we don't have the money," yes. Absolutely.

 

[pld459666]

So @Machinehead is a miserable bastard when it comes to the Yankees too?

Looks like it, lol

 

[aufheben]

Had a Bure poster on the kitchen wall in college (as a Canuck). Favorite player ever.

Is Panarin a better player than Bure if he's the player he was last year? I feel like he's way more well rounded but obviously not as good of a goal scorer.

Their career accomplishments are pretty similar (so far), although Panarin is never going to match his goalscoring. Panarin came over at an older age, but Bure had all the injuries to deal with.

Bure
Calder Trophy
Hart Trophy: x1 3rd place
Richard Trophy: x2
Top-10 Points: x4
Top-10 Goals: x5
NHL All-Star Team: x1
Points Per Game: 91 pts

Panarin
Calder Trophy
Hart Trophy: x1 3rd place
Top-10 Points: x2
NHL All-Star Team: x1
Points Per Game: 87 pts

 

[aufheben]

Btw who makes a thread about Pavel Bure and doesn't post any videos? That's crazy talk.

 

[Maximus]

Btw who makes a thread about Pavel Bure and doesn't post any videos? That's crazy talk.

Ummmm...if you go up in the thread, I did post a Bure highlight package...just sayin!

 

[mrhockey193195]

Should have got him the first time.

He was so great to watch, unfortunately he had very few reps left in him. I remember hearing speculation it might be York/Novak/1st and it ended up being Novak/Ulanov/1st. Sather leaned on them as they had no one else to move his salary to.

The first ended up being 10th overall. Was a weak draft year, but they apparently had talks for the 4th pick with Tampa (Pitkanen pick). If they had the 10th maybe that would have been an easier trade to make.

I was a kid at the time (12 when the trade went down) and Bure was my favorite non-Ranger, so I was ecstatic to get him - but even more ecstatic that York wasn't part of the trade. Mike was everything that the Rangers otherwise lacked in a forward - hard working, gritty, homegrown. Lo and behold, the very next day he gets shipped off the Edmonton and I was devastated.

But having Bure in NY was a brief bright spot in the otherwise dismal dark ages. I still remember the innocuous hit to his knee vs. Buffalo the next season. I turned to my brother and immediately said "that's the last time we'll ever see him play". He did make a brief comeback towards the end of the season, but basically that was it. Over in a flash.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

I was there....literally......so I'll give the recount.

It was a very strange feeling almost like if you're in a car accident because the adrenaline was high but something wasn't right. The Rangers had got Bure...but traded Mike York earlier in the day. When the announcer said the scratches and York's name for the last time (since he was traded at deadline he was still technically on the roster after 12 PM) there was this sadness. Look the crowd boo'd Tom Poti a lot because they loved Mike York.

The general mood at the time was the team still stunk and was a Ron Low product so even if Bure went full NHL 94 Jeremy Roenick, the team wasn't going to outgun enough on most nights to win.

Bure scored that game and of course the Rangers lost because Low while a nice guy was not an NHL head coach. They flashed his pic on the Jumbo Tron (pre-Garden Vision) and he was boo'd with the "Low Must Go" chant.

Bure was electric and did his best. He probably would have played a few years longer if the Rangers actually had some semblance of a team that looked out for him instead of Sandy McCarthy trying to score goals or Kristaf Oliwa or whoever.

The trade wasn't that bad it was just annoying giving up a pick (turned into Eric Nystrom ironically who had a decent bottom six NHL career).

Back in those dark ages the Rangers had no time for development. Guys like Martin Richter and Filip Novak would look solid in preseason yet never get a call. It was frustrating. There was one point a season or two later when Dale Purinton was suspended, Leetch was injured, and there were a grand total of zero home grown players in the lineup. Larry Brooks ripped them.

So the overall verdict on Bure: it was a moment and he was electric but it should have lasted longer. Him on the post lockout teams playing with Ruccin and Rucinsky/Straka on the second line could have been fun.

 

[leetch99]

Aside from Gretzky, the only players (through today) that I felt like that about were him and Gretzky. Literally you felt like something could happen at any second.

He was the scariest player on the ice in the 94 Finals...he just had so many breakaways ...almost enough to give one an ulcer . Richter stopped him though when it was needed. When he got that puck at center ice he was almost uncatchable by 99 % of the players in the league . He indeed was a sight to behold and one of the best that ever played the game despite winding up a career early . Like Lindros...gone far too soon and as good as anybody that ever played .

 

[leetch99]

Gotta put Lemieux on that list too, no?

Yup...when the playoffs hit Claude was one of the greatest performers in NHL history and he has the numbers to back that up and Cup rings !!! Hopefully his son evolves into at least 75 % of his Dad !

 

[CasusBelli]

The thing people forget about Pavel Bure is he WANTED to be a Ranger. Holik and everyone else came for the largest check, but Pavel actually wanted to be a Ranger.

Watching Pavel Bure was a treat and a sole highlight of years of dreck.

I didn’t know that. Did he request to be dealt to NY specifically? Or is this something that he said in interviews?

Never mind: just saw the practice/interview clip posted above.

 

[CasusBelli]

What I remember about it is that he couldn't wear 10 because *checks notes* ...Sandy McCarthy was wearing it (who I liked but still seemed odd) and he asked Adam Graves if he could wear 9 who was, of course, extremely gracious in letting him do so.

Wonder why he didn’t wear 96 like he had at one point in Vancouver.

 

[CasusBelli]

I was a kid at the time (12 when the trade went down) and Bure was my favorite non-Ranger, so I was ecstatic to get him - but even more ecstatic that York wasn't part of the trade. Mike was everything that the Rangers otherwise lacked in a forward - hard working, gritty, homegrown. Lo and behold, the very next day he gets shipped off the Edmonton and I was devastated.

But having Bure in NY was a brief bright spot in the otherwise dismal dark ages. I still remember the innocuous hit to his knee vs. Buffalo the next season. I turned to my brother and immediately said "that's the last time we'll ever see him play". He did make a brief comeback towards the end of the season, but basically that was it. Over in a flash.

You add a knee-knee hit on a guy with existing knee problems and yeah ... that’s gonna happen. Fun fact: it’s not that he was injury prone the way some people are prone to groin injuries or shoulder injuries. It was his own doing: the result of his skating technique, as he would “roll” on his skates to increase the amount of contact with the ice and get a bigger boost. That kind of rotation combined with the intensity of each stride simply took a toll. I haven’t seen anyone else skate that way — but even when he didn’t have the jets on there was something different about how he skated. He, OV (obvious) and Hossa (long stride with almost exaggerated hip rotation) always stood out based purely on how they skated.

 

[True Blue]

Gotta put Lemieux on that list too, no?

Certainly true. But as Edge correctly points out, both Gretzky and Maryo very fluidly made things happen. Bure and Lindros did things at warp speed. And neither Gretzky or Lemieux had quite the elbow that Bure did.

 

[True Blue]

He was the scariest player on the ice in the 94 Finals...he just had so many breakaways ...almost enough to give one an ulcer . Richter stopped him though when it was needed. When he got that puck at center ice he was almost uncatchable by 99 % of the players in the league . He indeed was a sight to behold and one of the best that ever played the game despite winding up a career early . Like Lindros...gone far too soon and as good as anybody that ever played .

He was literally a rocket in those '94 Final. Makes that save by Richter ("SAVE BY RICHTER!!!") even more amazing. Pure athelticism.

I believe that had he stayed healthy, Lindros would have been put into the conversation with Gretzky and Lemieux. Bure? A healthy Bure may well have been a top5-10 player of all time. Certainly a top-5 goal scorer.

You are right on both. Gone far too soon and as good as just about anyone.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

He was literally a rocket in those '94 Final. Makes that save by Richter ("SAVE BY RICHTER!!!") even more amazing. Pure athelticism.

I believe that had he stayed healthy, Lindros would have been put into the conversation with Gretzky and Lemieux. Bure? A healthy Bure may well have been a top5-10 player of all time. Certainly a top-5 goal scorer.

You are right on both. Gone far too soon and as good as just about anyone.

How did a human being turn into "literally" a rocket?

 

[True Blue]

How did a human being turn into "literally" a rocket?

Magic