Remove 1 current Leaf to bring back a former one

[Beaumaris]

Marner for Sundin

 

[WilliamInLondon]

A depth one I'd do is Mikheyev for Grabovski

Grabo would be such a good 3c on our team. Hell, give me the entire Kulemin-Grabo-MacArthur line back

I would have taken Igor Korolev if we're talking about a swap for Mikheyev/Kerfoot. Grabovsky had may more offensive flair, but Korolev played a much smarter, more defensive game.

others:

- Holl for Stralman (he would have been perfect on this team)
- Simmonds for Steve Thomas part 2
- Simmonds for Gartner (speed kills - he was still an elite skater at 34. imagine this guy in today's NHL...)
- Andersen/Campbell for Belfour (this is painfully obvious; best Leafs goalie of modern era)
- anyone except Matthews for Mogilny (so supremely underrated)
- Rielly for Leetch or Murphy (people were so stupid to boo this guy out of town)

 

[colchar]

why would you ever downgrade the player(s)?

I may consider Keon for Tavares, but, maybe Gilmour, but, prob not. Although Gilmour was a pitbull, he played in a higher scoring era, and his game may not translate as well to the goalies in the league now, as he had a "Marner" like shot. Sittler on the other hand was better than Gilmour, and I'd take him over Tavares.
Armstrong may be very famous (for playing so long), but, he wasnt nearly as talented as Marner

There is more to it than offensive stats.

As for things like playing against today's goalies, if you are going to use that criteria then the whole point of this thread is useless. Player's from previous eras could never compete in today's NHL so what's the point of even talking about it? The idea should be "if they were great in their era, pretend they would be equally great today".

 

[mydnyte]

There is more to it than offensive stats.

As for things like playing against today's goalies, if you are going to use that criteria then the whole point of this thread is useless. Player's from previous eras could never compete in today's NHL so what's the point of even talking about it? The idea should be "if they were great in their era, pretend they would be equally great today".

Gilmour is still very recent, and if i had to pick one active player to compare him to it would be Point, which is still quite good.
Sittler was a better than Sundin in my opinion, and i have a high opinion of Sundin ...i was one of the few people cheering the trade while everyone was crying about losing Clark.
Keon was the best 2-way player of his age
the older 'great' players would be far better because of the equipment upgrades...
non Leaf example would be Bobby Hull's slap shot, imagine that guy shooting with a composite stick, or more recently, Al Macinnis
the older gen players were at a huge disadvantage vs modern players as far as training, and equipment, and they were still 'great'

 

[Makaveli]

Hyman for Clark
Galchenyuk for Roberts
Engvall for Tucker

 

[Christ]

Replace Anderson with Belfore or Cujo.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Isles have privilege of having HOF coach, if you look roster or long term cap wise what Lou has done I wouldn't want him back. He made same mistakes here and also in Devils. They had two cinderella runs and maxed out their roster, but Isles are few roster players away from winning the Stanley Cup. They can't add and they are aging.

If you want to make that GM change, I would go early 90s Cliff Fletcher for Kyle Dubas.

Considering that they were within a goal of beating Tampa this year, do you think that having their captain, and second best scorer last season, on their top line instead of no-goal Komarov, might have been enough?

As for aging, of their four best forwards, the two oldest have just turned 24, and their two best defencemen will soon turn 27.

 

[Confucius]

Hunter for Dubas

 

[deprw]

Considering that they were within a goal of beating Tampa this year, do you think that having their captain, and second best scorer last season, on their top line instead of no-goal Komarov, might have been enough?

As for aging, of their four best forwards, the two oldest have just turned 24, and their two best defencemen will soon turn 27.

Pulock will need new contract for 2022-2023 season and they have already 4,3million cap penalty there. After that Barzal is RFA and 1 year from UFA. Islanders was one goal away their roster is aging and they can't get any notable UFA players, because they have almost 6 million of cap penalty for next season. Our core is way too expensive but we have our older players in defense with shorter contracts and we can still build on that. Islanders have Lee and Nelson. Our forwards are closing prime, so it's easier to predict that they will on this level for years. Islanders will be in big trouble, because of cap and that is something that Lou usually cannot manage. That was the reason why Devils let that legend go, after three Stanley Cups and stuff.

 

[Dave92]

Anyone except Matthews for Gary Roberts.

 

[ER89]

Anyone except Matthews for Gary Roberts.

I wouldn't mind some tucker or corson either. Or belfour or cujo. No team was happy drawing the leafs back then. Even if they won they'd be hurting the next round.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Pulock will need new contract for 2022-2023 season and they have already 4,3million cap penalty there. After that Barzal is RFA and 1 year from UFA. Islanders was one goal away their roster is aging and they can't get any notable UFA players, because they have almost 6 million of cap penalty for next season. Our core is way too expensive but we have our older players in defense with shorter contracts and we can still build on that. Islanders have Lee and Nelson. Our forwards are closing prime, so it's easier to predict that they will on this level for years. Islanders will be in big trouble, because of cap and that is something that Lou usually cannot manage. That was the reason why Devils let that legend go, after three Stanley Cups and stuff.

You didn't really address any of my points, but ok.

Yes, the team is aging (isn't every team?), but their core is just coming into their prime.

At the same time that Pulock will need a new contract, Komarov's 3M will be coming off.

I'm not suggesting that there may not be problems, but I don't think they are in that bad a situation. There are certainly teams in worse positions: Tampa and Toronto for two.

At least Tampa has a couple of Cups, and Islanders have a couple of deep runs.

 

[deprw]

I'm not suggesting that there may not be problems, but I don't think they are in that bad a situation. There are certainly teams in worse positions: Tampa and Toronto for two.

At least Tampa has a couple of Cups, and Islanders have a couple of deep runs.

We're in worse position than Islanders? Ok, that's your opinion. I bolded the part that I don't get. They had two deep run this second was real cinderella run, but I think that's that. They can't get better and they have no avenue than down. They're cap is tied up to wrong players and they're young guns will demand more money. They're going to that 2005-2015 Torontos no mans land where they draft middle of the pack or they'll have to make full rebuild. They have that Komarov for next season with 5,75million cap penalty so 10 million of their cap is tied to that. Would have that rather than Marner?

We are one Marner trade away from doing something else, if we want and if we need rebuild we have no burden here, so it's our choice of approach. Next season, can we progress? Yes we can, there is potential for internal growth in our roster. Our core is in prime soon. Next summer is sort of a crossroad for this roster, because Riellys contract is up and his big part of our defence.

If we think about flat cap, it isn't bad thing just for us. Tampa Bay is in problems now, but yeah they won two cups so who cares. Other teams have also build their team to that idea that cap will rise, in that sense were in bad spot were not alone.

 

[notDatsyuk]

We're in worse position than Islanders? Ok, that's your opinion. I bolded the part that I don't get. They had two deep run this second was real cinderella run, but I think that's that. They can't get better and they have no avenue than down. They're cap is tied up to wrong players and they're young guns will demand more money. They're going to that 2005-2015 Torontos no mans land where they draft middle of the pack or they'll have to make full rebuild. They have that Komarov for next season with 5,75million cap penalty so 10 million of their cap is tied to that. Would have that rather than Marner?

We are one Marner trade away from doing something else, if we want and if we need rebuild we have no burden here, so it's our choice of approach. Next season, can we progress? Yes we can, there is potential for internal growth in our roster. Our core is in prime soon. Next summer is sort of a crossroad for this roster, because Riellys contract is up and his big part of our defence.

If we think about flat cap, it isn't bad thing just for us. Tampa Bay is in problems now, but yeah they won two cups so who cares. Other teams have also build their team to that idea that cap will rise, in that sense were in bad spot were not alone.

Islanders were the second best team in the playoffs two years in a row, which makes them a 'cinderella' team, while we can't even win a single round.

We have over 11m tied up in an fading #2 centre and 20m in two more players who also can't perform in the playoffs, and you think their cap is tied up in the wrong players?

Ok. difference of opinion.

While I don't agree that "they have no avenue than down", it's certainly true that we have nowhere to go but up, unless we miss the playoffs completely. But then again, in the last two years they gave the Cup champions their toughest matchups. I wish I could have said that about the Leafs, even once in the last 54 years.