Post-Game Talk: Refs GIFT game to Wild 3-2

[Jets 31]

The refs weren't even looking at a replay on their tablet they were looking at flight times . " It's pretty cold here in Minnesota , i know eh , take a look at the stands everyone is leaving , really ? , ok call it a goal and we can get to LA faster .

 

[Jets 31]

Sorry , that's goaltender interference all day everyday . One thing though , WTF Lowry ? could use some strength on the puck there .

 

[Jet]

Aside from all of the officiating garbage that I am still FURIOUS about, the Jets are getting manhandled this season and I don't like it. Adding Niku (which should be in for Dahlstrom) is not going to help this situation. We need Buff and Kulikov back, and I hate to say it, but we need a guy like Foligno to really start punishing the opposition with hits.

Teams are brutalizing us with impunity right now and it's only going to get worse in the second half of the season.

The worst part of the game could be that that piece of shit Kunin scored the tying goal. I saw the Jets taking runs at him but that's another situation where we need Buff back. I really miss him.

 

[surixon]

I know you like to mostly lay things on Maurice, but I really do believe the organization as a whole is concerned about how best to develop Niku and want to put him into a position to succeed. While he has an amazing offensive flair and skates well, he is also a very slight man who has in the past been bit lost and hesitant in his own zone at the NHL level. If you play him with one of the lumbering beasts we use instead of NHL defenseman the young gazelle just might get trampled more than the organization would like. I'd like to see him in the lineup, but I am concerned about usage. My guess going into the season Chevy envisioned playing Pionk with Morrissey, and having Niku sheltered along side Buff on the second paring with Kuli and Poolman making up the 3rd pairing.

I try not to lay everything on Maurice but I do believe that the fact that we were playing a divisional foe who plays a heavy game influenced who Maurice elected to put in yesterday.

I do agree that the Buff situation put a wrench into the orgs plans this year but at the end of the day I believe that if you believe Niku is a part of the future you need to have him up playing this year.

 

[Duke749]

Aside from all of the officiating garbage that I am still FURIOUS about, the Jets are getting manhandled this season and I don't like it. Adding Niku (which should be in for Dahlstrom) is not going to help this situation. We need Buff and Kulikov back, and I hate to say it, but we need a guy like Foligno to really start punishing the opposition with hits.

Teams are brutalizing us with impunity right now and it's only going to get worse in the second half of the season.

The worst part of the game could be that that piece of **** Kunin scored the tying goal. I saw the Jets taking runs at him but that's another situation where we need Buff back. I really miss him.

Dude, we need to be able to move the puck out more then anything. Half our defense is completely incapable of doing that. I’d rather have size and physicality added in the bottom six then leave our D like it is without Niku. We desperately need his skill set. Lack of physicality is not why we’re losing.

 

[Jets 31]

Even Parise said he didn't think it would count post game. He was slightly pushed but also pushed and impeded Helle

Parise actually said that ? UNBELIEVABLE . Good reffing , holey hell .

 

[nobody imp0rtant]

Says it all.
22 acting like ehlers dove. Give me a ****ing break

I'm sure getting a stick in the face smarts but these are pro hockey players who should have a bit of toughness when it comes to pain. There was so much embellishment there I was expecting a yellow card to come out.

Honestly, I'm sick of that shit from Ehlers and I'm sure the refs are, too. With his reputation, is it a surprise maybe he doesn't get these calls? Cry wolf enough times, you will reap what you sow.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

What the ****.

The amount of NON CALLS was absured. I'm sure the homer wild feed was oblivious too.

Not to disagree about the non-calls, but Jets didn't deserve a win for that game. Not sure they deserved a point.

 

[Neuf]

Sorry , that's goaltender interference all day everyday . One thing though , WTF Lowry ? could use some strength on the puck there .

Lowry last year and a half has really not impressed. I don't think he ever recovered from his shoulder injury.

 

[KingBogo]

I try not to lay everything on Maurice but I do believe that the fact that we were playing a divisional foe who plays a heavy game influenced who Maurice elected to put in yesterday.

I do agree that the Buff situation put a wrench into the orgs plans this year but at the end of the day I believe that if you believe Niku is a part of the future you need to have him up playing this year.

Agreed on Niku being part of the future and the need for him to transition to the NHL this season. I think I'm just a little more concerned about usage and fear he gets put in a position where he doesn't succeed. The more I think about I like to see him up against tougher competition with a strong partner, than on the bottom pairing with a partner that can't skate the puck or move it effectively. There then becomes the real chance he struggles and we don't see what he can be.

 

[Duke749]

I'm sure getting a stick in the face smarts but these are pro hockey players who should have a bit of toughness when it comes to pain. There was so much embellishment there I was expecting a yellow card to come out.

Honestly, I'm sick of that **** from Ehlers and I'm sure the refs are, too. With his reputation, is it a surprise maybe he doesn't get these calls? Cry wolf enough times, you will reap what you sow.

This is such a bad hot take I don’t even know what to say.

 

[nobody imp0rtant]

This is such a bad hot take I don’t even know what to say.

If you don't know what to say, why say anything? You disagree that Ehlers is known for embellishing?

 

[Duke749]

If you don't know what to say, why say anything? You disagree that Ehlers is known for embellishing?

Bitteto did the same thing but i don’t see you calling him out. You seem rather selective.

 

[Jet]

Dude, we need to be able to move the puck out more then anything. Half our defense is completely incapable of doing that. I’d rather have size and physicality added in the bottom six then leave our D like it is without Niku. We desperately need his skill set. Lack of physicality is not why we’re losing.

I don't buy that narrative, especially as a 'fix all'.

There are several reasons why the Jets are struggling right now. A big part of it is that we are missing two of our best defensive forwards. Another HUGE part is that we are missing Buff and Kulikov. Besides Buff being fantastic at controlling our zone with possession and exits, and Kulikov being steady defensively and making simple decisions in our zone, they both bring a physical nature that the opposition is aware of. Although the 'new thinking' in the NHL is that being big and physical means nothing, that is obviously wrong and if you could have a frank, unbiased discussion with NHL players they would agree that physicality has a lot of benefits, both in game and systems execution, and psychological.

I am not saying size and physicality bereft of skill and smarts - I am saying you need both.

I have continued to state I would take Niku over Dahlstrom any day. I don't think Dahlstrom uses his size at all, and he is slow both mentally and physically. In that case, Niku's talent and smarts makes him the obvious choice.

However, anyone thinking that having Sami Niku in the lineup is going to make some huge difference to this team right now is fooling themselves. We need size with skill in the lineup, which means Buff and Kulikov

I am so happy Copp is coming back and can only hope that Little is gettting closer to return. That to me will have a measureable positive impact on our team defense.

 

[Jet]

Yes Sawyer is bad and totes the party line, but what he does is pretty much in line with what other teams broadcast teams do, have a listen to the Bruins, Penguins, Red Wings, Ducks, Kings, Islanders and yes even the Leafs crews and it's all pretty much hyping their the team they broadcast, some are more homerish than others, the problem with Sawyer is that generally he is bad what he does.

I preferred Shane Hnidy, to be honest. He wasn't as smart as Sawyer and not as hockey smart, but he was not nearly as biased.

I wish we could kidnap Ray Ferraro.

 

[Jet]

Lowry last year and a half has really not impressed. I don't think he ever recovered from his shoulder injury.

I think his shoulder is effed, and his physicality is a big part of his game.

You see him lay some hits for a spell and then back off. I think he keeps tweaking it. If he loses that ability it might be time to consider moving on from him. I like Lowry a lot but it's like if Ehlers had a serious groin injury that made him as slow as Nic Petan. That would seriously hinder what makes him a special player.

 

[nobody imp0rtant]

Agreed on Niku being part of the future and the need for him to transition to the NHL this season. I think I'm just a little more concerned about usage and fear he gets put in a position where he doesn't succeed. The more I think about I like to see him up against tougher competition with a strong partner, than on the bottom pairing with a partner that can't skate the puck or move it effectively. There then becomes the real chance he struggles and we don't see what he can be.

And the caveats have started. If the much hyped Niku doesn't perform as well as some people are expecting, the problem must be the other guys. In much the same way that Poolman is the root cause of Morrissey's blunders. I seem to recall some negative comments about Niku's defensive play with the Moose. You think that will get better with the Jets? Well, who knows? Maybe all the boy needs is his minimum daily requirement of Vitamin Mo with a heapin' helpin' o' Huddy added in. For now, I will as expected keep my expectations low.

 

[Ggg99]

why would anyone say , well the Jets played like crap so they deserved to lose .

Because it's true. You don't get outplayed and out shot like that and win many games unless your goalie plays out of his mind. And Helly did and almost pulled it out for us.
Except for that BS call in OT.
Damn. It's either bad bounces or the refs.
Can't be the atrocious D, lack of secondary scoring, the system or heaven forbid the coaching.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

LOL @ the title, I am guessing the fans were pumped up to a frenzy by a Sawyer homer call? I avoided TSN and saw the game for what it was. This was as thoroughly deserved as loss as you would see in the NHL. The only outcome that would have been more just considering the Jets play esp in that 3rd was if the Wild had won in regulation. Did not deserve 2 points, didn't even deserve 1 point. Wild treated them like the dirt on their boots and they didn't prove them otherwise.

Poolman and Morrissey pairing has got to go.

Laine's backcheck on that 1st goal is the kind of play that gets a star player benched or healthy scratched to send a message.

Not that I disagree - but the non-calls were brutal.

 

[nobody imp0rtant]

Bitteto did the same thing but i don’t see you calling him out. You seem rather selective.

I didn't see Bitetto do it so we can start with that. I don't like diving from any player. And I will be more critical of the ones that do it on a semi-regular basis. In the same way that I will be critical of all dirty plays, but more critical of players who play dirty on a semi-regular basis.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I know people don't like the "prevent defence" when it doesn't work. Let me ask you this.

We're up by 1 with 10 minutes left. A goal for Minnesota is worth to them about, what.. 6 times what an insurance goal would be worth for us? Heck, even taking two minutes off the clock is probably worth about as much as an insurance goal would be for us. The team absolutely should be playing defence first, and noticeably playing defence first.

We could have been playing them exactly even in a tied game, and a blown non call leading to a defensive zone collapse giving a player a choice shot from 5 feet out can easily still happen. In fact if anything, the way Minnesota scored the goal just makes the opposite argument -- we failed in our efforts to put defence first.

Sometimes the other team gets lucky. Officiating randomness is just as much a part of the game as the zamboni and the overpriced beer. One can and should be zen about it, but one should never feel that it's "unmanly" or whatever to estimate the impact that it had.

Besides, look on the bright side -- we have something to blackmail Sawyer off the air with. Isn't that worth a point in the standings, in the long run?

Were they playing defence first? It didn't look like they were playing defence at all. And they sure were not playing offense.

Should a team try to sit on a 1 goal lead when there is still that much time left? Usually, I would say no. Maybe for a team that is very good defensively. Should a team that is as weak as the Jets do it? Clearly, no. Should the Jets ever do it? Doesn't look like it.

The best defence is a good offense, or puck possession, or just keeping the puck out of the D zone. The worst defense is to just keep giving the puck to the other team and let them shoot at your goalie. That last is what the Jets did.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Morrissey being on the receiving end of a questionable hit did not lead to that goal. The puck was cleared from the Jets zone all the way to the Wild zone. Morrissey went to the benched and changed. The Wild lugged carried the puck through the neutral zone and then took the o-zone, both d-we back in the zone.

Pushing a player into your goalie is not goalie interference. Good goal. I would have wanted that to stand if the Jets had scored it.

Yeah, except that the Wild should have been killing a penalty by then.

Player was not pushed into goalie. Just wasn't.

Jets sucked. Refs sucked more.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Atta boy Maurice. "Not getting one dime out of me"....good on him for saying it how it is

But that kind'a did, no?

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Very good Laine last game. Awful Laine today. Hopefully he becomes more consistent as he matures

Other than the play on the first goal, I wouldn't say he was "awful". Sure not the same player as the previous game though.

I thought sure he would score to make up for that bad first play. Not this time.

 

[Whileee]

And the caveats have started. If the much hyped Niku doesn't perform as well as some people are expecting, the problem must be the other guys. In much the same way that Poolman is the root cause of Morrissey's blunders. I seem to recall some negative comments about Niku's defensive play with the Moose. You think that will get better with the Jets? Well, who knows? Maybe all the boy needs is his minimum daily requirement of Vitamin Mo with a heapin' helpin' o' Huddy added in. For now, I will as expected keep my expectations low.

I'm not ready to blame Poolman entirely for Morrissey's ineffective play this season. He's not played as well as he can or should. He would likely be more effective with a better partner, but he is playing much more passively than he did when he was effective the past two seasons. He doesn't seem like the same player since coming back from that collar bone fracture.