Raptors Discussion: REPORT: Raptors trade DeRozan, Poeltl, Protected 1st to Spurs for Leonard, Green

[Glenn Isildur Healy]

If anyone wants a quick laugh

 

[Daisy Jane]

I don't have a problem with moving guys. But I do think it's stupid to tell someone they aren't going and then turn around and move them. Why do that? Why make any assurances? At best nothing happens and you never needed to do it. At worst you end up lying to the person and give your organization a public black eye. Not the worst thing in the world. But I wouldn't go and seek out the trouble.

Just kind of hilarious and impressive that the Raptors managed to piss off both the player coming to them and the player leaving at the same time.

lol it takes talent.

and that's honestly, the dumb thing masai could do. why make promises you know you can't keep.

 

[Eyedea]

Still skeptical

How many current raps players actually went to social media to say they will miss Casey and he should not have been fired? The only people that did so had no affiliation with the team.

 

[Stephen]

Bit of a gambit staking your GM job on a guy with character issues who is openly hostile to the idea of joining your team and having traded the only NBA star who ever enthusiastically wanted to be in your program/city.

Reminds me of a desperation Cliff Fletcher move.

 

[Gary Nylund]

in regards to the DeMar being mad/Masai lying to him. meh get over it.

I'm really surprised to hear you say that considering you're still pissed at Stamkos for not signing here. Stamkos never promised us a thing and you're just a fan who isn't directly influenced by his decision. DD on the other hand, he was promised something, he's as loyal and as hard working an athlete I've ever seen in this city, he's always given us his all, was totally committed to us and his life is obviously hugely impacted by Masai breaking his promise and your response is "meh get over it"?

S..t happens I guess but it should be the easiest thing in the world to understand that DD has every reason to be upset. I'm sure he'll get over it in time but I can certainly sympathise with the guy.

 

[Diamond Joe Quimby]

Bit of a gambit staking your GM job on a guy with character issues who is openly hostile to the idea of joining your team and having traded the only NBA star who ever enthusiastically wanted to be in your program/city.

Reminds me of a desperation Cliff Fletcher move.

Several things, and this is all said in a non-pointed, non-aggressive way.

1. One could see this as the acquisition of a very valuable asset who's value is at its lowest
2. Masai is the President, and in all likelihood, will not have his job riding on this
3. Kawhi was hostile to the Spurs, and it is being implied (by the US media) that he is hostile to joining the Raptors
4. Prior to last season, there was no word, not even an inkling of any character issues with Kawhi
5. Demar is not an NBA Star.
6. This is not hockey

 

[AllDay28]

Bit of a gambit staking your GM job on a guy with character issues who is openly hostile to the idea of joining your team and having traded the only NBA star who ever enthusiastically wanted to be in your program/city.

Reminds me of a desperation Cliff Fletcher move.

im sure you would of had the same incorrect opinion when Masai traded Melo

 

[Gary Nylund]

Bit of a gambit staking your GM job on a guy with character issues who is openly hostile to the idea of joining your team and having traded the only NBA star who ever enthusiastically wanted to be in your program/city.

Reminds me of a desperation Cliff Fletcher move.

It does seem a bit desperate doesn't it. It makes some sense to me in the sense that our situation IS desperate. On the other hand, after breaking his promise to DD his word isn't gonna mean squat in the future which could make it quite difficult to attract players here in the future. I can just imagine him trying to entice Kawhi with whatever promises and Kawhi giving him a cold start and saying whatever dude, put it in writing and I'll have my lawyer look at it.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Several things, and this is all said in a non-pointed, non-aggressive way.

1. One could see this as the acquisition of a very valuable asset who's value is at its lowest
2. Masai is the President, and in all likelihood, will not have his job riding on this
3. Kawhi was hostile to the Spurs, and it is being implied (by the US media) that he is hostile to joining the Raptors
4. Prior to last season, there was no word, not even an inkling of any character issues with Kawhi
5. Demar is not an NBA Star.
6. This is not hockey

Yeah I don't think Masai's job is on the line either, far from it. I think he may have been "desperate" only in the sense that we keep failing in the playoffs so we really needed to do something as opposed to maintaining the status quo. And this is certainly "doing something".

You mean Kawhi hasn't actually said this and it might not be true? That's great if it's true.

 

[The Nemesis]

Several things, and this is all said in a non-pointed, non-aggressive way.

1. One could see this as the acquisition of a very valuable asset who's value is at its lowest
2. Masai is the President, and in all likelihood, will not have his job riding on this
3. Kawhi was hostile to the Spurs, and it is being implied (by the US media) that he is hostile to joining the Raptors
4. Prior to last season, there was no word, not even an inkling of any character issues with Kawhi
5. Demar is not an NBA Star.
6. This is not hockey

I agree with most of this except the bolded. He is a star. He's just not a top-shelf Mega-Star a la Curry/LeBron/Westbrook..or Kawhi.

He's on that Jimmy Butler/Klay Thompson sort of tier where everyone knows his name and knows he's a good player, but he's not a guy that you build teams around.

 

[Diamond Joe Quimby]

Yeah I don't think Masai's job is on the line either, far from it. I think he may have been "desperate" only in the sense that we keep failing in the playoffs so we really needed to do something as opposed to maintaining the status quo. And this is certainly "doing something".

You mean Kawhi hasn't actually said this and it might not be true? That's great if it's true.

Lol you guys have to consider the sources.

The American media (salty) who cheer for the story (which is smallest\least sexy with him going to Toronto, even less so than staying in San Antonio) is pushing narrative.

Look through the salt, young padawans.

 

[Schennanigans]

Crazy to be trading your franchise player who also loves the city for a guy who wont even be here for long. That is alot to give up for one year of this guy.

 

[Eyedea]

I agree with most of this except the bolded. He is a star. He's just not a top-shelf Mega-Star a la Curry/LeBron/Westbrook..or Kawhi.

He's on that Jimmy Butler/Klay Thompson sort of tier where everyone knows his name and knows he's a good player, but he's not a guy that you build teams around.

There’s a solid tier in between those, where Lowry resides. And Butler would too.

 

[zeke]

It does seem a bit desperate doesn't it. It makes some sense to me in the sense that our situation IS desperate. On the other hand, after breaking his promise to DD his word isn't gonna mean squat in the future which could make it quite difficult to attract players here in the future. I can just imagine him trying to entice Kawhi with whatever promises and Kawhi giving him a cold start and saying whatever dude, put it in writing and I'll have my lawyer look at it.

there is absolutely nothing desperate, ever, about trading for one of the top 5 players in the league.

especially when you can do it while not giving up even one asset you will miss.

 

[Leafin]

What is next?

Is Lowry thrilled to be playing with an MVP level player? Or is he hurt that his boy got traded?

Love this trade. Excellent work from Masai. Moved a great guy but a guy that clearly wasn't good enough to get things done in the playoffs.

The Claw... phenomenal nickname for the newest Raptor. MLSE marketing dept has to be licking their collective chops.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Lol you guys have to consider the sources.

The American media (salty) who cheer for the story (which is smallest\least sexy with him going to Toronto, even less so than staying in San Antonio) is pushing narrative.

Look through the salt, young padawans.

Sure, I haven't been following this so I have no idea what the sources are. I don't know much more about it then what I read here (so almost nothing).

 

[Diamond Joe Quimby]

I agree with most of this except the bolded. He is a star. He's just not a top-shelf Mega-Star a la Curry/LeBron/Westbrook..or Kawhi.

He's on that Jimmy Butler/Klay Thompson sort of tier where everyone knows his name and knows he's a good player, but he's not a guy that you build teams around.

I'd say a tier or two down, Nem. Give Klay that usage rate, and he leads the league in scoring. And Jimmy does the same things, but can be the best wing defender on a team.

 

[dangomon]

With the protection on the pick, if the Raptors get the 19th overall, can they choose to give it anyways. If they lose Kawhi at year's end, and decide to get younger, the 2020 1st may end up being more valuable to the team.

 

[Leafin]

With the protection on the pick, if the Raptors get the 19th overall, can they choose to give it anyways. If they lose Kawhi at year's end, and decide to get younger, the 2020 1st may end up being more valuable to the team.

It converts to 2 2nd rounders if its in the top 20 next year. I don't see the Raptors in the top 20 unless they get hit by injuries.

 

[Diamond Joe Quimby]

Crazy to be trading your franchise player who also loves the city for a guy who wont even be here for long. That is alot to give up for one year of this guy.

Kyle got traded, too? When that happen?

 

[zeke]

I'd say a tier or two down, Nem. Give Klay that usage rate, and he leads the league in scoring. And Jimmy does the same things, but can be the best wing defender on a team.

Demar was deservedly benched in the playoffs. Because Vanvleet was better. and had been better all year long.

Demar may not even be starting material when he's not forcefed elite 1st option touches. He can't defend. He can't shoot from deep. The only thing he is good at is driving the basket.

 

[The Nemesis]

I'd say a tier or two down, Nem. Give Klay that usage rate, and he leads the league in scoring. And Jimmy does the same things, but can be the best wing defender on a team.

I'm talking about popularity/perception less than talent and impact on the game.

DeRozan is basically a 90s star player playing a decade and a half out of time.

 

[AllDay28]

I have a buddy from Miami whos opinion i really like(d), and now hes just petty cause of this deal. Says hed still take Boston over Toronto. ahh, the salt and I love Brad Stevens but ya

 

[AllDay28]

With the protection on the pick, if the Raptors get the 19th overall, can they choose to give it anyways. If they lose Kawhi at year's end, and decide to get younger, the 2020 1st may end up being more valuable to the team.

well its either 2019 1st or 2 2nd rounders so that would be pretty stupid to do

 

[AllDay28]

What is next?

Is Lowry thrilled to be playing with an MVP level player? Or is he hurt that his boy got traded?

Love this trade. Excellent work from Masai. Moved a great guy but a guy that clearly wasn't good enough to get things done in the playoffs.

The Claw... phenomenal nickname for the newest Raptor. MLSE marketing dept has to be licking their collective chops.

Was DD, Lowry's boy when he openly said he wanted to go to the Spurs and they had no interest in him?

Its a sport. You guys ever play a sport and not play on your friends team? it happens, you just go out and play. These guys make millionsss..theyll be fine. if theyre sad, pay for the trip and go visit.